Topic: WINZ.IO refusing to pay 1618 ADA($580) in winnings UNRESOLVED - page 2. (Read 628 times)

For there rep. Please have your team verify the documents with Nigerian indentity commission, you can contact them here https://nimc.gov.ng/contact/

It seems I think your team is just unfamiliar with Nigeria or how it works

Dear Azolike,

After a thorough investigation, our verification team has determined that the new ID card you submitted is a forged document. The fonts and QR code do not match legitimate standards, and the document is a reworked version of a previously rejected document.

As previously stated, your account is permanently closed due to a violation of Section P.10 of our Anti-Fraud Policy, as outlined in our terms and conditions available at https://winz.io/terms-and-conditions. This is a clear breach of our policies.

As an exception, we have returned your deposit, but all winnings have been confiscated. This decision is final and non-negotiable.

Any further attempts to contact us regarding this matter will not change the outcome.

Best wishes,
Winz.io Team


Their response. I’d advise their representative to contact support and tell them to confirm the document with the Nigerian Indentity management commission. As they clear don’t know how Nigeria works. You go to the government offices and have the card printed.

I really do not know what to do at this point seems my only option is getting my passport which is gonna cost me $100 to get and take sometime for me to get. Changing title to unresolved, maybe their rep can manually resolve this

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I have just completed the reprint of my ID at the NIMC and sent it over. This reprint is clear and if they need further verification they can request my data from Nigeria
identity management commission.

I am now waiting for a response. This process has been very stressful and inconvenient. The office for the reprint is far from where I live, and I had to pay for the reprint. I am not concerned about compensation; I just want my winnings, as it is a significant amount of money here in Nigeria.

IMO, compensation [in any form] would be nice, but it should not be a mandatory thing. If the casino provides it [and many did, voluntarily] that's good. If they didn't, then it shouldn't be a big matter worth prolonging an otherwise worth-resolved case.

It won't be fair to held the case as unresolved [not to mention leaving them a negative tag] although they've returned the player's rights and complete their obligation, will it?

Perhaps my opinion is clouded by the previous demand of compensation that I've witnessed on past cases, and the fear that --upon being encouraged-- the OP will replicate the same demands, about how greedy the demands could be. But I doubt it is. Even without those past cases on my mind, I think I'll still think that a case should be marked as resolved when both party prove and satisfied with each of their side, and fulfilled their obligation. Compensation is just a bonus.

If you deemed that a suitable compensation is needed and if not offered it will warrant the casino a negative feedback, then I can assure you that it's completely your right to implement the decision. That's how this forum and its decentralized nature intended to work: no one can dictate what you may or may not do. That's how the trust system intended to be: anyone can leave feedback.

An honestly friendly warning, though, just remember that it's your business card.

If suitable compensation is not offered, I will be compelled to leave negative feedback.

In your opinion, is compensation not warranted in this situation? Should we simply hope for fair payouts and refrain from criticism for fear of retaliation? I believe it's time to establish a precedent for fair treatment.

To be sure I understand you correctly as well as predicting in what direction this thread goes suppose OP listened to the advise, what exactly do you suggest to be OP's course of action suppose OP manages to clear his KYC issue, the casino releases his entire fund, but they don't add anything extra to compensate his lost time and the hardship? Should the thread not be marked as resolved because OP only gets his fund but not with some kind of compensation, thus it's still unresolved?

Players are not at the casino's sole discretion. Both players and casinos have established rights, and a balance needs to be struck between them. In this instance, the original poster (OP) has endured mental and physical hardship (having to obtain a new ID from a government office). This should not be disregarded. A less defensive approach is warranted. Players deserve respect and should be treated accordingly.

When a compensation is added to the amount being payable to a player, it's usually from the casino's initiative, a gesture of their good will. Previous cases [and it happened on several occasions] where players requested for it themselves, it's unfortunately casted a negative impression on the player.

I'll say, let's just focus on having the entire amount dued to Wingax first, and if the casino added some bonus, be it in form of free spin or credits with no wager requirements, then it'll be nice. But if they don't add any extra, it'll be better to leave it that way.

The information currently available suggests that OP has acted appropriately. His willingness to submit documents for third-party verification further demonstrates his credibility.
Even if WINZ.IO allows OP to withdraw his rightful winnings, the compensation for the mental strain and effort taken to bring this issue to light remains unresolved.
I strongly recommend that OP seek compensation if the casino is found to be at fault.

Please keep in mind, I made a raw crypto deposit, and my winnings were confiscated without any real reason given. All my follow-up emails asking why or how were ignored, and I wasn’t given the opportunity to upload documents again initially. That said, I do believe you’re right with your theory. These NIN cards are a newer form of identification here in Nigeria the older cards are now outdated, and their management might just be unaware of it. Here is a picture of my stake account being verified with the exact same document, so I had no reason to believe I wouldn’t be able to KYC my account. To be honest, I’ve never run into this issue before. I do have a new NIN card coming today, and it should be crystal clear. I hope it works and they accept it.

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From reading this thread it seems like this could have been what has happened.

First, id like to point out, from my own experiences, online casinos tend to do this often. If you verify the account before winning, the process is easy. if your account won a nice amount, it becomes the most complicated process in the world. And it's obvious why it's done this way, esp since a lot of sites will allow you to bet your funds while they stall the process. i don't think there's anything too bad about this.

My advice would be to do the kyc before depositing, or to not do it at all, it seems like you did the worst possible thing to get flagged.


Anyway, this is what it seems like happened from what i've read.

"Funny how their automated kyc system never suspected fraud on my ID which I assume they have in place for fraud detection"
It didn't suspect it, but with the error it triggered it for manual inspection.

It seems the slips are newer and less common than the cards, and the cards are generally accepted as the official document. So i think that could be the confusion. esp since it seems the slips are more convenient and easier to obtain since you had that and not the card... it's probably low quality print on paper. Like you said, the system wouldn't have detected this, but the person doing it manually probably isn't from your country, handles documents from a lot of different countries based off of references for "official" formats.  Imagine this scenario, i'm of legal age, i use my library card "alternative" form of id, to buy beer. the cashier "would" have let me buy it, but i announced they were accepting these as proof (the way you initiated the kyc) so now the cashier has legal liabilities, if he accepts the poorly made library card which can be easily faked, he's responsible. if the 3rd party automated system accepted it, they would be. If they accepted the official document while following the guidelines, these people are trained spot, then they wouldn't be.  Even if it's generally accepted as an official id in Nigeria, i can understand where they're coming from with the liabilities.

I doubt the department that handles it is aware about slips/cards
And i don't think a selfie with the slip would make a difference. and it really is a "security issue" for them to explain or prove "why" they think it's forged... which also prevents them from defending against the allegations at the same time, but i think it's also the cause for confusion.  Mixed reasons (suspicious activity is an umbrella term for forged) but again, i can see the confusion, then offering to refund the initial deposit, I do think the customer service could have done a better job explaining the steps to get what ever needed that would be acceptable identification, even if they're not from that country.  It seems they were quick to close the account and offer a refund instead of trying to resolve it. i would immediately think scam too. if anything they should have disabled withdrawals and requested more documents.



I feel pretty certain that they will approve it when you get the "card", their reputation is worth more than $580, and i also think you should have waited and submitted the card before creating an accusation thread.

Actually, I initially thought that the problem was with your banking document, it was after reading your pictures that I have to revise my theory, that the one they found to be suspicious was your ID, as they're talking about non-original layout and QR code [that, IIRC, once scanned with QR reader, will give us basically a text format of the content of the ID]




You can do that if you want to, but that won't be much help. Mods don't meddle with scam accusations, thus they won't likely verify and vouch for you. Uploading them here would also be not quite helpful.

The best course to do right now without having to have further headache or a risk of privacy being compromised from your side is perhaps to do like what I asked --which actually the point and which you seemingly misunderstood-- on above post, to upload both ID if they allow it, or to ask them to clarify which ID do they require as it's the one that have "the right layout".

Rest assured that we're following this thread closely.

https://ibb.co/9NW5Kcd

This is there new reason for confiscation and closing the account which simply isn’t true. I did not upload any fraudulent documents. They're claiming my ID card is fraudulent. Funny how their automated kyc system never suspected fraud on my ID which I assume they have in place for fraud detection, but their manual human review says fraud 😂. It’s my legitimate government issued NIN card how can it be fraud? Please provide proof. Do I have permission to upload the documents I’ve sent winz.io to a mod here for more transparency or to verify?? Or I could upload the ID card but block out my name, NIN and dob if that helps

You got this wrong. Please reread my post and review the pictures. They closed my account and confiscated my funds without informing me to re-upload my ID. Initially, they cited “suspicious activity,” and never even gave the chance to reupload any documents, but after I started this thread and contacted their representative, they changed the reasoning to needing a re-upload of my ID.

Originally I had no issues verifying my ID through their automated system; the problem was with the bank statement/address verification.

Regarding Nigerian forms of indentification, it used to be different, but now everyone has the NIN slip card, which serves both purposes. I uploaded my NIN slip card, and Winz didn’t specify any specific forms of identification besides drivers license or passport. Honestly, I don’t think they even know the Nigerian forms of ID, as they’re saying my document is fraudulent when it is not.

I’ve ordered a brand new card today, which I will receive tomorrow, and I will re-upload it then. This case has been handled poorly by both winz.io and their rep. I don’t need to say anything else, people can see everything posted here and make their own conclusions about the casino

I would suggest you to not make the withdrawal for the time being. Not sure if this what would happen as the "clause" on their email didn't state this, but most likely than not on many past cases, requesting for initial deposit withdrawal will be perceived that you'll settle for the fund and accepted that the rest of the accumulated bonus to be voided. I'd suggest you to attempt to clear your status first, while at the same time also not touching any of the balance on your account. Be it for withdrawal or to bet.

Moving to your documents, I happened to have a privilege of being brushed with how govt. issued ID works on Nigeria from past case ^{[which reminds me... I need to ask for an update for that one]}, but correct me if I am nonetheless wrong:

Nigerian govt. provides two forms of acceptable documents, NIN and NIN slip card [which basically act as a proxy to the card]. Both documents coexist and valid as a govt. issued documents, but they have a slight different format,



Did you perhaps uploaded your NIN Slip to Winz when they require the other NIN card [the govt. card]? Perhaps you should upload both of the ID if that's possible, so they can cross-check everything themselves. And if that's not possible, ask them to specify which card they require you to use for verification purpose, and stick with it.

The ID card I used is my Nigerian NIN identity card which is government issued, which I’ve used to verify at Stake and Roobet before without any issues. It also verified fine through Winz.io's automated system.

Here is the update Winz.io provided me (see attached). They’re accusing my ID of being forged, which doesn’t make any sense and isn’t what they originally claimed. They originally said “suspicious activity”. The ID card was originally accepted by their verification system which detects fraud. So I don’t understand how they’re now claiming it’s forged. My ID card also has my NIN on it, which is the SSN for Nigeria.

I replied with a selfie holding my ID, another bank statement, and my school certificate which also has my photo. For further verification. They said they don’t accept these documents and accused me of voluntarily using a forged document for KYC so it’s my fault, which is absurd. Why would I voluntarily try to KYC with a forged document? I only KYC’d before depositing to avoid these issues. I’ve never had any issues doing KYC with my ID card at other casinos.

The ID is issued by the government of Nigeria, and I asked Winz.io to provide proof that it’s forged, but they haven’t replied. Because of this, I went to the government offices today and paid for a new ID, which I will have in 24 hours.

I don’t know what else to do at this point. I don’t have a passport, as passports are only needed for those who leave the country.

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https://ibb.co/9NW5Kcd

It doesn't have a thing to do with the violation of the anti-fraud policies ... For a fact, KYC verifications normally requires a little time for the casinos to conduct a review before responding with an email in affirmation or something... So maybe they thought he uploaded fake documents? I'm just trying to understand the whole situation.
let's assume the wallet wasn't already funded, would your team perform the same level of scrutiny? The accusations doesn't even match your response in any case.

Umm... correct me if I'm wrong, but the situation here was that you can't verify the authenticity of one of OP's documents [I'll strongly assume it's the bank statement], and you immediately lock his account under the accusation of suspicious activity instead of allowing him to re-upload the document? Though your team has assured OP that they'll re-enable the process?

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OP, I didn't mean to be nosy, but do you mind to share the email here, for the sole purpose of transparency and a better understanding of the situation?

Hello,

Our support team has sent you an email explaining the situation regarding your account. It appears there was an issue with one of the documents you provided.

Please review the instructions in the email and resend the required documents. This will allow our support team to conduct another review of your account.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.