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Quote from: paxmao on November 09, 2021, 06:52:43 AM

This is about the Tang Ping movement in China and the effects of motivation in the economy. China, with their tracking of "good citizens" behaviour, is including things like boycotts to certain brands or certain uses of games and technology. The Tang Ping document means literally "lay down", and is a call to reject the massive pressure from the state, low wages and poor conditions.

China may be taking it too far.

I am really yet to understand what the TangPing movement is all about in China, but if it’s for the good and if the young people there are really doing it just because there is a situation which they feel is not comfortable for them and is disturbing them, then they have to do it as long as it’s for the rights. Things are always like that for lots of youths in other countries, and it is worst in countries where youths are unable to speak up for themselves and protest to be able to get what they want.

And I think this is time for the youths to arise and whenever they feel that the government or any community is doing something the wrong way, then they have to fight for what is right by protesting peacefully.

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Quote from: so98nn on November 10, 2021, 12:22:33 AM

China would be listed as first country in the world who made the perfect Human-Machines in the history of man kind. The small % of dictators run the country, rest of the population is just working to make their way to two times of meal. The work hours put forth by them is profitable for the owners only. This is also one of the reason why china is able to manufacture everything at the cheapest rates possible. All they do is hire thousands of peeps under one roof, on low wedges and without a meal too. Thats the grim reality behind the same.

Laying down, well; as human the chinese peeps should not be treated like that. They are literally loosing the right to "Choose" and would be making the upcoming generation as robotic army who works and works without desires to fulfil their own dreams.

Don't you think the "low wages" may be one of the strategy to keep prices of things cheap? High wages could be one of the reasons certain companies are pushing hard to replace humans with robots... . It's better to have humans work hard & quickly and get reasonable pay than have robots take over their jobs.
I think you could have a mechanism where employers pay workers what they can without pushing the cost to consumers, while the extra/remaining payments come from the system/govt and automatically paid to hardworking workers to augment their income so that things can remain cheap and people can afford all their basic needs. Better than telling people to sit at home and get paid for doing nothing because robots have taken over their jobs.

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Maybe this is just a movement that is true during a pandemic, people work at home and finally feel that this habit has become a new activity. For young people in China, it is quite unfortunate, because Chinese education prioritizes the generation of political successors that it still adheres to. While in China political system being lazy is not a must, there are many things that must be pursued and many things are at stake. A system will be useless if the young people have the principle of upholding the height of the modern era which prioritizes freedom. Rather than maintain a rigid political system.

But behind the actions of their new lifestyle will it have an impact on China economic growth going forward? I don't think so, this is only temporary, and they will return to the Chinese government's regulatory system.

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Quote from: Hydrogen on November 09, 2021, 06:53:32 PM

Soldiers of Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan were rewarded with spoils of war. Today there is no similar incentive for the working class to pitch in. Wealth and favor do not trickle down. Naturally we should expect movements like laying down to emerge.

Why did you have to go that far back in history?
The morons that followed Stalin, Mao, Chavez also got their spoils of war with the state robbing the previous owners and giving it to their army of useful idiots.
And there was nothing left to pillage, the whole farce went down.

Quote from: yananda on November 09, 2021, 09:37:52 PM

in the modern era, everyone has the right to demand freedom and not like in the past when forced labor was rampant

Yeah, and also I have the right to pay you a penny if you want to work only a minute a month. But this social begging movement has no chance in China, fortunately enough there are still a lot of poeple and countries which will not fall for this new trend, Europe and the US have nearly destroyed their economy and manufacturing segment with stupid ideas like this, rather than making cities more affordable with their social and environmental policies have managed to turn them completely the opposite.

Quote from: el kaka22 on November 10, 2021, 09:36:59 AM

China has taken it too for long time ago. There is no democratic elections there and the president becomes a president for life. The moment you take the option away from people even if you make your nation a great place, then you are a dictator and that is taking it too far.

Let's compare the number of years in which China was ruled by a democratically elected government or president and the one ruled by a dictator or emperor...
With that ratio, you'd think they would be having it pretty bad but in reality, a lot of democracies are doing right now far worse than China.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 09, 2021, 06:52:43 AM

is including things like boycotts to certain brands or certain uses of games and technology. The Tang Ping document means literally "lay down", and is a call to reject the massive pressure from the state, low wages and poor conditions.

For a moment I think this is same way as a strike action that workers do to demand better service of work and wages for their labour . This is the pursue for things not right on the part of government and if the Chinese people have been making a strong statement about their affairs and welfare to their government then it is a waken call for good governance because any government no matter how good it appears need the masses agitation to serve better. Laying down tools for work will push a conscience message to the Chinese government on better ways to reach out to the people. Meanwhile, as a Communist society, I think laying down of tools is rather a new introduction to such system. This means a kind of liberation and freedom from the feudal lords and government sort of. The changes in the globe against neocolonialism is what we are with witnessing there.

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Quote from: paxmao on November 09, 2021, 06:52:43 AM

This is about the Tang Ping movement in China and the effects of motivation in the economy. China, with their tracking of "good citizens" behaviour, is including things like boycotts to certain brands or certain uses of games and technology. The Tang Ping document means literally "lay down", and is a call to reject the massive pressure from the state, low wages and poor conditions.

China may be taking it too far.

China may be communism in papers but what they are doing is nothing of that sort, they actually are going more towards dictatorship and that too even worse, I do think doing this is not only taking the freedom away from people but it's also something that is going to force them to do things that they would not wanna do. Some people might have a clear cut idea of what the government wants and obviously the others will follow, which would make the whole thing a disaster, those people would be nothing but robots. Hopefully in few years they would not end up like North Korea. This is disastrous hands down, people do need to oppose what the government is doing or they would just increase these measures, what would be next then ? Installing cameras in everyone's houses?

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China has taken it too for long time ago. There is no democratic elections there and the president becomes a president for life. The moment you take the option away from people even if you make your nation a great place, then you are a dictator and that is taking it too far. I rather have the option and possibility of a bad person getting elected then have the forced good president.

I know it may sound silly to some people, but honestly the fact that Trump was elected is a great thing about democracy, it shows that even the unwanted could become wanted and yes I hate him but I support his right to be elected because that's democracy. He turned out to not like democracy so much when he lost, but still he had to abide the rules and got out when he lost. All in all I rather have someone like Trump being able to get elected then the best president there is staying in power forever.

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This sounds more like laziness to me and I have seen it in all countries to be honest with you. In fact this sounds a lot like hippie culture in the west to me. A lazy ass group of people who don't want to make any effort and are satisfied with doing bare minimum work necessary to "stay alive".
Fun fact, back in the 60s hippies claimed they were protesting the government too Cheesy

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This is the same thing with Japan actually where people only sleep for 4 hours a day and then back to work. The reason is that big cities just have a high cost of living.
Same with China, the cost of living in Shenzen or in Beijing is also high. I don't think the Chinese government will interfere with what their young people are doing if they wanted to quit thier job and just want to lie down because they can't go up the corporate world.

This is also happening USA where employees are resigning. They do have a different situation though since the government is giving away money for peple who don't work through the stimulus package.

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Quote from: yananda on November 09, 2021, 09:37:52 PM

in the modern era, everyone has the right to demand freedom and not like in the past when forced labor was rampant
maybe the little people think that justice has been taken for them by the authorities, therefore to demand justice there must be a peaceful action

What type of peaceful action you are expecting from CCP? They have been ruling the country from long time in the democratic dictatorship which is even worse and people have no rights at all and they all are stick in the books and in actual life the humans are not treated equally.The country who doesn't allow media to potray themselves as negative,ban social media so that people cannot share their thoughts and become friendly with each other,kick out the miners as Bitcoin is freedom of funds what type of justice we are referring to them? They will always come up with the policies like that to make profits for themselves and fill the government treasuries without thinking of the population and it's not new.The assembling units are setup there due to cheap labour but now they are putting more pressure to work more at reduced cost is beyond limits and people have no authority over their decision and it's all influenced by the government and they are just puppets in their hands.

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China would be listed as first country in the world who made the perfect Human-Machines in the history of man kind. The small % of dictators run the country, rest of the population is just working to make their way to two times of meal. The work hours put forth by them is profitable for the owners only. This is also one of the reason why china is able to manufacture everything at the cheapest rates possible. All they do is hire thousands of peeps under one roof, on low wedges and without a meal too. Thats the grim reality behind the same.

Laying down, well; as human the chinese peeps should not be treated like that. They are literally loosing the right to "Choose" and would be making the upcoming generation as robotic army who works and works without desires to fulfil their own dreams.

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China has a very rigid political system. Authorities try to control all sphere of people life. That it the reason why they ban crypto. Cryptocurrencies can't be regulated, so they just ban it and want to replace by creating their own digital Yuan that will be completely under the control so there will be no difference between it and just non-cash Yaun on a bank account.

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in the modern era, everyone has the right to demand freedom and not like in the past when forced labor was rampant
maybe the little people think that justice has been taken for them by the authorities, therefore to demand justice there must be a peaceful action

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A young chinese sleeping on the streets in a sleeping bag. Doing barely enough work to eat, pay bills and survive was the poster boy I saw for the laying down movement. It seems like a form of peaceful protest.

China demands workers put in more hours for lower wages and declining living conditions. To fuel china's economy, so it can achieve its political aspirations. There may not be a bright future in sight for most chinese. If china wins, they gain nothing. If china loses, perhaps they have hope for positive change. Which causes them to side with the latter, rather than the former. Through basic necessity.

Soldiers of Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan were rewarded with spoils of war. Today there is no similar incentive for the working class to pitch in. Wealth and favor do not trickle down. Naturally we should expect movements like laying down to emerge.

Laying down has also found its way into the united states. Where many businesses have trouble finding employees. There isn't much coverage of it. But I think the motives behind america's laying down movement are a bit different.

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I tend to think that working will be much easy if we do what we love that is good and beneficial to society. You would be more worried when such work is taken away from you than not getting big pay. I however strongly believe that everyone should be paid sufficiently enough to take care of their basic needs. They should be paid what they deserve to be paid. No overpayment or underpayment.

Rest comes after working hard. Work until you are exhausted, then take a break and rest.

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This is about a trend that is becoming widespread in China as a new style among young people in society and is considered a good habit for them to make a tradition.
Meanwhile, on the other hand, we know the characteristics of the Chinese people who are persistent in carrying out every aspect of work, discipline, time consistency and always prioritize work professionalism. Is this the impact of the prolonged after the pandemic?
Some have argued that this is a form of movement to criticize the world work ethic which continues to prioritize input, but does not think about resources to be more productive.
For the Chinese government, this lifestyle change is a threat where people's productivity is feared to decline. How can the Chinese government be known for its disciplined performance and today they have to face a movement that is considered a form of resistance.

From the brief information I read https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57348406 this as listed is just for self reflection and trying to find alternative brain cooling
The idea behind "tang ping" - not overworking, being content with more attainable achievements and allowing time to unwind - has been praised by many and inspired numerous memes. It has been described as a spiritual movement.

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This is about the Tang Ping movement in China and the effects of motivation in the economy. China, with their tracking of "good citizens" behaviour, is including things like boycotts to certain brands or certain uses of games and technology. The Tang Ping document means literally "lay down", and is a call to reject the massive pressure from the state, low wages and poor conditions.

China may be taking it too far.

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