Topic: WITHDRAWN - page 2. (Read 5249 times)
Claim withdrawn.
No one here is getting this. I Closed my loan service. I AM NOT CONCERNED WITH ACCOUNTS AS COLLATERAL. I am concerned with a default trust member who is abusing the system. I am concerned with a default trust member who lies on trust, proven in this thread a number of times, from his own statements. I am concerned with a default trust member who openly get caught in their own lies and are still considered default trust. I am concerned with a proven liar being a staff member in one of the most used, if not the most used bitcoin forum, a forum where new bitcoin users come to learn about bitcoin. I am concerned that we have a staff member with default trust rating who has the ability to perpetrate a fraud because he is a proven liar and has the power and trust to get people to believe. If this does not concern you and other members, there is something seriously wrong, which will contribute to the fall of Bitcoin should it ever go down. What kind of trust does this show new forum members??
Could you please tell me how to find those who has Lauda in their DT? I am sorry, I still do not know everything and I use this forum to learn. I just do not want to see it be un-trusted because people like Lauda are permitted to do what they do. We need to bring more bitcoin users in, not let people like him scare them away. Thank you for the help in advance.
Normally I would have flew into my normal internet rage and labelled you as an account-dealing SCUNT, but I happen to think you're trustworthy otherwise and used a modicum of restraint. Not that it would matter much anyway, my trust feedbacks do not carry any more weight than those fools who, with mouths a-blazing, retardiated their venom all over my own trust page. Sucks to be painted by DT but life will go on for all of us.
Could you please tell me how to find those who has Lauda in their DT? I am sorry, I still do not know everything and I use this forum to learn. I just do not want to see it be un-trusted because people like Lauda are permitted to do what they do.
I'll help you out here: Blazed, the same person that I asked to review this thread before I tagged you. I also thank you for correcting me regarding the legality, changed the rating to libel.We need to bring more bitcoin users in, not let people like him scare them away. Thank you for the help in advance.
If you mean scare away shady individuals and scammers, then you're right.
Claim withdrawn.
You also stated that you do not know why they were left.
You seem really confused here, let me clarify some stuff. First of, I know why I left the rating, and it is clearly stated in the feedback:You say this, yet you put in the initial feedback - Signature Spammer & Farmed account + defaulted on a loan.
This is not about YOUR loan, but a loan that the account defaulted back in 2015. Besides, that was not even the main reason behind the rating as it's clearly stated with "+ defaulted on a loan". I updated the trust rating and added proper reference in case that you're still confused.I want you out of the Default Trust position. You are a proven liar and all liars have a great chance to become a scammer.
No, I am not. If anything, you are proven to be either very confused or delusional.People like you disgust me.
How kind of you.Again, I ask you to try to get your point out in a few sentences. Those walls of text are redundant and won't make you seem like you have a good argument.
I mean, is it not obvious that accounts such as myself, Lutpin, Vod and others are all just pawns in Lauda's master plan to take over the forum and scam for hundreds of BTC?
Shh my perfect plan is coming all together slowly. 
Put this thought in your head. Lauda has left 64 negative trusts in the last 23 days of being registered. The 1 & 1/2 years before that he left 1 negative trust. He has left more trust in the last 23 days than he has positive and negative together in the pass years he has been a member. Now put this swing on this. He is a trusted default member placing feedback for others that are unfounded. What if he starts placing positive feedback for members of which he owns the accounts? Unless he made a mistake and it is posted somewhere on this forum, no one will know. Others may trust his positive feedback because he is a default trust member, allowing him to scam with his other account(s) and dip out. It is that simple. If his negative feedback can not be proven, what is saying his positive ones are not just there for the purpose of setting up a scam???
Ah yeah, you're right. It makes absolutely no sense that someone would start giving out more trust feedbacks once they become trusted by default, meaning that people actually see and care about said feedback.You're also right about Lauda only leaving positive trust to their alts. I mean, is it not obvious that accounts such as myself, Lutpin, Vod and others are all just pawns in Lauda's master plan to take over the forum and scam for hundreds of BTC? I'm amazed that you're the first one to notice. I mean, there is even blockchain evidence of obvious bribery going on!
because there is no order in this forum when a default trust member can abuse the system.
Lauda sees account sales as untrustworthy, which they are. You partake in account sales, therefore they see you as untrustworthy and mark you as such. Doing so is not abuse, it is using the trust system as it is intended.If you don't want this to happen there is a simple solution - stop doing account sales. Ask for collateral in your loans which won't make you look untrustworthy to accept. If not for that reason, then simply because accepting accounts as collateral is stupid anyway. The way that anyone can (rightfully) make the collateral worthless in a few clicks surely makes it obvious that it is a stupid thing to accept in the case of a defaulted loan.
Those accounts did not engage in selling accounts, because they were not selling themselves, I was selling them through a third party.
Were the accounts being sold? Yes? Therefore, it is account selling. It's not difficult to understand.
Again:
Trust is not moderated except in cases of extreme abuse.
The options you have are:
1. Accept it and stop accepting accounts as collateral.
2. Keep accepting accounts as collateral but keep it to yourself when they default. ( If found, they will still be marked.)
3. Keep posting useless threads about it
4. Petition those that have Lauda in their WOT to remove him.
Many here see sold/bought accounts as a scourge to the community and see no problem identifying them as such. Although it is allowed, that does not mean the community will accept it.
I have also marked defaulted collateralized accounts with a Negative and will not remove them as I believe the community has a right to know with whom they are trading with. I did not do this to harm the lender but to protect those who would deal with them.
Keep in mind: You have no right to make a living here and you myself and others trade at Theymos whim. He could pull the plug at any time.
Trust can be left for anything or for nothing at all, Positive, Neutral or Negative. If it is inaccurate, it will dilute the leavers credibility and if not corrected will render this persons credibility as useless.
This being said, nothing is/will come of this "tit for tat" as both party's think they are right. I would advise locking this thread and moving on. Once things cool off, maybe an agreement can be reached in PM.
This being said, nothing is/will come of this "tit for tat" as both party's think they are right. I would advise locking this thread and moving on. Once things cool off, maybe an agreement can be reached in PM.
Trust is not moderated except in cases of extreme abuse.
The options you have are:
1. Accept it and stop accepting accounts as collateral.
2. Keep accepting accounts as collateral but keep it to yourself when they default. ( If found, they will still be marked.)
3. Keep posting useless threads about it
4. Petition those that have Lauda in their WOT to remove him.
Many here see sold/bought accounts as a scourge to the community and see no problem identifying them as such. Although it is allowed, that does not mean the community will accept it.
I have also marked defaulted collateralized accounts with a Negative and will not remove them as I believe the community has a right to know with whom they are trading with. I did not do this to harm the lender but to protect those who would deal with them.
Keep in mind: You have no right to make a living here and you myself and others trade at Theymos whim. He could pull the plug at any time.
Claim withdrawn.
Claim withdrawn.
If you actually read through my posts, you would see that I have provided reasonable proof that my claims are reasonable.
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All you did was provide walls of useless text. As I have stated previously:-snip-
1) I do not know what accounts you interacted with.
2) I do not target accounts that are collateral.
3) The primary targets are spammers, account farmers, alts (abusers) and account traders.
Next these accounts were not used for account sales, they were being sold. Just like your false feedback, you do not know how to properly state true facts, do you.
So selling accounts = not engaging in account sales 
I may be incorrect about this, for I don't understand the levels of trust. You are correct that all of the feedback are from un-trusted members.
DT1 members are trusted by theymos, and DT2 members are those that are in the trust list of DT1 members. DT1 and DT2 are trusted by default.However, I am seeing that BG4 is a level 3 Default trust member, if I am seeing this correctly and this is the feedback he left you:
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DT3 and further is deemed as untrusted, hence not visible by default. The BG4 situation is a whole other personal issue of a manufacturer unable to control their tantrum, with no relevance to this. Also the situation with defcon, and the chatlogs from a private chat is called poisoning the well fallacy. All those personal disputes were resolved, and I was not wrong in either one of them. This seems to be turning into a 'sling mud at Lauda' thread.-snip-
f you are not even sure of this information, how can anyone trust your opinion and statements? Every other default member can tell me about the feedback they left a member when I question the feedback before giving a loan. Why can't you?? But the community is supposed to trust your statements.
Do you have some comprehension problems? I have not left those accounts ratings due to any loans.What difference does it matter which accounts were mine.
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How about you stop writing useless walls of text, and get to the point in 2-3 sentences? What is it that you want from this thread now? I have clearly stated several times that the ratings were not left because they are collateral. -snip-
Claim withdrawn.
Claim withdrawn.
Trust can be left for anything or for nothing at all, Positive, Neutral or Negative. If it is inaccurate, it will dilute the leavers credibility and if not corrected will render this persons credibility as useless.
This being said, nothing is/will come of this "tit for tat" as both party's think they are right. I would advise locking this thread and moving on. Once things cool off, maybe an agreement can be reached in PM.
This being said, nothing is/will come of this "tit for tat" as both party's think they are right. I would advise locking this thread and moving on. Once things cool off, maybe an agreement can be reached in PM.
Claim withdrawn.
Your claim of calumny would be correct if you could prove that my statements were false. Because you have yet to even try to prove my claims were false, your claim of calumny has no standing anywhere.
No. It is you, who has to prove your alleged claims (something which you did not do).After some additional digging, I see that one of the feedback you left was on an account you inquired about purchasing from another member but were turned down for a low offer. Smells fishy to me! I can not prove this, so it is just hearsay at this time. I have messaged the member to give me proof so we can dig deeper into you.
Another member committing felonies via defamatory statements? I can't wait to get more *details* about these fantasies...showing you have spent countless minutes bashing me and wining about it all on here..
I did no such thing...instead of taking 5 minutes to show proof your feedback is accurate or that you have good reason to leave it. I think you will not show proof because you have no proof to show.
I do not have to prove anything as the proof is in the post history on said accounts. Besides, even if they were not used for spamming, they are still used for account sales (diff. reason, same consequence).Other trusted members are even agreeing with me, check your feedback.
What other "trusted members"? All the negative ratings on me are from untrusted members which have been exposed in one way or another.At this point I'm not even sure:
1) Which accounts are/were yours.
2) Where the loans took place.
Claim withdrawn.
Please explain your feedback with no references and provide reference or proof that such feedback is true.
It is obvious that you do not understand the trust system and should read up on it. You do not have to leave any kind of references if you do not want to (e.g. "I do not trust X because of Y" is sufficient). I have updated those ratings now, as the accounts engage in trust abuse. After consulting with others, I have left you a negative rating due to the act of calumny which is illegal (I've given you more than enough time). If you choose to rewrite it in a way which is not misleading, I will remove it.
Reported.
They have edited the post in the meanwhile. 
2. I have not logged into nothing and started leaving you negative feedback.
Is that so? Rating from user feryjhie:
Rating that you've left on the said user:
Something smells in here and it is not just the fish that I'm having for dinner.
THE BIG QUESTION IS LAUDA
Why do you keep avoiding explaining your feedback and actions? You are a Staff member in this forum. Someone others are supposed to look up to and go to for assistance. Someone who is supposed to help support the integrity of this forum. Yet you keep bouncing around and not answering the main issue! Please explain your feedback with no references and provide reference or proof that such feedback is true. Why are you wasting all your time trying to put me down and make accusations you can not prove, and instead defend your actions as a respected member of this forum?? I have already done my homework and I have already stated if I am wrong and I put my foot in my mouth, I will say so and appologize. I will change this thread and take back all my wrong statements. So why are you so anxious to fight when you can just prove you are the trusted member for the position you are in, and be done with this all??? Now that smells fishy.
See Lauda, I do not care about this account. As proven a number of times, if this account is banned or left red negative, I can just vacate it and move on. I won't, because I do not really care; but I do care when it comes to calling out BS, and I smell a large pile of it coming from your lack of response when it comes to the actual accusations you are accused of.
Reported.
Claim withdrawn.
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