It says more about you than the point you are trying to make if you actually believe that the only way to go without food and shelter is by working for someone who is exploiting you.
let me guess, get better educated, work harder, get promoted and become a millionaire? someone else is still going to have to be the janitor and retail worker. capitalist/libertarian don't have a solution for how to provide for everyone's needs because that isn't their goal. their goal is to get rich themselves and fuck everyone else. 
Topic: Without government, would there actually be more theft from the rich? - page 2. (Read 2311 times)
January 17, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
January 17, 2016, 09:45:03 AM
We still don't live in ideal society so without government we will live in chaos and nobody will be able to protect us.
In such world, you may be rich but world around you will be without order or security and I don't think that anyone will enjoy in such wild world.
We still need them but of course we should defend our own freedom and free will.
In such world, you may be rich but world around you will be without order or security and I don't think that anyone will enjoy in such wild world.
We still need them but of course we should defend our own freedom and free will.
January 17, 2016, 04:32:37 AM
One voluntary.
One not voluntary.
you dont like prison, they don't like going without food and shelter, both voluntary or neitherOne not voluntary.
It says more about you than the point you are trying to make if you actually believe that the only way to go without food and shelter is by working for someone who is exploiting you.
January 16, 2016, 07:12:13 PM
One voluntary.
One not voluntary.
you dont like prison, they don't like going without food and shelter, both voluntary or neither One not voluntary.
January 16, 2016, 06:25:05 PM
So...voluntary.
As opposed to taxes.
dont work for capitalist exploiter and be homeless/hungryAs opposed to taxes.
dont pay taxes and go to prison
One voluntary.
One not voluntary.
January 16, 2016, 05:50:27 PM
So...voluntary.
As opposed to taxes.
dont work for capitalist exploiter and be homeless/hungryAs opposed to taxes.
dont pay taxes and go to prison
January 16, 2016, 04:51:33 PM
Does this happen voluntarily or does the rich shareholder threaten to kidnap the poor worker if they do not hand over their wealth?
poverty wage supplemented with food stamps vs destitution, some choiceto the capitalist exploiter taxes for stuff like police and prison service that protects him is not theft but laws that protect workers by making sure they earn the bare minimum they need to pay their rent and eat is theft
So...voluntary.
As opposed to taxes.
January 16, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
Does this happen voluntarily or does the rich shareholder threaten to kidnap the poor worker if they do not hand over their wealth?
poverty wage supplemented with food stamps vs destitution, some choiceto the capitalist exploiter taxes for stuff like police and prison service that protects him is not theft but laws that protect workers by making sure they earn the bare minimum they need to pay their rent and eat is theft
January 16, 2016, 03:22:20 PM
"more" theft from the rich implying there is already some theft from them now. poor worker creates wealth, rich shareholder takes most of it from him, government takes a sliver of that wealth back from rich shareholder to give poor worker housing and food stamps so he wont die and you call that theft?
without government there would be genuine survival of the fittest and no police and army to protect those fat jew pussies in their skyscrapers and gated communities.
without government there would be genuine survival of the fittest and no police and army to protect those fat jew pussies in their skyscrapers and gated communities.
Does this happen voluntarily or does the rich shareholder threaten to kidnap the poor worker if they do not hand over their wealth?
January 16, 2016, 01:05:50 PM
Modern government's last defence for itself is that it is necessary evil.
It maintains order and keep the poor from starving, it says.
But if you have faith in humanity and that one day that people would evolve to be so socially aware that they can contain their tendency to hurt others, then you know it is a certainty that government will go.
The mob is just manifestation of our greediness.
Greediness is a symptom of lack of social awareness.
It maintains order and keep the poor from starving, it says.
But if you have faith in humanity and that one day that people would evolve to be so socially aware that they can contain their tendency to hurt others, then you know it is a certainty that government will go.
The mob is just manifestation of our greediness.
Greediness is a symptom of lack of social awareness.
January 16, 2016, 12:17:09 PM
"more" theft from the rich implying there is already some theft from them now. poor worker creates wealth, rich shareholder takes most of it from him, government takes a sliver of that wealth back from rich shareholder to give poor worker housing and food stamps so he wont die and you call that theft?
without government there would be genuine survival of the fittest and no police and army to protect those fat jew pussies in their skyscrapers and gated communities.
without government there would be genuine survival of the fittest and no police and army to protect those fat jew pussies in their skyscrapers and gated communities.
January 16, 2016, 09:01:10 AM
Right now the government steals a lot from the rich, steals a lot from the middle class...they're just really good at stealing people's money.
But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
If you are rich, people are coming for your money. Government, activists, thieves, friends, colleagues But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
January 14, 2016, 08:45:20 PM
Yap. but in my country, the supplier like the oil companies are the ones dictating the price and the government just agree with it even the goods. The government doesn't provide enough resource and they spend lots on the roads.
Its near election now and the most politicians in our country spend millions on campaign than the actual humanitarian work they are advertising.
I guess this means that you can spend millions on ads and your money would be reimbursed after win.
Its near election now and the most politicians in our country spend millions on campaign than the actual humanitarian work they are advertising.
I guess this means that you can spend millions on ads and your money would be reimbursed after win.
January 14, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
I take it you are joking about governments being good for the economy! 
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Capitalism has to go?! But but... what? We don't have capitalism, we have too big to fails who are draining the life from the economy via bailouts when they should have f***ng failed
That is not capitalism. We have central banks controlling rates and markets. That is not capitalism. Capitalism was got rid of ages ago.
We'd have money that is not based on debt so you could save your capital and have some stability in its value.
Capitalism is dead.
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Capitalism has to go?! But but... what? We don't have capitalism, we have too big to fails who are draining the life from the economy via bailouts when they should have f***ng failed
That is not capitalism. We have central banks controlling rates and markets. That is not capitalism. Capitalism was got rid of ages ago.
We'd have money that is not based on debt so you could save your capital and have some stability in its value.
Capitalism is dead.
January 13, 2016, 10:18:19 AM
Governments used to bring some order into theft, so they are absolutely necessary. Otherwise everyone would erratically steal from everyone else instead of doing that in a nice coherent and orderly way what is good for the society and the economy as well. That's why governments used to punish their randomly occurring amateur competitors, but never or rarely punish professional players like themselves, institutions or corporations.
January 13, 2016, 05:47:36 AM
As long as one person is alive, there will be government and religion... even if it is self-government.
The point that we need to be aiming for is for each of us, individually, to be self-governing, even though we have a shell of a formal government around us. Make the formal government obey you regarding your personal life and rights.
The lands of America, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and India have this built right into their formal governments. But, most of the people don't know it or how to use and do it.
The point that we need to be aiming for is for each of us, individually, to be self-governing, even though we have a shell of a formal government around us. Make the formal government obey you regarding your personal life and rights.
The lands of America, Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, and India have this built right into their formal governments. But, most of the people don't know it or how to use and do it.
January 13, 2016, 05:12:17 AM
Right now the government steals a lot from the rich, steals a lot from the middle class...they're just really good at stealing people's money.
But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
8 million people in NYC, most of them working poor. Without the police, the rich manhattan dbags would be torn limb from limb pretty quickly I imagine.But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
Except that they'd just hire some of the poor to kill the others. So it'd be yet another bloodbath with a bunch of dead poor.
Capitalism has to go, it's the only way to move forward beyond poor killing poor for benefit of rich.
Governments already hire the poor to kill other poor people. It's called the military. It would be no different without government.
January 13, 2016, 02:21:40 AM
Right now the government steals a lot from the rich, steals a lot from the middle class...they're just really good at stealing people's money.
But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
8 million people in NYC, most of them working poor. Without the police, the rich manhattan dbags would be torn limb from limb pretty quickly I imagine.But, without government, wouldn't mobs of people steal more? Sure people can come up with their own private security forces but there are a lot of people in this world. If the "majority" wants your money...they'll take it. Sure they might go after easier targets first but eventually they'll go after everyone.
Does the government play a useful role in appeasing folks by stealing for them at a predictable pace?
I'm not saying it's right, just talking about the reality of it.
Except that they'd just hire some of the poor to kill the others. So it'd be yet another bloodbath with a bunch of dead poor.
Capitalism has to go, it's the only way to move forward beyond poor killing poor for benefit of rich.
January 12, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
No mather how much we tend to dislike governments, they do indeed play a useful role in providing security. It's for all people. The world would be a huge chaos. With governments there is 1 authority. If there weren't any governments, plenty of groups or people would then try to force themself into the authority role. Mostly not in a good way.
Yep you got that right. With no rule of law, all would be anarchy and as much as I detest some of the foul things my gov't does, it's better than the alternative. It'd be like the Walking Dead and eventually we'd end up with a government anyway. 
January 12, 2016, 10:58:58 PM
without a government, its like we are back in the old age where barbarians fight each other and steal the properties of those they conquer. people will live in factions and the stronger one will prevail and then samething happens over and over.
But with government, all those stealing is like an organized crime, systematically executed by government leaders.
But with government, all those stealing is like an organized crime, systematically executed by government leaders.
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