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Quote from: serjent05 on November 08, 2020, 10:12:52 AM

Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 06:43:38 PM

However, this is not how things are going to unfold in real life. People complaining here and elsewhere would still hurt the public image of the casino. You are not allowed to set your own network fees on most exchanges (in fact, I don't know about any where you can do that), and this is considered normal and standard behavior. In other words, doing it differently would be too risky, while benefits minuscule provided there are any at all

I agree! Even though it is the client's fault, many people are so narrow-minded looking for someone to blame. We have seen many situations where clients blame the company for the problem that they (client) themselves create. Letting people to setup their own transaction fee will create more problems, and that what I think

If only it were just about that

As this thread clearly shows, people are ready to blame and accuse not for actual wrongdoings, no matter whose fault it really is, but for misdeeds that didn't happen and could only happen in imagined or outright conjured-up and contrived circumstances, for example, Wolf.bet running dummy accounts with hidden names to promote the daily race. Is this still a "legit" call or are we already past that point?

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Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 06:43:38 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on November 07, 2020, 12:28:27 PM

If someone set too small fee that makes his transaction get confirmed in a very long time then it is user's fault why he set too small amount

Technically, you are right

However, this is not how things are going to unfold in real life. People complaining here and elsewhere would still hurt the public image of the casino. You are not allowed to set your own network fees on most exchanges (in fact, I don't know about any where you can do that), and this is considered normal and standard behavior. In other words, doing it differently would be too risky, while benefits minuscule provided there are any at all

It wont hurt the public image of the casino, at least there are some casinos has this option where players can set the fee based on its priority (Low, Med, High).
With this option, I do believe gamblers prefer to use Med and High priority because they want to get the transaction confirmed fast.
I havent seen any complains on those site with this option, crypto gamblers are getting smart time to time so I doubt that gambler will choose low fee as they are aware about the consequence.
Of course it is just a suggestion from yahoo, the idea is to let players set higher fee than the default one set by the casino.
Sometime fixed fee which is being paid by casino is smaller than the recommended fee, this makes players wait longer time for their own money.
If there is an option to pay higher fee, then players wont need to wait for longer time for their money.

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Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 06:43:38 PM

Quote from: panjul07 on November 07, 2020, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 04:08:52 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM

I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms

It's okay when you want to pay higher fees

But what if someone sets too small a fee and the transaction doesn't get confirmed? When you are sending from your own wallet (i.e. the wallet for which you have the keys), you can try to cancel the TX or add more fees to it (something like CPFP). In this case you are the one totally responsible for your actions. But in case of a casino, someone would undoubtedly start to blame it for allowing such a fee in the first place despite setting it himself. And then you will see this thread or any other such thread filled with complaints and baseless accusations

If someone set too small fee that makes his transaction get confirmed in a very long time then it is user's fault why he set too small amount

Technically, you are right

However, this is not how things are going to unfold in real life. People complaining here and elsewhere would still hurt the public image of the casino. You are not allowed to set your own network fees on most exchanges (in fact, I don't know about any where you can do that), and this is considered normal and standard behavior. In other words, doing it differently would be too risky, while benefits minuscule provided there are any at all

I agree! Even though it is the client's fault, many people are so narrow-minded looking for someone to blame. We have seen many situations where clients blame the company for the problem that they (client) themselves create. Letting people to setup their own transaction fee will create more problems, and that what I think.

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Quote from: panjul07 on November 07, 2020, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 04:08:52 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM

I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms

It's okay when you want to pay higher fees

But what if someone sets too small a fee and the transaction doesn't get confirmed? When you are sending from your own wallet (i.e. the wallet for which you have the keys), you can try to cancel the TX or add more fees to it (something like CPFP). In this case you are the one totally responsible for your actions. But in case of a casino, someone would undoubtedly start to blame it for allowing such a fee in the first place despite setting it himself. And then you will see this thread or any other such thread filled with complaints and baseless accusations

If someone set too small fee that makes his transaction get confirmed in a very long time then it is user's fault why he set too small amount

Technically, you are right

However, this is not how things are going to unfold in real life. People complaining here and elsewhere would still hurt the public image of the casino. You are not allowed to set your own network fees on most exchanges (in fact, I don't know about any where you can do that), and this is considered normal and standard behavior. In other words, doing it differently would be too risky, while benefits minuscule provided there are any at all

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Sure there's a question of personal responsibility but also there's always the usability issue especially when its the entertainment industry, people are going to be taking a drink relaxing and mistakes will happen because that's life. I don't see crypto really able to take off overall until its available in some shape or form so incredibly easy its like the remote control of online payments, it really does have to be a no hassle no worries type affair.
I say that from experience of dealing with doctors or lawyers phoning up unfamiliar with windows or their computers in general, it is there fault to an extent if they make a simple mistake sure but also it has to be good working system with rounded edges at some point or growth is not going to divert elsewhere. I'm pretty sure efficiency is a big thing but also ease of use for mass adoption will be vital for all these aspirations people have in price projections etc.

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Quote from: deisik on November 07, 2020, 04:08:52 AM

Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM

I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms

It's okay when you want to pay higher fees

But what if someone sets too small a fee and the transaction doesn't get confirmed? When you are sending from your own wallet (i.e. the wallet for which you have the keys), you can try to cancel the TX or add more fees to it (something like CPFP). In this case you are the one totally responsible for your actions. But in case of a casino, someone would undoubtedly start to blame it for allowing such a fee in the first place despite setting it himself. And then you will see this thread or any other such thread filled with complaints and baseless accusations

If someone set too small fee that makes his transaction get confirmed in a very long time then it is user's fault why he set too small amount.
Someone who do it then start complaining the site will just embarrass himself as he is the one who made the mistake.
If wolfbet add the option to pay fees as what user wish, better if wolfbet add a notification message of the latest recommended fee to get the transaction confirmed asap.

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Quote from: tbterryboy on November 07, 2020, 10:27:31 AM

When you make a "freely put any fee you want" type of situation that could be a problem, some person who is not focused or just having a bad day (or whatever else reason) could just put in the amount he wants to withdraw into the field he should put the fee and vice versa, in that case someone who wants to withdraw 1 bitcoin and pay 0.001 fee so it can be quick, could instead get 0.001 withdraw for a 1 bitcoin fee

That's probably another reason why the casino should never allow gamblers to play with withdrawal fees. Wanna play? No problem, here's dice, roulette, blackjack... oh, wait

Quote from: tbterryboy on November 07, 2020, 10:27:31 AM

Not that it is common but we have seen this type of thing happen before in bitcoin world, there are unfortunately people who lost hundreds of bitcoins this way and there is no way to reverse it back. Which is why I highly suggest a wallet like three option deal where you have slow, medium and fast where you can choice and the amount will be decided based on the situation of the fee situation at that moment

Don't know about bitcoins but one dude recently sent a couple dollars in Ether for a network fee of a few million. Real story, and I'm curious who has confirmed the transaction. I mean, a mining pool or a single miner. This is truly off-topic in this thread, but you raised an interesting and important issue

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When you make a "freely put any fee you want" type of situation that could be a problem, some person who is not focused or just having a bad day (or whatever else reason) could just put in the amount he wants to withdraw into the field he should put the fee and vice versa, in that case someone who wants to withdraw 1 bitcoin and pay 0.001 fee so it can be quick, could instead get 0.001 withdraw for a 1 bitcoin fee.

Not that it is common but we have seen this type of thing happen before in bitcoin world, there are unfortunately people who lost hundreds of bitcoins this way and there is no way to reverse it back. Which is why I highly suggest a wallet like three option deal where you have slow, medium and fast where you can choice and the amount will be decided based on the situation of the fee situation at that moment.

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Quote from: Stedsm on November 06, 2020, 05:48:24 PM

Did anyone experienced ever what I did?
I tried to set my email in my profile to verify and it showed "malicious behavior". I don't know why that happened but has any of you experienced it before? What's the solution to this?

I have never had such an experience before. Were you maybe using a VPN/proxy with an IP address far away from the location from where you originally created the account from? In that case you can try without the VPN or by using a location closer to your place.

If a site recognizes a new device, it might trigger a verification request where you have to confirm that you are the original owner of the account with a click on a link in an email they send.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM

I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms

It's okay when you want to pay higher fees

But what if someone sets too small a fee and the transaction doesn't get confirmed? When you are sending from your own wallet (i.e. the wallet for which you have the keys), you can try to cancel the TX or add more fees to it (something like CPFP). In this case you are the one totally responsible for your actions. But in case of a casino, someone would undoubtedly start to blame it for allowing such a fee in the first place despite setting it himself. And then you will see this thread or any other such thread filled with complaints and baseless accusations

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Quote from: Stedsm on November 06, 2020, 05:48:24 PM

Did anyone experienced ever what I did?
I tried to set my email in my profile to verify and it showed "malicious behavior". I don't know why that happened but has any of you experienced it before? What's the solution to this?

@wolfbet, can you please add SMS and email "code" verifications as a part of your 2fa process? I'm afraid Google Authenticator is not something I'd like to use, because if my phone software crashes and I lose everything, I believe I'll lose my access to to the site as well as withdrawals.

Maybe you can save the key in notepad and store it in your pc/laptop, so when your phone software crashes, you can add it back to your mobile phone. That is what I did with all keys in Google Authenticator, and I also suggest the same thing to my friends. It helps us to have the 2fa keys and we can install Google Authenticator on other devices.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 06, 2020, 04:29:47 PM

I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms.

It is clear for those whose money is big up to thousands of dollars in gambling games when they want to withdraw then this option can be done because the minimum amount of fees is applied and it is with a faster speed.

I don't know what about the users below are they able? or indeed choose the option that has been set because there are no options except those that have been set, but what I know is that if normal bitcoin is $ 15k then the cost will also decrease according to speed mempool.

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Did anyone experienced ever what I did?
I tried to set my email in my profile to verify and it showed "malicious behavior". I don't know why that happened but has any of you experienced it before? What's the solution to this?

@wolfbet, can you please add SMS and email "code" verifications as a part of your 2fa process? I'm afraid Google Authenticator is not something I'd like to use, because if my phone software crashes and I lose everything, I believe I'll lose my access to to the site as well as withdrawals.

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I would prefer they added an option for users to pay fees and set amounts users can choose to pay for faster confirms. They're being nice and paying wd fees for users currently, but some users cash out hundreds or thousands of dollars and would like faster confirms.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on November 04, 2020, 05:04:55 PM

Transaction discussion was going to be off-topic in wolf.bet's thread but I only want to say that for two months it wasn't confirmed? wow, you had the patience to wait for that long.

I don't think transaction discussion is "that" much off-topic because people are here talking about both
A) the fee for withdraw at wolf.bet
B) minimum withdrawal limit

I do agree that fee of withdrawal is something that is high everywhere, because eth fee's are insanely high these days and I can understand that, however that is only applied for the fee and if you want to allow people to pay their own fee that should be fine as well, after all if they want to wait they could wait, if they want fast they could do fast.

But what I do not agree with is the minimum requirement, if the person wants to send 1 dollar back to himself and pay 99 cent fee, receive only 1 cent in return for all this, let them do that if they want to. It is not wolf.bet's decision to have a minimum requirement at all.

Most users who cash out will cash out a reasonable amount anyway. I cannot imagine that someone wants to have, for example, 5 EUR paid.
I think bookmakers should cover fees with payouts, after all, we're not talking hundreds of dollars per transaction. Isn't that only between 2 and 15 euros maximum?
That is part of a piece of customer service to the customer. I also prefer it to not set a minimum withdrawal limit.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on November 04, 2020, 05:04:55 PM

Transaction discussion was going to be off-topic in wolf.bet's thread but I only want to say that for two months it wasn't confirmed? wow, you had the patience to wait for that long.

I don't think transaction discussion is "that" much off-topic because people are here talking about both
A) the fee for withdraw at wolf.bet
B) minimum withdrawal limit

I do agree that fee of withdrawal is something that is high everywhere, because eth fee's are insanely high these days and I can understand that, however that is only applied for the fee and if you want to allow people to pay their own fee that should be fine as well, after all if they want to wait they could wait, if they want fast they could do fast.

But what I do not agree with is the minimum requirement, if the person wants to send 1 dollar back to himself and pay 99 cent fee, receive only 1 cent in return for all this, let them do that if they want to. It is not wolf.bet's decision to have a minimum requirement at all.

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^I agree myself that 15 wasn't really that big of a deal. In fact it was just some airdrop that I received that day which to me didn't really worth anything, normally I do not even deposit 6-7 bucks because sending that would cost a lot to begin with, let alone anything else. Hence why I believe 15 wasn't a big deal but I just wanted to exchange that airdrop into ETH and then gamble with it, what else was I suppose to do with just 6 bucks? That is not even worth the time or even could even be turned to fiat, hence gambling with it was a feeling like "faucet" where I got free money to gamble with.

I came here to talk about the withdrawal rate because I found it interesting, didn't really bother me all that insanely much but considering it could be removed and just let people withdraw 1 satoshi above the fee is possible, I just wanted to share that. Otherwise 15+ for eth is understandable (and can yes doge if you want less).

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Quote from: deisik on November 05, 2020, 05:21:10 PM

Quote from: beerlover on November 05, 2020, 03:33:21 PM

Wolfbet simply says "if you do not have over 15 bucks, do not come here and gamble for nothing because we ain't giving it to you" and that is understandable, 15+ is not like a whale or anything it is quite cheap. Usually not so cheap in third world countries like where I come from but still cheap for many people. Hence I think this is not a deal, sure if they could drop it in half to something like 0.02 that would be swell but during a period where even withdrawal fee reaches to high levels, 0.04 is totally understandable

You could play with doges

The minimum withdraw amount is 2,000 doges which is around 5 dollars. Honestly, I don't even understand why anyone would ever want to gamble with 15 dollars worth in ETH given that the fees could amount to half of this. Compare that to a Dogecoin network fee of just 1 doge. It kinda makes no sense if you ask me

True that, but often times players are too lazy to move their ETH or BTC to exchange and convert it to DOGE there (just like me lol). So they just sent their fund just to save some transaction fee and time and enjoy wolf.bet's game. Unless wolf.bet have a built in conversion (sorry if i am not updated on this one) where we can convert our BTC to Doge or other cryptocurrency and vice versa, but the problem is, there is not so many local exchangers that convert Doge to fiat since most of them only converts BTC and other more popular cryptocurrencies. So even if there is an internal exchange, player will still choose to withdraw in BTC or ETH if their purpose is to convert it to fiat after withdrawal.

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Quote from: deisik on November 05, 2020, 05:21:10 PM

You could play with doges

The minimum withdraw amount is 2,000 doges which is around 5 dollars. Honestly, I don't even understand why anyone would ever want to gamble with 15 dollars worth in ETH given that the fees could amount to half of this. Compare that to a Dogecoin network fee of just 1 doge. It kinda makes no sense if you ask me

Sometimes not all player out there aim to get money and they just let those $15 worth of ETH burn just for fun. For sure people are aware about high fees these days since and I see so many post about they are not here to earn profit but to seek some platform to spend there boredom so provably the one you see is those people who play on some certain site or even here.

The pleasure is to enjoy some of the costs they need to give and they don't care about it, we know that with price hikes now the ETH and BTC withdrawal fees are getting stronger but some also switch to DOGE because with the minimum amount that has been given, it's free gamblers want to choose which one is fun or want money, for me of course I will switch to altcoins that are slightly lower than the top coins.

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Quote from: deisik on November 05, 2020, 05:21:10 PM

Quote from: beerlover on November 05, 2020, 03:33:21 PM

Wolfbet simply says "if you do not have over 15 bucks, do not come here and gamble for nothing because we ain't giving it to you" and that is understandable, 15+ is not like a whale or anything it is quite cheap. Usually not so cheap in third world countries like where I come from but still cheap for many people. Hence I think this is not a deal, sure if they could drop it in half to something like 0.02 that would be swell but during a period where even withdrawal fee reaches to high levels, 0.04 is totally understandable

You could play with doges

The minimum withdraw amount is 2,000 doges which is around 5 dollars. Honestly, I don't even understand why anyone would ever want to gamble with 15 dollars worth in ETH given that the fees could amount to half of this. Compare that to a Dogecoin network fee of just 1 doge. It kinda makes no sense if you ask me

Sometimes not all player out there aim to get money and they just let those $15 worth of ETH burn just for fun. For sure people are aware about high fees these days since and I see so many post about they are not here to earn profit but to seek some platform to spend there boredom so provably the one you see is those people who play on some certain site or even here.

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