Woman set on fire in NYC Subway, people did nothing about it - page 2.

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Quote from: hellflame on December 28, 2024, 07:01:02 PM

Quote from: WillyAp on December 28, 2024, 03:03:09 PM

I wonder what you'd do when confronted with that atrocity?

Whatever I could do to help the person with the flames on their back as they would be the immeadiate priorirty but at least I wouldn't stand around doing NOTHING. Taking them to the ground from the bottom beneath the flames and dragging them out of the carriage might have helped while protecting their face and hair from going up or literally tearing the clothing off them if possible while using whatever means available to smother any flames left. Literally whatever was humanely possible and as quickly as possible. If there were already people actually getting the job done on her and I was aware of that guy being the perp (which in the confusion may not have been possible) I would have asked another commuter to assist in restraining him until the police were there to make an arrest or try to knock the fucker out with whatever I had from a piece of furniture in the subway or a beer bottle or something out of a thrash can. I don't know exactly but I 100% would have done whatever I could. And what would YOU have done exactly?

See? There's another one of your problems. Freedom of religion is possibly the strongest of the freedoms, and is in the 1st Amendment.

The guy and the woman were simply of a different religion than most of us. And he was carrying out religious punishment on the woman... punishment that she was aware of in her religion, and deserved for doing wrong.

All you would be doing is breaking the 1st Amendment by disallowing them their freedom of religion. You should be punished under the law for trying to steal someone's freedom. You even admit that you were trying to do this.

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Quote from: WillyAp on December 28, 2024, 03:03:09 PM

I wonder what you'd do when confronted with that atrocity?

Whatever I could do to help the person with the flames on their back as they would be the immeadiate priorirty but at least I wouldn't stand around doing NOTHING. Taking them to the ground from the bottom beneath the flames and dragging them out of the carriage might have helped while protecting their face and hair from going up or literally tearing the clothing off them if possible while using whatever means available to smother any flames left. Literally whatever was humanely possible and as quickly as possible. If there were already people actually getting the job done on her and I was aware of that guy being the perp (which in the confusion may not have been possible) I would have asked another commuter to assist in restraining him until the police were there to make an arrest or try to knock the fucker out with whatever I had from a piece of furniture in the subway or a beer bottle or something out of a thrash can. I don't know exactly but I 100% would have done whatever I could. And what would YOU have done exactly?

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Quote from: hellflame on December 28, 2024, 01:47:14 PM

If this happened in London ,Dublin or Glasgow there would be people jumping up and down on that murderers head until it was like a squashed melon if there was no cop available to do the job and others would be rolling the victim on the ground and putting the flames out

Pure cliche that could happen anywhere.
I wonder what you'd do when confronted with that atrocity?

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Social media/content creation has made the world go mad. Instead of helping the victim people decided to make videos from the incident. Maybe they will upload it on some social media platforms and make money from it. In my area it is common to see accident victims being filmed and posted on the internet meanwhile what they needed was first aid and assistance to take them to hospitals.

Nobody knows they reason why this man set this woman on fire. Investigation showed that there was no interaction between both of them before he ignited the fire. I think the suspect might be going through some mental problems. I am also surprised that the victim couldn't sense that somebody has set her on fire until the fire become uncontrolled. We have to wait until investigation is concluded for us to know what really went wrong.

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If this happened in London ,Dublin or Glasgow there would be people jumping up and down on that murderers head until it was like a squashed melon if there was no cop available to do the job and others would be rolling the victim on the ground and putting the flames out but in yankee land that has polluted the whole of western society with its mental ilness it has lazy ass policemen probably hired because they had the correct pronoun and eat the right colour donut and braindead citizens who thought it was a good opportunity to get some views on their tik tok channel or maybe thought it might be racist to stomp on the demons head or worried the lady victim might sue them for harrassment etc. They probably all had bottles of water with them and were drinking it while she burned alive too. They are as evil as the murderer and all should face prison for being worthless pieces of shit.

Now I know why the US NEEDS a wall urgently built to protect Canadians (who are also contaminated from the mental illness) but mexicians might be safe once the wall is fully built.

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Quote from: Face_lex on December 27, 2024, 01:45:32 PM

It is bad that we watch things go wrong without any action to prevent it. Touching part, there were persons who could intervene but they prefer to record and spread it online. We should focus more on saving lives than on filming.

It kind of reminds me the old saying about how all it is needed for bad people to get away with anything if good people who do nothing and get in their way. I believe it applies in this scenario.
It is not only the huge sense of invidualism which exist within the United States and specially in such a big city like New York, when each one of the residents seem to have adopted the idea they are on their own and not supposed to trust anyone at all, contributing to them just staying around and documenting and disgusting crime with their phones as if they were androids with no feelings or sense of empathy on what is going on, same for the police officers who were there and could not have the decency to apprehend the suspect at the spot for killing and innocent woman for whatever reason.
It only show who sick the west is getting and how likely it will continue to get worse with the divisive rethoric Donald Trump will push forward in the coming years.

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It is bad that we watch things go wrong without any action to prevent it. Touching part, there were persons who could intervene but they prefer to record and spread it online. We should focus more on saving lives than on filming.

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Crazy things are indeed happening.
Sorry I didn't get to take a look at the source link for some reason that are personal, but if there's one thing I know, It's the fact that shits like this don't just happen, except the murderer in question is a fucking psychopath or a serial killer, otherwise I believe something must've triggered the incident and also caused all the witnesses present to disassociate themselves, so if the source didn't state the reason why the woman was set ablaze and no one intervened, then the story no really clear.

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The love for the woman isn't strong enough to move them to act otherwise even the most introverted and cautious person will ignore all consequences and rush to save the woman and probably apprehend the man, and then later wonder how he/she was able to achieve the feat. That is what the force of love can do to people "subconsciously", unfortunately it's diminishing really quick in this world, especially amongst city dwellers who depend too much on governments for almost everything and programmed by the media to hate or be suspicious of neighbors. They will be expecting the police to intervene, scared of what will happen if they personally intervene,etc. These worries and expectations are stronger than the love for the woman

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Maybe she was just trying to stay warm in the cold, and it got out of hand.

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Last night I was taking a look at the most important news from the United States now the presidential campaign is pretty much over and I felt curious about how a woman die within one of the Subway wagons of New York City. When I first took a look at the story I thought I was rather a very unfortunate accident. Imagine my face when I further read and watched videos about it I realized it was the act of a man, who set the woman ablaze on purpose and fanned the flames on her with hi own shirt to ensure she was completely engulfed in fire.
All this scene happened while people around limited themselves to record with their phones and local police actually allowed the man to flee the scene (he was later apprehended in a different location after a seemingly short manhunt).

To add salt to injury, the alleged murder is an illegal alien from central america, which had been deported already few years ago.

What do you think about all this messy situation?
It is very scary, investigators have not even been able to verify whether the woman as sleep when initially engulfed in flames or under the effect of some drug. One cannot believe something like this could happen in one of the biggest cities of the civilized world.

Something out of an horror movie

NY subway death accused fanned flames with shirt, prosecutors say

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clygk48nxgzo

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A suspect accused of killing a woman by setting her on fire on a subway train has been charged with murder in a New York court.

Sebastian Zapeta allegedly set the unidentified woman's clothes on fire, and then fanned the flames by waving a shirt around her, which caused the flames to fully engulf her, according to the criminal complaint.

The 33-year-old faces charges of first and second degree murder, as well as arson for the attack on Monday. He will remain in custody until his next court appearance on Friday.

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