Topic: Woman stabbed while helping immigrant children (Read 2116 times)

In some countries it looks like is more important to punish you because of smoking cigarette in a common space in building or did you put other flower in pot on your balkonny which wasn't approved by president of community than invasion of uncivilized person on Europe...People weak up!! Stand!! Don't be blind

Ok so you're denouncing the French democracy in fact. But what do we do then? I don't want your propositions. I find them stupid, limited, incredibly expansive, and coming directly from the Stone age. How do we decide if we enforce our borders or not? You seem to say that I'm forcing my people to open the borders... Well that's the base of democracy, if the majority wants open borders then we get open borders.

You're criticizing French democracy (which I find very funny coming from an American xD). Yeah not perfect, and it's a representative democracy which could be better. But that has nothing to do with my opinion on borders. That's the system we live in, and with a direct democracy I would still have this opinion...

Oh and btw, France has 4 000 km borders. You want to close them? Very well, how do you do that? When I was claiming it's not physically possible it's because it would cost far too much to close them.

PS. and you over interpret some of my thoughts and ignore those that you don't want to talk about. I'm tired as hell of your bullshit. You really debate like an American, you remind of Trump that's funny ^^

All these countries are very stable and had no wars, group attacks and similar..Sweden for 200 years without war..And they build a society with very low violence, looking to make that every citizen is safe,happy, in nice environment..their police was never in situations like this..and now thay have an army of 'refugees' with no other intentions than to kill,rape,steal,make a chaos..One friend of mine in France she is in a little village told me that on their tv they don't see that things, so looks like media hide some stories probably not to make anti refugee environment

Everyday I hear more and more crazy things happening in these so called "civilized, first world countries". What is happening?! Are here any users from those countries to share their opinions about what's going on? I'd be very interested to see what they have to say.

Beating some kids when you are in a group of hundreds.


Much stronk.
So tough.

I thought Swedes ain't tough. I was wrong about it.

The biggest problem here is that nobody doesn't do anything to stop these 'refugees' to enter in Europe. It's confirmed that Turkey lets them go in boats and cross the sea running to the Greek islands. OTAN and US forces should be on Greek border to stop them. This things will continue to happen, that's the beginning

Yes, the government needs to wake up! take responsibility for the lives of these innocent people who have come to their country for help, its ethical, humane and no reason on earth can justify not to help anyone in need who is in a worse off position than yourself.

I cant believe that someone can do this to a woman,especially when she is risking her own life to help immigrant children,why? Not everyone is able to help the most vulnerable and especially in a situation where dire help is needed,in this case the matter is regarding children, young, homeless and innocent.

Moreover it's the government's responsibility to help vulnerable immigrant children/adults or any asylum seekers, but because they are so washed up in their own crimes and dirty lives, normal everyday people have to risk their own lives to help these under privileged kids and adults.

It's obvious that immigrants don't know how to deal with western woman.
They are coming from completely different culture and civilization and they never in their life lived together with women, worked with them or learned how to accept them as equals.
Because of this is not good idea to send women to work with them.
Immigrants should pass some kind of education about western cultures and values and if they can't accept it, they shouldn't stay in Europe.  

He is a Muslim himself, so please press the ignore button and forget about his posts. Anyway it is irritating to see this guy doing so many consecutive posts, all of them without any fact.

Now coming back to the topic, the family of the victim has blamed the politicians and have demanded that the perpetrator of the crime must be tried as an adult (that is, if he was not an adult).

You can not expect from wild 'people' to accept normal way of living. That's how they live in their countries. In Somalia,Afganistan,Arabia...In their conutries woman are no valuable and are treaten like a slaves, and actually they hate them. Now they came in civilization with savage habits, and when they faces to a normal human European woman they consider normal to attack her because she don't live on the way they expect...Stop accepting them!!

yes you are definitely right .. immigrants are invading other countiries.. they are so crueal and ignorant.. they should be banned in every western country..

It's cute how you imitate me like a little monkey never understanding the words you think are "random" repeating them back at me as if that proves something. Your refractory bullshit is not an argument, an argument requires a premise, which you consistently avoid by bringing up red herring diversions, straw man arguments, and by simply accusing me of the logical fallacies I accuse you of. None of these things are considered logical forms of debate regardless of your ignorance of this fact.





You still don't know how to define debate, let alone actually debate, and you accuse me of not wanting debate? I would laugh, but your redundancy is getting kind of boring. By the way do I "over interpret ... thoughts" or do I "just ignored" your points? Make up your mind. 

I have emboldened your logical fallacies and numbered them so you can learn how logic works and understand these links aren't "random".

(1) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
(2) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
(3) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
(4) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
(5) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity



Yes, but you are. You are making choices for other people in your country who may or may not agree with you. You are claiming there is "no choice" but in reality choice is all anyone ever has. You most certainly do have a choice. You can screen and control the influx of economic migrants. Claiming you physically can not secure your borders at all is just ignorant.



Again, you are making choices for others when your government forces everyone to risk their safety and what little fruit of their labor they have left via more taxes as a direct result of allowing an uncontrolled mass influx of migration. As a result you are asking other people to sacrifice so that you can have your illusion of collective generosity, and tell yourself you did good, when in reality you are harming all involved. Taxes fund your "generosity". Taxes are taken by force. Your "generosity" is taken by force. That is not generosity that is theft and redistribution of wealth.



Also here is the definition of democracy:

1. a system of government in which all the people of a country can vote to elect their representatives parliamentary democracy the principles of democracy

2. a country which has this system of government Western democracies I thought we were supposed to be living in a democracy.

3. fair and equal treatment of everyone in an organization, etc., and their right to take part in making decisions
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/democracy




"as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied."

France is a republic by the way, not a democracy. Even if you did live in a democracy, there are still issues of representative government, otherwise your so called "democracy" is nothing more than mob rule. The population is free to decide on their own to defend themselves and their country if they need to. You however are attempting to deny people that choice by claiming to speak for everyone with populist rule and imposing penalties upon people for taking steps to do so. Additionally democracies are a flawed form of government, because all it takes is one intelligent individual to fool most of the people, and the masses can be lead around to any place the oligarchical class desire.





Göring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Gilbert: "There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

Göring: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring



Pretty soon your countrymen will be denouncing the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger, and by then it will be too late. You have a right to enforce your national borders. This is not racism. This is the protection of the human rights of your nation's population. Your nation does not owe anything to people just because they wander into your national borders. You are literally stealing from people within your country by force to accommodate people who most likely seek the destruction of your "generous" ideologies. Europe is being baited into accepting an untenable situation using appeals to emotion and collective cultural guilt. This will serve no one but the bankers you claim to oppose, yet actively serve.

It's called "jury nullification," and law enforcement and the courts hate it so much that they try to prosecute people who inform juries about it in a big way. They hate it because they lose control once the jury realizes what it has the power to do.

 

Yea let muzzies bang you from behind and drive you out of home, then your ideals will be more elevated

Coming from an American I'll take that as a compliment. That just shows I have ideals a little more elevated than just the traditional shitty American dream, which is a nonsense and an illusion.

Moglie looks like a european pussy or a muslim himself

In America it is age of majority... between ages 18 and 21 depending on State laws. However, in a particular case, if there is a court trial in some way, the jury can decide differently. A jury could declare a 14-y-o to be an adult. In some cases they might be able to declare a 25-y-o still a child under his parents.

The French Government makes such things like the Children Rights Act in France. The French government is dictator in France. The American government can be overruled on almost everything by the 12-person jury that is correctly seated in court.

Maybe I listen to this. But in France children own themselves! That's called "children right act" ^^