World needs more creators and builders of smart ways not just consumers

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Quote from: Bright0515 on November 03, 2024, 06:04:38 AM

It is very important to have more of producers than consumers in a country, that is another factor that can boost an economy. My country today is suffering because we consume more than we produce.
I'm always using china as an instance cause I really like their system they make sure every child after their secondary school is engaged in one production or the other and after producing they make sure it is exported and they also deal with high consumption of home made products so for that they are super successful in Economy. That is the area my country is lacking knowledge we have the potentials to do things we want but we're not doing them we basically focus on consumption.
Elon musk made a statement saying, when you give a monkey bananas and also give them money they would prefer the bananas over the money not knowing the money can even buy them more bananas..I just wish I could talk to my country people and make them understand economical terms especially in this period that we are facing economical challenges.

I highly recommend studying how China's economy is tripled. Just a hint with three words: “import-oriented economy”.

And regarding “producers must outnumber buyers”. Tell me how you see the situation, greatly simplified for understanding and “calculation”:
You and 5 bread producers live in your city. You ... well, let's say you're a fisherman who can supply fish to the bread makers. Tell me how your town will live within the framework of your concept ?

The free market is self-regulating! If there are more producers than necessary, there is a forced drop in prices to the level of economic feasibility or product quality (to reduce production costs), which then leads to a reduction in the number of producers. And when demand (number of consumers) grows - more producers appear, competition grows ... These are the basics of the market

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Quote from: Shortmaster on October 15, 2024, 05:12:30 AM

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
What are the one big problem in the world is that we have a lot people many of them own business are in key positions of countries but they have no skills no innovation and plan

Wooh wooh OP please cut down on the long post, like it's being a usual routine for you posting very longer threads tho sometimes they are informative but you can as well draft or wrap them up in few sentence and words but not necessarily this patterns all the time, but try to lessen your words abit so members don't find it bored reading through. And the problem we have today is that most people have refused to make new innovations to benefit themselves and the society but rather they don't mind remaining idle and wait for a changethe world needs people that can make new innovations rather than an idle fellow that keeps hand tight and wait for a change.

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Quote from: CK485 on October 26, 2024, 02:57:08 AM

in other words, sains and its enthusiasts are looking for more information, with many continuing to research, but from the perspective of certain groups of people, because firstly the expenditure is quite large, and they also expect to get back what they spend, so that the finances obtained from research are more, that is something that usually happens.

Spending some money to do more research is a very natural thing and it can also be considered as capital for researchers to be able to move faster in order to save more time in collecting more information. So things like that are indeed appropriate and I think it is very appropriate even though in the end every researcher will also expect more rewards through the discoveries they have found before. Because now there is no job that is truly free to do so that everything always requires capital in the form of money, energy, and also time.

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It is very important to have more of producers than consumers in a country, that is another factor that can boost an economy. My country today is suffering because we consume more than we produce.
I'm always using china as an instance cause I really like their system they make sure every child after their secondary school is engaged in one production or the other and after producing they make sure it is exported and they also deal with high consumption of home made products so for that they are super successful in Economy. That is the area my country is lacking knowledge we have the potentials to do things we want but we're not doing them we basically focus on consumption.
Elon musk made a statement saying, when you give a monkey bananas and also give them money they would prefer the bananas over the money not knowing the money can even buy them more bananas..I just wish I could talk to my country people and make them understand economical terms especially in this period that we are facing economical challenges.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 26, 2024, 03:42:47 AM

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Quote from: Shortmaster on October 15, 2024, 05:12:30 AM

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
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On the one hand, you're right. More specifically, in terms of idealizing the world. But... the problem is that if there are not MORE consumers, there will be no one to consume all these innovations and their products, which means that no one will pay and motivate the “creators” to take the next steps and create new products and services. Unfortunately, the real market is built on commodity-money relations.....

I don't know, but I think there are a lot of products to be sold, there could be new as we all know with that advent of social media, sales are ramping up and for me, there are always new product and innovations around the world and there will be always be balance of consumers=product itself.

Most likely it boils down to the cost of the product, perhaps these innovators wanted it to be cheap, sacrificing the quality itself.

However, I still do think that there are a lot for everyone it might be that the market is really saturated at this point.

There are laws of the market that cannot be circumvented.
You cannot sell a product that is not needed by the market or has no customers. There is no point in inventing 100500 variants of the same product, just because you want to “get creative”

Yes, there should be a choice, there should be competition, there should be a vector of development and innovations.... But the process of creation for the sake of the process of creation cannot be put in the forefront. One should also realize that “inventing new products” can be quite complicated and costly, which means that it will affect the final price of the product, and if accurate - it will increase it a lot, which will reduce the potential range of consumers.... In short - everything needs a balance

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Quote from: eightdots on October 22, 2024, 03:20:01 PM

Quote from: letteredhub on October 22, 2024, 02:46:01 PM

The world has mainly evolved but it's however unfortunate it's involving fast to a hard landing surface where just a pretty few elites are benefiting mostly from everything in a teeming population of over 8 billion people. Capitalist ideal has characterized the world today that scarcely can we have any invention created without been monetized, which in all essence people don't invent forbthe sole purpose of improving humans lives but for their best interest, and I think with where we have reached there's nothing that can be done about it.

The desire to earn money quickly pushes the new generation and many people to do easy jobs. They do not have the desire to learn a craft. It is not right to blame them for this because they live in such a time and there are options to earn money on social media. The important point is whether this income will be a permanent income. There is a lot of talk about education, some say that the duration of education is too long, and some say that they will not be able to have a profession that will provide them with a living as a result of education.

As time passed, it became difficult to access inventions or things that benefit people. Money was prioritized in many things and therefore the world lost some of its values.

Majorly not everyone can invent but everyone can consume and that's entails why a lot of persons prefer going in search for a job than spending time and limited resources to create or invent anything outstanding which profoundly solves a societal problem.

In the area of learning any craft work, the world perspective made it that way. If you haven't pass through the four walls of a college or university to owning a degree (with the prospect of getting a whitecolllar job) but only with just one craft skill you don't get that much respect as someone who's termed a graduate would be accorded. Except in few cases where you got to make something extraordinary that distinguishes you.

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Quote from: viljy on October 26, 2024, 05:02:59 AM

90% of consumers are middle class. In about ~30 years, the middle class will be completely eliminated by the super-rich, as this class is no longer needed. The middle class was created by the rich out of fear of communism. Now that the Cold War has been won, the middle class is not needed. So there will be fewer consumers. As for the many smart people you write about, the super-rich don't need these smart people in large numbers. A few hundred or thousands of super-intelligent slaves are enough for them. The rest will all be just slaves. And there won't be many others, perhaps no more than 500 million on the whole planet. The super-rich will destroy the extra people. Don't you like this prospect? But there's nothing to be done. Everything has already been decided by the globalists.

Well, I have a slightly different opinion. The middle class is the engine of the economy - they produce and they consume. And they do a LOT of both. It is under these conditions that a country's economy works qualitatively. Poor population = weak economy. The super-rich need power, and power is not a primitive slave system with poor and backward people, but a progressive one, with technology, a working economy, the right electorate that enjoys life ...

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90% of consumers are middle class. In about ~30 years, the middle class will be completely eliminated by the super-rich, as this class is no longer needed. The middle class was created by the rich out of fear of communism. Now that the Cold War has been won, the middle class is not needed. So there will be fewer consumers. As for the many smart people you write about, the super-rich don't need these smart people in large numbers. A few hundred or thousands of super-intelligent slaves are enough for them. The rest will all be just slaves. And there won't be many others, perhaps no more than 500 million on the whole planet. The super-rich will destroy the extra people. Don't you like this prospect? But there's nothing to be done. Everything has already been decided by the globalists.

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Quote from: DrBeer on October 25, 2024, 04:03:55 PM

Quote from: Shortmaster on October 15, 2024, 05:12:30 AM

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
.....

On the one hand, you're right. More specifically, in terms of idealizing the world. But... the problem is that if there are not MORE consumers, there will be no one to consume all these innovations and their products, which means that no one will pay and motivate the “creators” to take the next steps and create new products and services. Unfortunately, the real market is built on commodity-money relations.....

I don't know, but I think there are a lot of products to be sold, there could be new as we all know with that advent of social media, sales are ramping up and for me, there are always new product and innovations around the world and there will be always be balance of consumers=product itself.

Most likely it boils down to the cost of the product, perhaps these innovators wanted it to be cheap, sacrificing the quality itself.

However, I still do think that there are a lot for everyone it might be that the market is really saturated at this point.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 25, 2024, 08:12:34 AM

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

in other words, sains and its enthusiasts are looking for more information, with many continuing to research, but from the perspective of certain groups of people, because firstly the expenditure is quite large, and they also expect to get back what they spend, so that the finances obtained from research are more, that is something that usually happens.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on October 25, 2024, 08:12:34 AM

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

The trick to make people be interested in science seems to be two possibilities, either the research should lead them closer to a noble prize or anything like that, as in a respect in the field they work on, or they need to make a lot of money from it. These are usually not the same type of people, but there could be some overlapped as well.

People who want respect, end up focusing on things that may not end up getting too much money, because they work on things that will not help the world in the sense that it would be profitable, but it will help the world solve another puzzle, the ones who want money though, will solve a solution so important, we would all be willing to spend our money to get our hands o nit, so that is why these two are usually separate. In any case, I can see how this will progress the world, the more research we do, the more we are going to get better results and be happy, it shouldn't really be something on debate, we need to keep putting more money into research and development.

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Quote from: Shortmaster on October 15, 2024, 05:12:30 AM

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
.....

On the one hand, you're right. More specifically, in terms of idealizing the world. But... the problem is that if there are not MORE consumers, there will be no one to consume all these innovations and their products, which means that no one will pay and motivate the “creators” to take the next steps and create new products and services. Unfortunately, the real market is built on commodity-money relations.....

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Quote from: Accardo on October 23, 2024, 05:35:19 AM

Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 22, 2024, 05:36:04 PM

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Haven't you noticed the huge decline in people interested in natural sciences? That wasn't same few centuries back, when people learnt all core sciences; physics and chemistry, and put them into practice. Those courses helped creativity and improved the way humans think. Even in the tech world, programmers who have a great knowledge of science build the best innovative software that helps change the world.

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

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Quote from: shield132 on October 22, 2024, 01:11:50 PM

If there are more than enough manufacturers and producers, then why are things unaffordable for people?

Because they ask more than people can give. Companies don't make products based on people's actual needs or their average salary (even if they try to show us as they did) but based on their profit. If people get paid more, then probably this "problem" will be solved. But you know, this isn't a one-solution problem.

Quote from: shield132 on October 22, 2024, 01:11:50 PM

Everything has to be balanced.

Balance is lost years now man and we are unable to do a thing. Companies do whatever they want everywhere while governments don't give the slightest attention to their citizen's needs and act like brokerages of their countries by selling even the air that they breathe.

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Quote from: mindrust on October 22, 2024, 12:37:49 PM

Actually it t is the other way around, there are more than enough manufacturers/producers/creators. We need more consumers. That’s how capitalism works. If everybody makes stuff, who is going to pay for the stuff? More creators mean more competition. More competition means, less profits for the businesses. If the number of consumers increase, profit margins will rise. Many developed nations take immigrants into their countries because of that reason alone. It is because their enlightened citizens refuse make damn kids. They need them poor stupid immigrants that multiply like rabbits. It is good for the economy and capitalism. Yay

I will disagree with you a little base on my country of origin where practically everything is imported. This leaves room for more businesses, manufacturers, innovators and so on, to harness the vast natural resources and convert them to finished products for both internal consumption and export. At present, most of our raw materials such as crude oil and mineral deposits are exported due to non-existence of the manufacturing sector. This is actually not the fault of anyone but just a result of failure in leadership.

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Quote from: shield132 on October 22, 2024, 01:11:50 PM

If there are more than enough manufacturers and producers, then why are things unaffordable for people? Many people work overtimes and live paycheck to paycheck, can't afford more than food and it takes them years to buy a car or smartphone.

That is because of inflation, and just because there are more than enough manufacturers, it doesn't mean there won't be inflation in a region. Every manufacturer will have its own demand and price for its products. When there is high inflation, product costs increase which makes them increase the prices of the products even more because they have to cover product cost and their profit as well.

Quote from: shield132 on October 22, 2024, 01:11:50 PM

I think that more competition makes things affordable.

Yes but not all the time. Sometimes, especially when there is high inflation in a country, competition doesn't help get the prices of goods down and the reason behind that is probably what I said above. The production cost increases which compels them to increase the price of the gids.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 22, 2024, 05:36:04 PM

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Haven't you noticed the huge decline in people interested in natural sciences? That wasn't same few centuries back, when people learnt all core sciences; physics and chemistry, and put them into practice. Those courses helped creativity and improved the way humans think. Even in the tech world, programmers who have a great knowledge of science build the best innovative software that helps change the world.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 22, 2024, 05:36:04 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on October 18, 2024, 05:54:47 AM

OP, I suggest you to create shorter posts because it's too long for the idea that you put into it. Yes, you could very shortly write that your main idea is how lesser and lesser innovators and more unskilled people we have.
At the moment, I don't like the direction we are heading towards. It looks like we prioritize fun and entertainment instead of science, engineering, biology and chemistry. It's not like that these field are dead, no, there are innovations but not at the rate you want OP and I think that's normal. Usually, wars accelerate these fields and improved quality of life decreases motivation to work in these fields because it's easier to have a good life by less mental and physical effort.
By the way, do not worry, there is a natural selection in this world, which will always do its job. If there is a demand, there will be a supply, that will happen quickly. Just have a look how rapidly medicine and absolutely everything advanced in a few decades during World Wars.

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Well, We know that a number of good scientists are there into the world but scarcity of fund is often the biggest factor that hinders it to invent something new. Still, when the Covid nineteen crisis came, we were able to note how researchers from different global countries started pulling their selves together, cooperating and going to thescenes with full effort in order to come up with emergent interventions, including vaccines. Despite time constraint, the group was able to mobilize on existing resources and transfer knowledge towards attainment of a particular goal in mind. This shows how crucial supporter ship and cooperation is in order to solve some of the big issues facing science and health internationally.

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Quote from: Synchronice on October 18, 2024, 05:54:47 AM

OP, I suggest you to create shorter posts because it's too long for the idea that you put into it. Yes, you could very shortly write that your main idea is how lesser and lesser innovators and more unskilled people we have.
At the moment, I don't like the direction we are heading towards. It looks like we prioritize fun and entertainment instead of science, engineering, biology and chemistry. It's not like that these field are dead, no, there are innovations but not at the rate you want OP and I think that's normal. Usually, wars accelerate these fields and improved quality of life decreases motivation to work in these fields because it's easier to have a good life by less mental and physical effort.
By the way, do not worry, there is a natural selection in this world, which will always do its job. If there is a demand, there will be a supply, that will happen quickly. Just have a look how rapidly medicine and absolutely everything advanced in a few decades during World Wars.

Think of the fact that we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast. In this event, it showed that the world of science can make things happen if they want to at a short notice. Since private companies funded a lot of these works, money was not a problem but the time.
With this scenario - it can show that if scientists are being well-equipped, they can do a lot more things for a short period of time. And that means, money and resources are very important to push thru certain advancements because skilled people are already available.

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Most inventors who created many important things we use today didn't monetise their inventions. They invented these things to make the world better. But we have the opposite now where almost everything is done for profit. The young generation doesn't care about going to school and learning professional courses. Even those in school are more focused on creating contents and promoting them on social media and earning quick money. The younger generation has a common slogan in my country "School is a scam". They prefer to join the race of social media celebrities who flaunt their wealth rather than become struggling professionals.

The world has mainly evolved but it's however unfortunate it's involving fast to a hard landing surface where just a pretty few elites are benefiting mostly from everything in a teeming population of over 8 billion people. Capitalist ideal has characterized the world today that scarcely can we have any invention created without been monetized, which in all essence people don't invent forbthe sole purpose of improving humans lives but for their best interest, and I think with where we have reached there's nothing that can be done about it.

The desire to earn money quickly pushes the new generation and many people to do easy jobs. They do not have the desire to learn a craft. It is not right to blame them for this because they live in such a time and there are options to earn money on social media. The important point is whether this income will be a permanent income. There is a lot of talk about education, some say that the duration of education is too long, and some say that they will not be able to have a profession that will provide them with a living as a result of education.

As time passed, it became difficult to access inventions or things that benefit people. Money was prioritized in many things and therefore the world lost some of its values.

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