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January 05, 2023, 07:20:51 PM
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Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?

I love board games, especially those that require more reasoning, obviously Chess is one of my favorite sports.
In my school days, chess was a frequent activity, while most of my colleagues preferred to play ball between classes, some friends and I would go to a chess table.
However, I never bet on Chess, it was always just a very fun pastime.

Currently Chess betting games seem to be in decline, I looked around here and didn't find anything that was interesting or reliable to bet on, and I believe that the trend is for it to become increasingly scarce.

Currently people prefer to bet on a game that is faster and has more action, unfortunately bookmakers follow this trend by increasingly eliminating bets on games that are less popular.
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January 05, 2023, 06:56:53 PM
#56
Chess is skill based and I'm not that good in chess. These kind of P2P games when played with friends it'll be very interesting. Maybe I'll try with my girl, because she's better in chess and have won in her college days. If I was to play against the system, then I won't prefer it. Because for every move we do, the system is assigned with specific moves and the match can't be won.
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January 05, 2023, 06:51:31 PM
#55
I personally wouldn't be betting on chess matches at all because I am not any good at chess.  Now if you're asking if I would bet against say professional chess players facing off in some sort of tournament, then if I got really bored I might be talked in to putting a few satoshis down on a game.  However if you mean like placing bets in favor of you/yourself facing someone else or a buddy, I wouldn't just because I'm not any good, but if I was I sure as heck would.  Why not.

Edit: though there is some concern about players cheating of late..so that gives me some pause.

do you really think that cheating scandal is true? or the other veteran player was butt hurt that he was beaten by a younger one? though i don't know the truth about that situation, and  won't bet in professional chess matches. hard to wait who will emerge as winner.or if you are rooting for certain players, maybe. but not betting with big amount of money.
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January 05, 2023, 06:46:26 PM
#54
I personally wouldn't be betting on chess matches at all because I am not any good at chess.  Now if you're asking if I would bet against say professional chess players facing off in some sort of tournament, then if I got really bored I might be talked in to putting a few satoshis down on a game.  However if you mean like placing bets in favor of you/yourself facing someone else or a buddy, I wouldn't just because I'm not any good, but if I was I sure as heck would.  Why not.

Edit: though there is some concern about players cheating of late..so that gives me some pause.
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January 05, 2023, 06:43:19 PM
#53
as far as I know, they are already doing this. there is even a ranking for the best chess engine out there.

Of course! There's the FIDE rank, and there are sites that match you online with others based on your rank. That doesn't mean it's safe from cheaters.
huh? the part you quoted is an answer to goldkingcoiner interest in AI vs AI chess. I am just informing him that developers are already making matches between two AI chess engines to know which one is better.

Chess is a game based on skills not luck. This makes this a game not worth betting on in our AI age. Even back when AI did not exist we had computers who could easily defeat world champion chess players using simple lines of code with a well defined algorithm.

In other words, I am saying its a game in which it is too easy to cheat, if your opponent is human.
I think OP is referring to "over-the-board chess tournaments" and not online.

Rigged and fixed games happen so yeah it is easy to cheat in this game.

that is basically almost every sport. anyway, goldkingcoiner is talking about cheating by using AI against a human.
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January 05, 2023, 06:40:11 PM
#52
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?
^ Yes of course.
This is my favorite game before when I was in college but now, it is occasionally I played once I have a vacant time together with my relatives.
But it is different in gambling casino that has this kind of game, probably in live betting but it is hard to find someone online that we don't know if our opponent is a bot or an areal human. Chess tournament is very common now if they have a live online sometimes it is good to place a bet especially if you know very well the player.
When im still on college then this is a game where i do really have the fun the most and now when i do already have my own family then i did teach my son about it.Yes, its entertaining and enjoyable but not

something that would really be fitting out on gambling field or industry or on casinos.Most users had already mentioned out about its disadvantages and for sure it wont really be that a main choice
for most casino platforms.

It would be great if there's someone who would really be offering but im not really that expecting much because it would be always basing up with the demand.
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January 05, 2023, 06:08:10 PM
#51
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?

I used to play chess with my friends and often times we bet on the outcome.  Bettin on chess isn't new to me so whenever there is a site where we can bet on checkers or chess, I would go and bet on the upcoming matches. 

Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry.
if there is a large number of people who are going to bet on it every time there is a tournament, maybe. I've noticed bookmakers usually only post odds on sports that are very popular and have a very large community.

Well for bookmakers its all business so rather than booking a less popular event for betting, they will book the one that they thing will gather more profits.  Besides, they don't want to saturate their listings making the bigger event to be missed out by their client.

Chess is a game based on skills not luck. This makes this a game not worth betting on in our AI age. Even back when AI did not exist we had computers who could easily defeat world champion chess players using simple lines of code with a well defined algorithm.

In other words, I am saying its a game in which it is too easy to cheat, if your opponent is human.
I think OP is referring to "over-the-board chess tournaments" and not online.

Rigged and fixed games happen so yeah it is easy to cheat in this game.
legendary
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January 05, 2023, 05:53:46 PM
#50
as far as I know, they are already doing this. there is even a ranking for the best chess engine out there.

Of course! There's the FIDE rank, and there are sites that match you online with others based on your rank. That doesn't mean it's safe from cheaters.

I know how to play but I'm not a real fan. I can watch a game but after a while it bores me. I wouldn't bet on chess matches simply because I like to watch games or fights that I bet on and I just don't enjoy chess as much as I enjoy MMA or Boxing.
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January 05, 2023, 05:26:32 PM
#49
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry.
if there is a large number of people who are going to bet on it every time there is a tournament, maybe. I've noticed bookmakers usually only post odds on sports that are very popular and have a very large community.

Chess is a game based on skills not luck. This makes this a game not worth betting on in our AI age. Even back when AI did not exist we had computers who could easily defeat world champion chess players using simple lines of code with a well defined algorithm.

In other words, I am saying its a game in which it is too easy to cheat, if your opponent is human.
I think OP is referring to "over-the-board chess tournaments" and not online.

Although you know what would be interesting? AI vs AI chess. The best AI (developer) wins. That is something I would bet on!
as far as I know, they are already doing this. there is even a ranking for the best chess engine out there.
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January 05, 2023, 05:20:10 PM
#48
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?
^ Yes of course.
This is my favorite game before when I was in college but now, it is occasionally I played once I have a vacant time together with my relatives.
But it is different in gambling casino that has this kind of game, probably in live betting but it is hard to find someone online that we don't know if our opponent is a bot or an areal human. Chess tournament is very common now if they have a live online sometimes it is good to place a bet especially if you know very well the player.
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January 05, 2023, 05:17:52 PM
#47
It's something sweet to bet on but it's somewhat impossible to set that up -- Cus who's gonna play against who? Or better still, it could be arranged in a way the bettor wagers and play -- out of his built-in passion for the game in question -- with another bettor,....when any of them gets to loose eventually, no one gets the blame....lol
Employing AIs to play against themselves would also be a good option as goldking proposed... Another important thing to consider is; how often would bettors get to win on this?? Since it's pretty obvious that the whole thing would be programmed?? ... secondly, if it were to happen (cus I know we're merely assuming), don't you think the casino that'll have this options for it gamblers would also suffer the risk of running a business over a huge uncertainty?? Just being curious though

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January 05, 2023, 05:13:19 PM
#46
So far I've never understood how to play chess let alone bet there, but I thought was this kind of gambling safe from the mafia who could arrange winners so that people lose at this gamble, I'm more interested in soccer or basketball matches because it's easier to get to know the players and the club
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January 05, 2023, 04:28:14 PM
#45
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?

Chess is a game based on skills not luck. This makes this a game not worth betting on in our AI age. Even back when AI did not exist we had computers who could easily defeat world champion chess players using simple lines of code with a well defined algorithm.

In other words, I am saying its a game in which it is too easy to cheat, if your opponent is human.

Although you know what would be interesting? AI vs AI chess. The best AI (developer) wins. That is something I would bet on!
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January 05, 2023, 04:06:43 PM
#44
I have gained my interest on chess upon seeing those grand masters playing against each other. And I've seen threads in here that have also discussions about chess.

As for betting with chess matches, honestly, I don't want to see it added with some bets. But as we know, every sport is just too good to have that thrill with betting.

Of course, it's all about the professional matches and not with the AI/computer matches, who would bet with that?   Tongue
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January 05, 2023, 03:58:07 PM
#43
I don't know much about chess, although I know how to play it. I probably don't need a chess betting site. In my opinion, chess is unpopular with those who like to bet. If you want to bet on the victory of your favourite chess player then that's your choice. But I prefer more dynamic sports.
There are some that are still willing to bet on a game like this, personally I prefer to bet on a more active sports so with this, I will also not place a bet on a chess. This mind game is quiet not my type since I’m also not familiar with the players which I think is more complicated if you will place a bet. If there’s a site offering this kind of bet, I think they should market it more so gamblers can have interest on that.
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January 05, 2023, 03:45:32 PM
#42
I don't know much about chess, although I know how to play it. I probably don't need a chess betting site. In my opinion, chess is unpopular with those who like to bet. If you want to bet on the victory of your favourite chess player then that's your choice. But I prefer more dynamic sports.
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January 05, 2023, 03:35:01 PM
#41
Chess is a very skillful game which I love playing with my husband till date,he taught me how to play and very funny sometimes I do win him with just some moves. As long it is a game betting must be at stake,I will love to see it in an online casino but I don't know if there is any. I can bet on it if I know the capacity of how good the person playing is but this game has a lot of cheat in it,I guess that is why it is not in an online casino.
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January 05, 2023, 03:33:27 PM
#40
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?

I would bet on a P2P game and not computer chess games,in 1996 we had the Champion of the World beat by AI at that time and it was one of the biggest surprises so I am never betting on a computer controlled chess game,the AI has become super powerful as of lately so I can only imagine what such a computer can do even to the World Champion.

I don't know such site exist and chess is not a popular casino game from what I have seen from almost all the casinos that I have played so the only way I can bet is in a chess tournament to people playing there,kinda like PokerStars in Tv,you can bet on them as far as I know.
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January 05, 2023, 03:31:05 PM
#39
Chess tournaments as well as checkers may be a good sports field for the betting industry. I know I would bet in a chess match as I already did that against a friend. We have gathered a group pf players in my neighbourhood. Thrn we started with a betting game where we could bet on the winner ot we could bet on first player going for a check. Ithe experiment worked out fine. So, if there was a site where you could bet on checkers or chess would you go for it?

As long as it's properly moderated and managed, with a decent competition build up to knock out any lower quality players, then it is as likely to be a fair sport to bet on as any other. However unless someones reputation and a long winning streak is on the line, it is possible for one of the two players to lose by choice quite easily with just one move. You also have to remember that these might be some of the most intelligent people on the planet and might be very tempted to fix a match if the right sort of money was on offer. It is not exactly a thrilling spectator sport for most people compared to other more adrenaline filled activities or even just the very visually stimulating game of football.
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January 05, 2023, 03:12:33 PM
#38
Personally I would, but knowing that the top chess players are very predictable when it comes to their circles, I wouldn't really risk it not until it's in the championship game. Magnus has already expressed his annoyance about GMs continuously using book moves just to win, and with them knowing a lot of these moves, progressions, and all that sort of stuff, it's just a matter of who really read the theories more and who has a lot more creativity in their positions.

In the lower elos, say 2400 - 2700, it might be possible to bet on those GMs but they're very unpredictable compared to the GMs in 2800+. As what Hikaru Nakamura once said in his streams, those in 2400 - 2700s are still playing "unrefined" chess and they can be very unpredictable, and are more prone to errors compared to the 'refined' GMs in 2800+.

Of course, this is only if we're talking about betting on professional chess players. But if I were the one to play chess against other enemies? Hell no. I can't even surpass 1800 in online chess even if they say that it's a relatively easy elo to get through Cheesy

A draw is the most common result between top players in the world. Soon the tournament will start in the Netherlands, Tata Steel chess tournament. I would never bet on blitz games, those games can go in any direction. At a classic pace of play, the better players generally emerge. There are also often games that quickly end in a draw. You should think of games between compatriots or that they can secure a shared tournament victory in this way. There might be some value in that.

True. Playing for draws is what the current meta is for chess, as most grandmasters are very familiar with endgames and such that it's only a mix of creativity to play from whichever position. In blitz, these GMs need to think 4 or more moves ahead in order to keep up with the pace of the game, whereas in classic they can employ their own thought process as if they're solving a chess puzzle online, which results into good moves and better plays.
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