Would you gamble in a league with serious allegations of collusion?

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I have never heard a case like this in Germany or in Austria for example which are two of the most strict European countries regarding their laws.

There has been some match fixing in Germany in the past, the last publicly covered one was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

Thought as much, I don't believe there's any league where such activity doesn't occur. Some might be obvious than the others but if you play close attention, you'll observe some irregularities in all the league. The VAR is one of those feature that make decisions to favor some clubs over the others and this can be used to manipulate matches. The referee too are also guilty as they tend to be soft on some clubs (players) while been hard on the others.

Concerning the topic title, I won't mind placing a bet in a league with serious allegations of collision not minding the risk involved as far it could still be profitable putting into consideration they are opportunities everywhere.

This is another point I have always talked about in different threads here in the forum.The referee has a big impact on the game outcome if he decides to do so.I have only rarely seen real punishments to referees which clearly have acted in favor of one team.

I think you dont need to waste your time in that kind of betting because surely they can manipulate the possible winning in gamble games. For me its better to find another gambling site which is have no secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose because you can get more opportunities when your in the right gambling site.

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Quote from: swogerino on January 30, 2020, 05:24:06 AM

I have never heard a case like this in Germany or in Austria for example which are two of the most strict European countries regarding their laws.

There has been some match fixing in Germany in the past, the last publicly covered one was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

Thought as much, I don't believe there's any league where such activity doesn't occur. Some might be obvious than the others but if you play close attention, you'll observe some irregularities in all the league. The VAR is one of those feature that make decisions to favor some clubs over the others and this can be used to manipulate matches. The referee too are also guilty as they tend to be soft on some clubs (players) while been hard on the others.

Concerning the topic title, I won't mind placing a bet in a league with serious allegations of collision not minding the risk involved as far it could still be profitable putting into consideration they are opportunities everywhere.

This is another point I have always talked about in different threads here in the forum.The referee has a big impact on the game outcome if he decides to do so.I have only rarely seen real punishments to referees which clearly have acted in favor of one team.

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on March 04, 2020, 02:26:44 AM

Thought as much, I don't believe there's any league where such activity doesn't occur. Some might be obvious than the others but if you play close attention, you'll observe some irregularities in all the league. The VAR is one of those feature that make decisions to favor some clubs over the others and this can be used to manipulate matches. The referee too are also guilty as they tend to be soft on some clubs (players) while been hard on the others.

Concerning the topic title, I won't mind placing a bet in a league with serious allegations of collision not minding the risk involved as far it could still be profitable putting into consideration they are opportunities everywhere.

I think swogerino and Ty are right, and we all remember Italy from 10 years ago also had bad matchfixing scandals that even caused Juventus to be stripped off their titles (such bad luck for those not involved). But I think OP also has a point in that like some leagues even where I come from, there is no way to monitor the smaller teams and amateur leagues. I would never bet on them.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on January 30, 2020, 01:02:22 PM

Quote from: swogerino on January 30, 2020, 05:24:06 AM

I have never heard a case like this in Germany or in Austria for example which are two of the most strict European countries regarding their laws.

There has been some match fixing in Germany in the past, the last publicly covered one was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

Thought as much, I don't believe there's any league where such activity doesn't occur. Some might be obvious than the others but if you play close attention, you'll observe some irregularities in all the league. The VAR is one of those feature that make decisions to favor some clubs over the others and this can be used to manipulate matches. The referee too are also guilty as they tend to be soft on some clubs (players) while been hard on the others.

Concerning the topic title, I won't mind placing a bet in a league with serious allegations of collision not minding the risk involved as far it could still be profitable putting into consideration they are opportunities everywhere.

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Quote from: alani123 on January 30, 2020, 03:49:56 AM

Of course, owners of most teams have received serious accusations of match fixing, but courts and committees somehow clear them. Moreover, there's no authority in Greece that can take into account anonymous accusations and witness protection in Greece has proved worthless.

My question is towards gamblers however. Would you gamble on a 'dirty' league? Greek league comes under accusation of collusion, match fixing and team leaders using hooligans of teams for whatever thuggish purposes. Foreign leagues are becoming more popular among Greek gamblers for these reasons, but the majority still bet on Greek matches. Just makes me wonder.

Here in our country in our basketball league, three teams are own by one company, but there are no allegations of fixing, it's up to the league to see if there are game fixing on how the players and the team plays, the league must do everything to keep the league clean because sales ticket and support will dwindle if they cannot keep the league clean.

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Oh, Greek league is really dirty, I follow sometimes what's going on there and it's crazy. Almost every matchday ends with scandals. They even invite foreign referees for big games.
League of my country is also one of dirtiest in Europe and I bet on it a lot. I don't have inside info, but it's not difficult to see which games is fixed. It's enough to see squad of suspicious team, how players behave on pitch, how odds are changing. But you have to react fast, because bookmakers often remove such games or odds become too low.
Usually they are fixing goals over and margin. Last season I remember one ridiculous thing when fixers team concedef 6 goals just in 26 minutes. Unfortunately, I haven't saw what odds for first half over 5.5 was. So after all, 2 teams were banned from competition eith ~20 suspicious games.

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I think collusion happens everywhere in gambling, but different percentages across different countries.

When it comes gambling, it doesn't matter which League, what matters is the fact that you understand the league and the bet you are placing.

FOR me now, i gamble alot on (1-4 goals scored). It doesn't matter the collusion as long as i can get 3 correct away or home teams to score 1-4 goals.

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Gambling is gambling, fixed or not. There will still money that will flow on this even in the league with fixed-game related issues in the past. It will not change the mindset of the gamblers.

Definitely, I will still put money here:

-prior betting, we don't know that the match is fixed
-if I have a reputable insider
-if I see that certain speculation about the fixed-match is close on happening

And besides, this fixed-match can't just be executed or done in a big-league easily. These leagues are regulated so for bettors, they are still playing with the chances just like the usual normal betting without the involvement of fixed-game.

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I will still gamble I don't think players can do this stuff a match-fixing. Playing football is not about the money I was once in a sport in my school days winning is a very great feeling. But you can't remove the fact that the owner can do this kind of stuff just for money but I guess players will do what they always do, the will to win.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on March 03, 2020, 03:36:11 PM

As said above, fixed and rigged matches is not something new and many gamblers spend a lot of money on tipsters.
I won't do it if you ask me, even if the result is 100% guaranteed as it's against the hole purpose of gambling which is having fun and enjoying the adrenaline rush.
Not to mention that 99% of those tipsters are scammers.

I won't also. Because if the match is rigged and you know the expected result, how can you enjoy the game while watching it? Unless, at the time of my betting, I badly needed money and I need an assurance that I will win that match. Otherwise, I won't. One more thing, most of the time you can't rely the authenticity of those tipsters.

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As said above, fixed and rigged matches is not something new and many gamblers spend a lot of money on tipsters.
I won't do it if you ask me, even if the result is 100% guaranteed as it's against the hole purpose of gambling which is having fun and enjoying the adrenaline rush.
Not to mention that 99% of those tipsters are scammers.

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There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

same here . i dont care with thier issues and that is not my problem anymore . its fine as long as they play properly , what i only dont like to see is if there are accidental issues during the game that will affect my betting and worst is id loose the match . cant imagine if that happens but i guess i will complain and file a report against them . so far , i dont experience simillar cases to this and i dont also know how op find those allegations because what i only look for is the players stats and thier previous plays , not thier entire biography .

Accidents is being part of being rigged? I dont really believe that much but its possible.Overall same as you said i dont really much care
into their reputation as long they do play well on a particular game.Outside matters is just their own business and these illegal acts
isnt really something new into this industry.So to answer if i would still gamble? Of course.

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Ah this reminds me of the Calciopoli scandal but without narcotics trafficking. So damn insane...

IMO, if I don't have insiders, I would not bet there since they could rape uninformed bettors easily. It's like Manchester United this season lol. Jokes aside, better stay away if the accusations prove to be correct.

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Quote from: Ucy on March 03, 2020, 05:52:39 AM

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Quote from: Janation on January 31, 2020, 06:51:24 AM

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

I guess this is about fixing matches and other related sports corruption.
Well, it matter. I believe rules are made for good reasons. If people think the reason is no longer relevant, citizens should come together and agree on a new rule.
If such rules never had any good purpose (like what it's trying to prevent is harmless/good/safe), maybe was passed based on emotions, incorrect information or biases(afterall humans are not very good at being perfect), then you should still not go about encouraging people to break it. Whether you experiment with it in secluded places, like your home, is upto you. If you truely believe it is harmless and/or good, then let the community know about your experiment, and understand it... They will then likely decide to change it in a way that really safe for them.

Match fixing of some games had been bringing the game especially football or soccer into disrupute some officials do collude with players to fix matches so as to favor an anonymous gambler to win big thus breaking the rules my stand is that those involved should be brought to book so as to serve as a deterrent to other culprits.
Fifa should throughly investigate the Greek football authorities involved in the alleged fixing and sanction them appropriately.

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Money is a serious matter that should be taken extra care off with especially when engaging in gambling. Gamblers should always consider what could possibly happen after they take risks. The answer should be obvious as to why should people not entertain leagues with those kind of background as the possibility that a lose of money is guaranteed. People also should not involve with this kind of business so that the organizers of the said league will lose confidence and gambling participants that most probably make them stop what negative things they are doing. The outcome for this is still on the hands of the people to be responsible to the things they get into and support better leagues.

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Quote from: Janation on January 31, 2020, 06:51:24 AM

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

This very mindset to me is causing harm indirectly. Team owners in some leagues have proven that they an get away with anything, from match fixing to narco-traficking. Pumping money into betting that we know they can fix, is just earning them a bigger cut from their winnings based on their ability to fix results. The money is not maybe affecting the team's outlook, but ends up in the team owner's pocket to fund more criminal acts or launder some of their criminal earnings.

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Quote from: Janation on January 31, 2020, 06:51:24 AM

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

same here . i dont care with thier issues and that is not my problem anymore . its fine as long as they play properly , what i only dont like to see is if there are accidental issues during the game that will affect my betting and worst is id loose the match . cant imagine if that happens but i guess i will complain and file a report against them . so far , i dont experience simillar cases to this and i dont also know how op find those allegations because what i only look for is the players stats and thier previous plays , not thier entire biography .

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Quote from: MWesterweele on March 03, 2020, 05:04:24 AM

Quote from: Janation on January 31, 2020, 06:51:24 AM

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

I guess this is about fixing matches and other related sports corruption.
Well, it matter. I believe rules are made for good reasons. If people think the reason is no longer relevant, citizens should come together and agree on a new rule.
If such rules never had any good purpose (like what it's trying to prevent is harmless/good/safe), maybe was passed based on emotions, incorrect information or biases(afterall humans are not very good at being perfect), then you should still not go about encouraging people to break it. Whether you experiment with it in secluded places, like your home, is upto you. If you truely believe it is harmless and/or good, then let the community know about your experiment, and understand it... They will then likely decide to change it in a way that really safe for them.

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Quote from: Janation on January 31, 2020, 06:51:24 AM

There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

For me it doesnt matter as long as it can caused me harm particularly in my money. Also that kind of transaction in gambling is sometimes happen, and no one care about it because they only mind the result of their betting. So if you have problem to that kind of gamble then you should find another games, which satisfy you.

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There are a lot of rumors in the past about bad things in every team, every time I heard it it is so annoying up to the point that it doesn't matter to me anymore.

All I want to do is just bet on that team no matter what. There might be a player that is hated by the people, or a scandal happened, what matters is that that team is the team I support and no matter what, I will bet on them. The money is not affecting them nonetheless so I think it doesn't matter at all whether I bet or not on them.

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