Topic: Would you gamble in a league with serious allegations of collusion? - page 2. (Read 475 times)

The premise of match fixing is that there's money to be made on unsuspecting people and bookmakers.
The fewer people that know this, the easiest it is to profit greatly from it. In leagues without an avenue for players to report extortion and threats anonymously, this is very easy to be done. Just get thugs to blackmail the players, and matches can be easily fixed. Unfortunately, Greek league is like that and team owners are proven to be criminals. So it isn't unlikely that many of their matches are fixed by threatening unwilling players. Although, through the years, they might have found ways to make entire teams do it willingly even.

This is very interesting.
I guess  match fixing doesn't happen in all the small/unpopular leagues. Some small league matches i watched in the past looked really legit. If players were faking those moves (and emotions) then they were really good at faking them.

Skilled sports bettors (who rely on fair play) will likely not do well betting on fixed matches.

Correct me if i'm wrong but matches fixing usually can be identified after those matches itself and we can't know it early since the matches begin so technically people doesn't know when they bets for particular sports which is those matches fixing by some people or not and my personal opinion is yes i will still bets on the sports matches regularly so it will not change anything for me because the gamblers only bets and see after matches whether their bets results will won or lost

Actually things like this also happen in several leagues both proven and unproven.
Bettors certainly will not know about the fix match before the scandal is finally revealed.
I think that bettor will bet in leagues that have interesting matches to watch and usually leagues with scandals like this are unattractive matches and end up losing interest from bettors, but whatever it is if I have to choose I won't bet on a league that is proven to have a match-fixing.

We can't really determine if a certain match is a game-fixed or not so in here, we can't do anything if we already place our bet and just wait for the output. But for let's say, we do have legit sources that a certain game is fixed, I will not place a bet here at first and will observe what will happen the next matches.

Even the league does have a serious allegation, not all parties are involved there. Punish those involved and continue the league games.

Provided odds also plays a big role if ever I will consider placing a bet for suspected games that might be game-fixed. The idea of placing bets on those suspected fixed matches is not new anymore here in our country.

But if we look at this game-fixing in general, it rarely* happens on the global sports league. There are big punishments associated with this and I doubt most of the team owners, refs, the board of governors, players, etc. will risk their respective careers for that.

I'm also likely to stay away from this type of games unless I'm not really aware of it and it tends to be like that. But for those professional bettors that has been in this kind of setting, aware or not, they wouldn't mind about it. As long as they can continue with their plan, bet with each match, depends on the odds or base on their analysis, they'll just bet as is. I think that's the perspective of those bettors that are really experienced in sports betting.

I still would, especially if I know the game. Being a gambler playing sports betting, I learned that majority of the sports can be rig so I wouldn't just trust my analysis based on the stats, instead, I relied on my instinct but always consider that betting against the public is a good strategy as in fix games, the public usually lose.

I always knew there was something fishy about the Greece leagues. Most especially their super league. Some things just didn't felt right and I was correct. Knowing what I know now, I don't think I would be patronizing any Greece market any time soon. There's no point predicting match outcomes if the results have already been decided. About dual ownership, I think that's f**ked up. It will be a complete bs especially when both teams face each other. I'm stay clear of Greece markets henceforth.

This game was fixed some 15-16 years ago and I actually bet on it, knowing it was fixed:



See more here: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/panionios-athen_dinamo-tiflis/index/spielbericht/30747

It was fixed to HT/FT Tbilisi/Athens. I never looked for fixed matches, but it was mentioned in a betting forum I visited quite regularly at that time. Everyone and his grandmother jumped on the HT/FT bet and the odds were brought down to <10 and lots of bookmakers even suspended the markets for that game. I was lucky to find a bookmaker that wasn't aware and could still place the bet there with the initial odds before the drop; odds of 30.

Nope. Even though it's completely possible that other leagues also suffer from collusion and match fixing that isn't as openly discussed, it's probably done to a much lesser extent in other leagues and I'll gladly take my chances on those often larger leagues. I'm also completely uninterested in potentially acquiring insider information as well, so I wouldn't gamble on fixed matches at all even if I knew the probable outcome.

I will still continue to bet but I will try to lessen the amount of money that I will gamble.

To be fair though, there are a lot of sports that has been plague with accusations of collusions or manipulations, but still those league are still standing today.

In horse racing for example, horse owners, jockeys can collude with each other and see to it that a long shot horse win the race giving those bad actors behind tons of money. And if so happens that you have bet on the long shot horse, you will also be included in that windfall, just saying.

At the end of the day, we will still pick between 2 bets. Even with the involvement of game-fixing or not, we always have a chance to win. What the gamblers should think now is, what moves do these manipulators will go. This involves deep research where to find inside information.

Don't be worried too much to bet on game-fixed since they aren't controlling the sports bookies where we will place our bet.

On the other hand, stay away from betting directly with people associated with that league, that's suicide.

Getting these informations wont really be that easy.You wouldnt know if those you heard of would be legit ones or not.So its a matter of choice
if you do strive to bet on it or not.I agree that life does have risk and for you to earn something does really need for you to engage on.
Its not really surprising that people would still gamble no matter what issues do a certain league is involved one.

The only thing I pay attention to betting is to watch the sport I know and the teams I know. It is only for me that betting makes sense.

For this reason, I follow the league in my own country closely and I bet mostly in this league. I also follow the premier league and seria A. For this reason, the majority of the bets I make are matches in these leagues. Therefore, if you can still follow that league closely, I think a bet can be made.

But after this information, I think twice when I want to bet on this league matches.

Everyone has their own secrets, even those people who have big names in the industry, their secrets are hidden and well protected by people who have power to do so, so even though you know someone who will provide you such information, it will be filtered, because confidential information are always stay hidden, but it won't take long before the smoke came out of the room.

You won't see it coming, so, it is a trial and error process when it comes to gambling, even in life, we have to risk something to gain something, but not every time it will turns out good, most of the time it is what we are not expecting to be.

It depends on how "dirty" that league is based on my own view.

Generally speaking, we can't just say that a certain league is dirty even there are confirmed reports that practice like that happens. Maybe those were just an isolated case or a few cases once in 3 months for example. Any league does care for its reputation. They are being sponsored so any act of game-fixing is prohibited. If they will just allow this practice and people always see that, the revenue of their sales will drastically crash. Game manipulation might be happening but I don't believe it was part of every game. Players also care for their careers.

So if ever that league does have a history of manipulating games, but I want to bet, I don't see any wrong to do that. You will still choose to pick your bet. After that, just hope that you can take a ride to the result of game-fixing.

There has been some match fixing in Germany in the past, the last publicly covered one was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesliga_scandal_(2005)

Austria is known for match fixing as well. It happens all the time in football every day, but often times not 1X2 markets, but some side markets. It's correct, that bigger leagues are more immune to it, since it takes a lot of money to fix matches there and authorities are more alert.

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I don't care a  lot about matches being maybe fixed when considering to make a bet. Longterm it shouldn't matter, because when you are on the wrong side of the fix in one game, you will be on the correct side of the fix in the next. So longterm it should level out.

There is also this 3for3 theory, which is not a fix per se, but some agreement between mostly smaller teams. Each team will win their home match in the mutual matches and thus get the 3 points. Getting one sure win is better than getting only two points with 2 draws or losing one and drawing the other. It helps these smaller teams avoiding relegation. If one team is in dire need of points at the end of the season, they might be gifted the away win from their "friendly" team to avoid relegation. This way, these teams can still play in the same league and continue with that modus operandi.

Spotting these 3for3 matches is not that hard with some experience, but sometimes you might get trapped and the H2H just looks like a 3for3 by coincidence. Once you have spotted such two friendly teams, you can note these teams and just bet on home win twice per season, when these teams are scheduled to meet.

Odds would be shit and the chances of losing money is very high. I'd say I won't touch any of it unless I have some insider information on what's happening in-between matches. It's pretty hard trying to beat some people of their money who already knows the outcome of the games that would be played, and at that point it's better to just throw your money on dice and hope to win in the process. I've bet on a lot of fixed matches, and right before the line closes, the odds would sway hard on the one that I bet on, ending up on an almost no-profit bet for me..

It's best to stay away on these type of games unless you're an insider IMO.

^ Definitely yes, of course! It's just that you have to be aware of the possible collusion. It always happen, you just have to go with the flow of the said collusion. These agreements between rivals aren't new in the industry of sports. Because people on the higher end see sports as business, not totally sport. That's how life works. That's how oligarchy plays their game and fooling the herds by doing collusion. So they can take the money out of everyone's pocket. Nevertheless, if you will be aware and take advantage of the collusion, you might consider checking the oligarch's moves and get along with it. When they place a bet, try to place a bet on their chickens too. You will definitely see your advantage there.

league of my country suffers from the same problem. Unfortunately politics is involved in my country’s league, it’s my country’s politicians who decide which team will be champion and the reason is that my country is a country that has different cultures for each province and has many different languages for each province, what my country's political party does is to manipulate the league in a way that satisfies a particular province when they realize that people in that province are unhappy with the political party. I don’t bet in league of my country because of that