Topic: Would you invest in BTC or MicroStrategy MSTR? - page 3. (Read 713 times)
Microstrategy simply trades as leveraged bitcoin. In a bear market people are down on it so they sell it below the company's btc holdings. But now while people are excited about bitcoin they buy it far beyond the company's bitcoin holdings. It's a more risky, leveraged play on Bitcoin. Personally I'd rather just hold bitcoin than take on that risk. I suppose in a retirement account I would probably split some of the portfolio between Microstrategy and the ETFs. But for money not in a retirement account, money that can go anywhere, I'd rather just own Bitcoin itself. But certainly for people who want to do this leveraged sort of play you can make more than with bitcoin itself if you are buying microstrategy during bear market and selling during bull market.
I won't invest in MSTR for the same reason why I won't buy ETF. I don't need that. I don't need to make my bitcoin position more risky by turning some of my bitcoin into a stock option.
I don't see it as a safer investment than bitcoin and I'm not greedy. If it makes 5% more than BTC so what? I'm not going to catch the BTC top anyway, I'm not even going to try, so my real realized profit will for sure be far from the top of both Microstrategy stock and bitcoin. If we make $200k this year I'll maybe turn a bit of my bitcoin holdings into the things I need, but it will be a few % so what difference does it make if I do it 10% below the top or 20%?
I don't see it as a safer investment than bitcoin and I'm not greedy. If it makes 5% more than BTC so what? I'm not going to catch the BTC top anyway, I'm not even going to try, so my real realized profit will for sure be far from the top of both Microstrategy stock and bitcoin. If we make $200k this year I'll maybe turn a bit of my bitcoin holdings into the things I need, but it will be a few % so what difference does it make if I do it 10% below the top or 20%?
Every time bitcoin has one of its "blow-ups", I will get random calls and or text messages asking to speak with me about it. Much of my family and friends know that I'm (at least in their minds) a bitcoin "expert" (which I am not) as well as a financial advisor, and want to speak with me about it all.
One such recent phone call was with my best gf's step father who I was just told "wanted to speak with me about bitcoin". After about a 30mn conversation, we mostly just spoke about MicroStrategy and it was mainly me trying to explain how it's NOT the same as owning bitcoin. It's a stock, with a company behind it, which is nothing like bitcoin. So, if you're interested in bitcoin, buy it straight up or through an ETF.
One such recent phone call was with my best gf's step father who I was just told "wanted to speak with me about bitcoin". After about a 30mn conversation, we mostly just spoke about MicroStrategy and it was mainly me trying to explain how it's NOT the same as owning bitcoin. It's a stock, with a company behind it, which is nothing like bitcoin. So, if you're interested in bitcoin, buy it straight up or through an ETF.
I think this is just like comparing storing your money in centralized exchange and in a self custodian wallet. Buying the stock of MicroStrategy might seem more profitable at a glance but in reality, holding the real Bitcoin is better because the risk in the stock is magnified when Bitcoin price drops because majority of their company's worth is in Bitcoin. There is no guarantee that when the shares drops during bear market, it will rise again when bull market returns. On the contrary, during bear market, Bitcoin value in personal wallet may reduce but the quantity remain the same and when bull season comes, the price will recover. So, I am more comfortable with holding Bitcoin than the shares of a company that holds Bitcoin.
I would like to know your views on investing in BTC and MSTR:
1-Do you choose to invest in BTC or MSTR? Why?
2-Will MSTR continue to generate better returns than BTC?
3-Is an investment in MSTR safer than an investment in BTC?
1-Do you choose to invest in BTC or MSTR? Why?
2-Will MSTR continue to generate better returns than BTC?
3-Is an investment in MSTR safer than an investment in BTC?
1 : I did hesitate last week and consider buying some MSTR shares. Quite frankly, my main reason for this hesitation was simply based on the hope of higher returns with MSTR than BTC. As of now, I am 100% fully allocated in BTC. I've finally decide to stay focus with my original plan, stay fully allocated to BTC.
The reason is, more than simply returns, I believe in everything that BTC has to offer, and holding BTC is my way to be an activist fighting for the good fight. I believe in decentralisation, economic freedom, self sovereignty, ethical investment, sound money, and these are all aspect that BTC, and BTC only, can offer for the people. A public company cant. So as much as I love Michael Saylor, my vote goes for BTC only.
The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.
Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat
what you said could be true sir because if you look at the risk the probability is almost the same, and my personal view if given the question between you choose it is better to invest in BTC or in MSTR, of course I will choose to invest directly in BTC rather than in MSTR, because the reason is that I know how to apply BTC and keep it safe and if it is urgently needed I can liquidate it quickly, unlike in MSTR when we have a larger number of shares then we need to have a queue and other procedural withdrawal things that I think are quite complicated if I need it quickly.
And OP, i think ask the majority who discuss bitcoin here, surely people will answer it's better to invest in Bitcoin directly because they know.
Would you invest in BTC or [knowledge]?
What will you choose? 
I don't agree with you two. I don't want to lie, my main goal when investing in bitcoin is profit, profit is what I care about and prioritize the most. But I wouldn't invest in MSTR because there's no guarantee their stock will yield higher returns than bitcoin. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our investment if their business suffered and their company went bankrupt? Meanwhile, even if bitcoin is dumped, it will still recover and grow at a higher level. I will ignore the issue of privacy and decentralization, I will still choose bitcoin because it offers better returns and less risk.
Investing is surely the main objective to earn profit, but the reason why Bitcoin can survive, recover and grow are because decentralization, lightweight, transparent, secure and some privacy. If there are no asset can offer new uniqueness or better than Bitcoin, Bitcoin will never be replaced or forgotten. Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.
In the end, it's nothing different than Bitcoin ETFs, MSTR might be more dangerous than ETFs because they don't have any rule to own Bitcoin, so they can sell the coins whenever they want.
I would invest in btc just because you can do it outside of the system, you don't need financial institutes for it
I think the ETFs made the bull market come faster than anticipated, but that it would have happened without them anyway. Some forum members are concerned with accumulation of Bitcoin by investment funds because it leaves fewer coins circulating in a natural decentralized form, so holding Bitcoin instead of using an investment fund can be a way to support the decentralization cause. Also, I feel like buying Bitcoin is easier and more accessible because you purely rely on yourself and there's pretty much no lower limit to it, so it's another argument in favour of Bitcoin. Not to mention the obvious note of actually owning your coins when they are in a non-custodial wallet.
Investing in Bitcoin and storing it in a secure wallet is the safest option. The reason is that it is decentralized and is not being controlled by a single entity. MSTR might be able to generate a higher return but it is not decentralized as it is controlled by Microstrategy. When you invest in Bitcoin you get the real product which is Satoshi whereas with MSTR you will only get a paper in return. If you think in the long term investing in Bitcoin will be more profitable than a stock in Bitcoin.
One of the safest investments that I know and can recommend to anybody is Bitcoin, because it's decentralized and not owned by a single entity, unlike MSTR that's owned by microstrategy, that is a private company, and their investors earnings will depend on their profit and lose. Bitcoin investment is more secured if an investor leaves his Bitcoin in a none custodial wallet, where he has total the autonomy to his coins, and despite how price dips, it'll always reach now ATH, so far it's hodled on the long run. Ofcourse an investor can invest what he can afford to loose on the short term in MSTR.
The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.
Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat
I don't agree with you two. I don't want to lie, my main goal when investing in bitcoin is profit, profit is what I care about and prioritize the most. But I wouldn't invest in MSTR because there's no guarantee their stock will yield higher returns than bitcoin. Have you ever thought about what would happen to our investment if their business suffered and their company went bankrupt? Meanwhile, even if bitcoin is dumped, it will still recover and grow at a higher level. I will ignore the issue of privacy and decentralization, I will still choose bitcoin because it offers better returns and less risk.
Would you invest in BTC or [insert anything here]?
..... BTC of course
..... BTC of course
The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.
Right. Choosing between investing in BTC or MSTR depends on your style and tolerance for risk. MSTR's been riding high, thanks to their BTC stash and leverage but that comes with extra risk. BTC's more of a wild ride with its ups and downs but its decentralized vibe gives some peace of mind. MSTR's got the benefit of MicroStrategy's leadership but BTC's been around longer and has its own reputation. In the end, it's a trade-off between control and potential rewards versus trust and stability. It's like choosing between surfing a wave or cruising on a steady boat
No I wouldn’t invest in MSTR. It is because MSTR can do unexpected things in the future and I don’t really trust Michael Saylor. I would rather hold my own btc instead. Michael might dump his coins, or not, or maybe he will ddo something completely against btc. You can’t know that. Why would I trust him with my money? He is not the best money manager out there and he is not the second best. As far as I know MSTR is not even an investment company. It is a software company. Buying MSTR because they hold btc is like buying TSLA for the same reason. It doesn’t make any.
Understandable, and there will be those critics that will say that MSTR is a "shitcoin" because "Why is Chad Saylor not doing stock buy-backs, but he's instead he's selling MSTR to buy Bitcoin"?
Those people don't understand that buying Bitcoin for MicroStrategy's vaults INCREASES the value of MSTR for the owners of MSTR stock. Increasing value for the holders of the stock is also in fact Michael Sayor's DUTY as the executve chairman.
No I wouldn’t invest in MSTR. It is because MSTR can do unexpected things in the future and I don’t really trust Michael Saylor. I would rather hold my own btc instead. Michael might dump his coins, or not, or maybe he will ddo something completely against btc. You can’t know that. Why would I trust him with my money? He is not the best money manager out there and he is not the second best. As far as I know MSTR is not even an investment company. It is a software company. Buying MSTR because they hold btc is like buying TSLA for the same reason. It doesn’t make any sense
The answer depends on your goals. If your main goal is to make money and the concept of Bitcoin isn't significant to you, then MSTR is the better choice. However, if you value having full control over your life and funds, then Bitcoin is the preferred option.
Is bitcoin not more better than any form of stock or shares and bond from a centralized institution, they determine what you can make as profits while in bitcoin, you determine what you earn the more you're able to hold longer, there's no how we can compare a centralized investment to bitcoin which is a decentralized one, the difference is clear, in terms of profitability, bitcoin will always have higher edge over them, this same organization are investing on bitcoin as well, so why the long process when bitcoin is for everyone without having to go through a barrier.
OP, when finding an answer for such questions, I believe that, in your example, everyone should start denominating the asset in Bitcoin. Is the asset earning you more Bitcoin, and it will therefore make you hold more units in Bitcoin if you sell the asset? I encourage HODLing, but if people want to "trade", then get the price in Bitcoin. Surging against Bitcoin = Bid, going against Bitcoin = just HODL Bitcoin.
We're here to get as much units in Bitcoin for the limited capital that we have. That's probably why I like Buy the DIP more than DCA. But choose what's more comfortable for YOU, or do both.
We're here to get as much units in Bitcoin for the limited capital that we have. That's probably why I like Buy the DIP more than DCA. But choose what's more comfortable for YOU, or do both.
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I would like to know your views on investing in BTC and MSTR:
I just want to invest in btc and have invested in btc. I don't want to invest MicroStrategy MSTR and I have no idea about MicroStrategy MSTR. I got a lot of returns from bitcoin investing. I feel that the amount of return that I have received cannot be obtained by investing in unique coins. I have been investing in Bitcoin, Bitcoin seems much safer to me. I have not invested in MicroStrategy MSTR and I have no idea about MicroStrategy MSTR safe. I would like to know your views on investing in BTC and MSTR:
- Do you choose to invest in BTC or MSTR? Why?
- Will MSTR continue to generate better returns than BTC?
- Is an investment in MSTR safer than an investment in BTC?
You're in a Bitcoin forum and everyone will say that they'll invest on BTC obviously. But those that are from outside and are fans of traditional investments, they'd choose MSTR or if they're looking at the market, they'd choose BTC too.
Most of us here are more familiar with the move of BTC and that's why it's an easy answer that everyone is going to buy that rather than going with MSTR.
But if you're a diversified investor and you're also optimistic with MSTR, then you choose what you think is right for you as an investor and as part of diversification.
Not really, people know both BTC and stock, stock is nothing new because it's a centralized investment. Since Bitcoin is the only one and people are believing in decentralization, they choose Bitcoin over stock. But some people might diversify their portfolio because they didn't dare to all to Bitcoin.Most of us here are more familiar with the move of BTC and that's why it's an easy answer that everyone is going to buy that rather than going with MSTR.
But if you're a diversified investor and you're also optimistic with MSTR, then you choose what you think is right for you as an investor and as part of diversification.
If you ask people who fans of traditional investment, they will don't have any idea with Bitcoin.
They said it's a bubble, not secure, manipulated, etc, but they can't give any solid or constructive answer why they can say that.
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