Topic: Would you live on a seastead? - page 3. (Read 535 times)

The plan is to have seasteads all over the world and once they're in international waters there will be no visa requirements (other than local requirements).

I agree. Building something in middle of the sea is daunting and it will take several years before that will happen. It would be much better to do a gradual approach such as starting in a protected body of water like a lagoon or bay with calm waters. Get all of the logistics figured out there, the engineering, the social challenges, everything you can figure out while still within a safe distance of land to get through that first phase.

Then you can move 12nm out into the ocean where you're still close to land for many supply/logistic type of things but you are challenged by the waves and other things, but at that point you have more national sovereignty. You're protected by the host nation's military but are outside of the jurisdiction of most of their laws which allows you to experiment even more with new social structures.

Then finally you move 200nm out where you have full sovereignty. At that point you're looking to start a nation and have to be out that far to get started. That is certainly a decade away for sure.

This is the approach Blue Frontiers is taking. They will start in a protected lagoon off of one of the islands of French Polynesia. Then go from there. But the key is to at least get started so we're not waiting 100 years to finally start utilizing the 70% of the earth that is covered by oceans.

No!
simply because it is not even created yet. we are talking about years in the future which may not even become a possible thing due to political reasons. not to mention the logistics of it! we are talking about a construct (houses) in the middle of ocean. the pictures look pretty in calm sea under the clear sky while sun is shinning but that is not how the sea always looks! the conditions can be brutal even in the safest places.

plus how much does it cost to maintain such a structure every year? keep in mind we are talking about a big structure at sea under constant corrosion in salt water, under constant pressure, different forces, ... so we have a combination of "corrosion and fatigue". who wants to live in a place that can have a catastrophic failure because of stress-corrosion cracking?

another thing that i can't wrap my head around is the dynamic nature of it!

If it had not been for you, I still did not find out what that already is. I would like to have a piece of paradise and come there when I want, but not on a permanent basis. On the ground, storms are easier to carry))

This isn't a discussion about an alt coin, it's a discussion about seasteading.

While Blue Frontiers is doing an ICO for their seastead token (Varyon), I'll leave Blue Frontiers to create a thread in the altcoin section to discuss Varyon.

We need Bitcoin people to get involved in seasteading so that bitcoin can be an integral part in the blockchain based protocols on the seasteads for things like governance, voting, property registration, etc.  Maybe using something like Rootstock or other Bitcoin advances to do so. Implementing Lightning Network as the popular payment system for most seasteads..

The idea of seasteading always sounded appealing to me, but I wonder what would it be like to actually live there and. I have a suggestion that this topic should be moved on altcoin discussion since this isn't discussing and  It could be a good place to spend a vacation, but no more than that.

It's not about no government.

I see it as a blank slate with which you can create something great.

Imagine every country's government as a painting. The country has chosen one painting as their national painting and it is that nation's painting. Maybe every couple of years they may add a tiny change or tweak a color, maybe a tiny dog in the painting did not have any eyes drawn originally and after years of discussion they decide to draw one white eye after much debate, though the painting essentially stays the same. This goes on for centuries with just a tweak here and there. They even decide that their style of painting is the best and that any other country choosing a different style is bad and they go to war over these differences.

Meanwhile, artists all over the world look at these paintings and believe that there could be something better...the centuries old paintings are dull and boring. Warhol comes along, Picasso shows up...Dali wants to change things a bit. But they can't create anything new because there are no blank canvasses in the world. They might have great ideas but there is no place for them to express them. And the world doesn't get to enjoy their paintings.

But then seasteading comes along and says...here are many blank canvasses. Try out some new paintings. Some will be shit because we haven't had any new paintings in hundreds of years. Some will copy the old paintings with some minor changes that other countries had already discussed. But some will be the Picassos, the Warhols, the Dalis...new and interesting. Unlike anything that has come before. Nothing that was allowed to come before. Hell, while old countries will be looking at paintings, we could be watching movies in full surround sound or in a VR world. Leaving them all behind to their legacy systems. Much like what we are doing with Bitcoin as money.

Know that man really needs a rule. Without such provision may occur. If you choose to live in seastead, whatever you want, you will live comfortably free of all governmental rules. A rule created just for comfort and billing in a casual atmosphere does not happen.

For the final seasteads (out in international waters) you would likely move to a seastead because of the laws (or lack thereof).

I suppose it will be like if you were go to Amsterdam right now. How do you know the drug and prostitution laws there? They're so different from the rest of the world. You just google it. There's probably a page for tourists for the basic stuff, then the actual full text of the laws on another website.

I have lived all over the world. Before you get to a new country or soon after you arrive you do a bit of research on things you should know in your new country.

As for how those laws are decided or implemented? I am hoping that it will be mainly blockchain based (for most of the cities...some may want to be old school, who knows) voting systems with public ledgers and verifiable proofs.

Im planning to move out when i retired from work,that means in five years from now i will be on that decision and if given a chance to live in that kind of peaceful environment then would love to spend rest of life in the middle of the sea but my only concern is im based on asia and as i am reading your post this sounds like its too far from my place and i may not be qualify

The company was founded in January of 2017 and have been going strong ever since. A lot of work with the French Polynesian government, they have a partnership with a company out of the Netherlands that builds floating structures (Blue21). There are many partners being worked on with several big name advisers such as Ethereum's Daniel Nagy, Lara Stein (founder of TEDx), Gaspard Koenig (runs the premier libertarian think tank in France who advised the head of the IMF in France who just recently endorsed blockchain technology).

The nice thing about this is that Blue Frontiers has first mover advantage. No competitors. The Seasteading Institute, which was founded by Patri Friedman and funded initially by Peter Thiel, has been around since 2008 but they merely promote the idea of seasteading and do research. They're non-profit so they can't actually build anything.

Successful cities need a variety of infrastructures, such as roads, electricity power plants, network connectivity, water and sewer lines, and so forth. At small scales we could probably design this infrastructure to be completely modular. But that approach doesn’t scale, at some point we need expensive fixed infrastructure, like multi-lane highways, bridges, water mains, subway lines, airports, which only make economic sense if built on a geographically stable foundation. Such infrastructure wouldn’t be feasible in a “dynamic” city, and without such infrastructure it’s hard to imagine a city of even modest size being viable. It could be a good place to spend a vacation, but no more than that.

A very nice place to be a place to live, and I am very interested to be able to live there, and how I can to settle on the floating island.

With strong team, strategic partnership and long term planning I have a feeling that this will be a successful project. Do you have a strong competitor on seasteading industry?

There will be an alt coin thread dedicated specifically to the token, Varyon.

This one is for discussion of seasteading in general and the current project under way to make seasteading happen.

It is Bitcoin and blockchain related in that most of the economy and governance will be blockchain based and Bitcoin will certainly be popular at most of the businesses along with basically any currency anyone wants to accept.

I could see eventually some sort of basket of the most stable currencies being used, or some combination with metals. But that is the whole point of competing seasteads. They can figure out what is best.

I'll leave the alt coin thread for the actual company, Blue Frontiers. I do not represent or speak for Blue Frontiers, I just support the project.

It is a very special place and island, I am very interested to live on the island, and I will tell my friends and relatives to offer to stay there.

Seems a good way of living and I think varyon has made a unique project. I have a suggestion that this topic should be moved on altcoin discussion since this isn't discussing about bitcoin here, and I think it can create more traffic out there. Hope it will be moved and accept my suggestion.

The first seasteads will be in French Polynesia under French Polynesian criminal laws and military protection.

I am very happy to be able to stay there, because I am sure I can be more comfortable and not many rules to live there, how can I stay there.

It seems very nice and nice place, but I do not like to live in a wounded place that is not recognized by any country, because I prefer to live in the country and I think it's safer.