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Quote from: TMAN on March 07, 2018, 09:21:53 AM

* Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon

Weapons are a big no IMO, probably due to the fact I've never lived in an area where guns were legal. I wouldn't really mind the "Possess" part if it's in an area where guns are legal. People love guns and I can see why someone might be tempted to own a dangerous gun. The other 2 are more dodgier IMO and would require some more context. But I wouldn't trust someone who is actively dealing in selling and buying firearms. Making them is alright, since that could be an occupation.

Quote from: TMAN on March 07, 2018, 09:21:53 AM

* Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent

Isn't this theft? Definetly no if it is.

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I am genuinely interested to hear other peoples opinions of what the likely character of someone with that arrest record would be? I know its only arrest and not prison time, but as they say you cant make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.

Depends on what time there were arrested, as you said, you can't really judge someone who's in their like mid-40s with the stupid shit they did when they were 20. I'd still be weary nevertheless, because of the last conviction. Probably try to avoid them.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 06:27:52 AM

Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 06:18:53 AM

I do not understand the law where this took place so I really cannot comment fully, but it went to court and in the documents there are mentions of informal probation so I am not too sure of the full details.

Being charged is something that needs to happen before going to court whatever country you're in. So we can rule the cops arresting someone who could later prove they did have consent etc.

"Informal probation" is a punishment so implies some sort of guilt. Although it is not unknown in some countries for people to take the lightest punishment possible, even when innocent, just because they distrust the legal system.

In this hypothetical situation, the person would have an awful lot of work to do to convince me to trust them.

so in this hypothetical situation.. if I said it was the good old US of A.. and someone got Informal probation, would you hypothesize that they would do it as an innocent party?

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 06:18:53 AM

I do not understand the law where this took place so I really cannot comment fully, but it went to court and in the documents there are mentions of informal probation so I am not too sure of the full details.

Being charged is something that needs to happen before going to court whatever country you're in. So we can rule the cops arresting someone who could later prove they did have consent etc.

"Informal probation" is a punishment so implies some sort of guilt. Although it is not unknown in some countries for people to take the lightest punishment possible, even when innocent, just because they distrust the legal system.

In this hypothetical situation, the person would have an awful lot of work to do to convince me to trust them.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 06:13:11 AM

Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 06:04:36 AM

I did silly things as well, plenty of them, probably more than most to be honest. But stealing is something that I cannot condone. To me it is similar to men who hit women - I don't get that either.

Exactly. But there are many circumstances someone could be arrested for TWOC where stealing isn't involved. In your original question, you specifically asked about being arrested as opposed to being charged with or convicted of. If they were arrested and then released without charge it's actually probably more likely that it didn't involve theft. If you're asking if I would trust someone with a conviction then no I wouldn't.

I do not understand the law where this took place so I really cannot comment fully, but it went to court and in the documents there are mentions of informal probation so I am not too sure of the full details.

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 06:04:36 AM

I did silly things as well, plenty of them, probably more than most to be honest. But stealing is something that I cannot condone. To me it is similar to men who hit women - I don't get that either.

Exactly. But there are many circumstances someone could be arrested for TWOC where stealing isn't involved. In your original question, you specifically asked about being arrested as opposed to being charged with or convicted of. If they were arrested and then released without charge it's actually probably more likely that it didn't involve theft. If you're asking if I would trust someone with a conviction then no I wouldn't.

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Once a thief, always a thief. Problem with arrested offenders is they tend to be recidivists. It’s hard to kick a habit, as the saying goes, and human bias will usually predispose one to harbor doubts. If someone steals, I might find it hard to trust that person, unless perhaps the theft was committed to achieve a greater good (such as being compelled to steal a vehicle to save someone’s life or to remove that vehicle from someone under the influence of alcohol etc).
As for dangerous weapons, I think trust will revolve around other factors such as motives for possessing or manufacturing them and the kind of weapon. If the person recklessly endangered vulnerable people such as kids, then I doubt I will ever find the strength to trust such a person.

Once a Thief always a thief is an interesting perspective, so are you saying based on only the 2 arrests above you wouldnt trust someone like that with $500K ?

$500K? Yes and no. Yes, against collateral of equal or more value. No, if entrusting that person based purely and solely on trust or in good faith.

Trust is naturally absent when interacting financially with strangers, let alone strangers who were arrested for a dishonesty offence. If you know a person was arrested for something like theft, it will take time and a test of patience to overcome that doubt and negativity.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 06:01:51 AM

Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 05:51:49 AM

I wouldn't trust either person in this Hypothetical scenario - I mean kids make mistakes, but if they were not bought up to know right from wrong then they are a bad apple..

but that's my opinion as a parent - I teach my children the power of hard work. Other parents aren't the same, some may tech kids it is ok to take shortcuts, so taking the easy route may be in their DNA. I am sure people like that would spend there life looking for shortcuts, and may be caught up in scams/shady dealings.

I respect your opinion but don't fully agree, I did stupid things when I was younger and I know others that also did. That doesn't in my view make us untrustworthy people. That's just part of growing up.

If this hypothetical person did it as an adult, and it wasn't the cops getting it wrong, then I wouldn't trust them. I would need to know more to make a judgment.

I did silly things as well, plenty of them, probably more than most to be honest. But stealing is something that I cannot condone. To me it is similar to men who hit women - I don't get that either.

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 05:51:49 AM

I wouldn't trust either person in this Hypothetical scenario - I mean kids make mistakes, but if they were not bought up to know right from wrong then they are a bad apple..

but that's my opinion as a parent - I teach my children the power of hard work. Other parents aren't the same, some may tech kids it is ok to take shortcuts, so taking the easy route may be in their DNA. I am sure people like that would spend there life looking for shortcuts, and may be caught up in scams/shady dealings.

I respect your opinion but don't fully agree, I did stupid things when I was younger and I know others that also did. That doesn't in my view make us untrustworthy people. That's just part of growing up.

If this hypothetical person did it as an adult, and it wasn't the cops getting it wrong, then I wouldn't trust them. I would need to know more to make a judgment.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 05:48:16 AM

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 05:36:27 AM

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.

I guess TWOC could be parents making a naughty child learn a lesson, or an angry GF reacting and trying to cause a fuss.. but again it could be a dirty little fuckface who you wouldnt lend $5 in real life who goes out with a gun and steals a neighbours car whilst blasting rap music thinking they are an original gangster

Now we're on the same wavelength.

Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 04:31:57 AM

It's something that would make me suspicious enough to need to find out the full story.

I wouldn't trust either person in this Hypothetical scenario - I mean kids make mistakes, but if they were not bought up to know right from wrong then they are a bad apple..

but that's my opinion as a parent - I teach my children the power of hard work. Other parents aren't the same, some may tech kids it is ok to take shortcuts, so taking the easy route may be in their DNA. I am sure people like that would spend there life looking for shortcuts, and may be caught up in scams/shady dealings.

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 05:43:23 AM

Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 05:36:27 AM

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.

I guess TWOC could be parents making a naughty child learn a lesson, or an angry GF reacting and trying to cause a fuss.. but again it could be a dirty little fuckface who you wouldnt lend $5 in real life who goes out with a gun and steals a neighbours car whilst blasting rap music thinking they are an original gangster

Now we're on the same wavelength.

Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 04:31:57 AM

It's something that would make me suspicious enough to need to find out the full story.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 05:36:27 AM

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.

I guess TWOC could be parents making a naughty child learn a lesson, or an angry GF reacting and trying to cause a fuss.. but again it could be a dirty little fuckface who you wouldnt lend $5 in real life who goes out with a gun and steals a neighbours car whilst blasting rap music thinking they are an original gangster

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:26:02 AM

It depends on where the offender is from. In most countries the possession of a self-fabricated weapon is illegal. So if a 12 year old makes a potato cannon and he gets caught using it in an abandoned field he can get arrested for it. As I stated in my post, it all depends on context.

I agree. That's really the same point I'm making with the taking a car without consent examples. That may or may not involve theft. Manufacturing a potato cannon and converting deactivated/blank firing guns and selling them to criminals are also uncomparable, but show up as the same in someone's arrest record.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:26:02 AM

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I don't see the issue with "Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon", depending on the context. When I was young I made quite a few slingshots and potato cannons and I am pretty sure pretty much everyone has fabricated some sort of weapon when they were young Grin

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The full question included 'arrested for' so the context is doing it in an illegal manner.

It depends on where the offender is from. In most countries the possession of a self-fabricated weapon is illegal. So if a 12 year old makes a potato cannon and he gets caught using it in an abandoned field he can get arrested for it. As I stated in my post, it all depends on context.

Dangerous weapon.. I have had females refer to my genitals as that before..dont think it is quite the same context here though

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 05:14:40 AM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:09:55 AM

I don't see the issue with "Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon", depending on the context. When I was young I made quite a few slingshots and potato cannons and I am pretty sure pretty much everyone has fabricated some sort of weapon when they were young Grin

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The full question included 'arrested for' so the context is doing it in an illegal manner.

It depends on where the offender is from. In most countries the possession of a self-fabricated weapon is illegal. So if a 12 year old makes a potato cannon and he gets caught using it in an abandoned field he can get arrested for it. As I stated in my post, it all depends on context.

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 05:17:28 AM

Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:09:55 AM

As for 'Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent', that is theft in my eyes. I don't trust thieves at all. I really dislike people who take things from other people, who have spent their hard-earned money on something, because they're too lazy to work for something their selves.

that's the one that got me.. Its called Twocing in the UK, all the little scumbags do it - I do class it as a scumbag action.

then we come to scumbag=trustworthy??

If they did actually steal the car then yes. But if they were arrested and not charged there are a number of other possibilities. It could be as simple as not having the right paperwork on them at the time and the cops thinking they look too scruffy to own a nice motor.

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:09:55 AM

As for 'Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent', that is theft in my eyes. I don't trust thieves at all. I really dislike people who take things from other people, who have spent their hard-earned money on something, because they're too lazy to work for something their selves.

that's the one that got me.. Its called Twocing in the UK, all the little scumbags do it - I do class it as a scumbag action.

then we come to scumbag=trustworthy??

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Quote from: TheNewAnon135246 on March 08, 2018, 05:09:55 AM

I don't see the issue with "Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon", depending on the context. When I was young I made quite a few slingshots and potato cannons and I am pretty sure pretty much everyone has fabricated some sort of weapon when they were young Grin

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The full question included 'arrested for' so the context is doing it in an illegal manner.

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I don't see the issue with "Possess/Manufacture/Sell Dangerous Weapon", depending on the context. When I was young I made quite a few slingshots and potato cannons and I am pretty sure pretty much everyone has fabricated some sort of weapon when they were young Grin

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As for 'Take Vehicle Without Owner Consent', that is theft in my eyes. I don't trust thieves at all. I really dislike people who take things from other people, who have spent their hard-earned money on something, because they're too lazy to work for something their selves.

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Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 04:59:52 AM

probably best if I don't go into specifics here fella. I was just genuinely interested in other peoples views on arrests and peoples trust.

Completely understandable.

Quote from: TMAN on March 08, 2018, 04:59:52 AM

one more hypothetical question.. would you trust someone who had been arrested for taking a car with hundreds of thousands of dollars?

what about if they already were in a position of trust and currently had the funds, then it came to light that they hadn't disclosed previous arrests?

It really depends on the full story. That's why I gave that example of my friend taking his parents car when he was 17. If it was something like that I don't think it would affect how I trust them as an adult. If they were part of some organised crime gang ringing cars to export to Eastern Europe and got off on a technicality then I wouldn't trust them to hold my pint while I go for a piss.

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Quote from: TheQuin on March 08, 2018, 04:52:15 AM

What do you mean by "someone called you out"? There are circumstances I'd admit it and others I'd tell them to mind their own frickin' business.

probably best if I don't go into specifics here fella. I was just genuinely interested in other peoples views on arrests and peoples trust.

one more hypothetical question.. would you trust someone who had been arrested for taking a car with hundreds of thousands of dollars?

what about if they already were in a position of trust and currently had the funds, then it came to light that they hadn't disclosed previous arrests?

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