Topic: [WTB] BTC with verified PayPal for +-$100 - page 2. (Read 5148 times)

You contacted PayPal an hour after you sent asking if they could stop a transaction? But you didn't actually ask them to stop that actual transaction? Also please stop saying that they can't stop transactions they can stop friends to family and purchases all the time especially if you call and say you had an unauthorized login to your account.

PayPalbuster, if you would like you can send me the BTC if you trust me and I will escrow it. I also have a way to make sure to see if there was an actual claim filed. If you send me the BTC, I will move the BTC into a different escrow for you I will just hold the responsibility. This is I'm still sorry to say tho in most cases if everyone wants to believe PayPal and that's just what we take from rusty then you are going to loose. PayPal always takes the side of the buyer and not the seller I've had this problem in the beginning with PayPal I took a 500$ loss so I know first hand.

Okay so then the next step will be to decide whether we go ahead with the transaction and get it resolved. If so then we need to follow the steps in part A below. If we decide not to go ahead with the transaction then we need to follow the steps in part B below.

A
1) Speak to Mobux to get the bitcoins to him in escrow. I will be responsible for any escrow fees.
2) Send me all the relevant emails from paypal especially ones with reference numbers etc.. so I can include those in my mail.
3) Provide me with a paypal address where the funds must be released to by paypal. If you no longer have a paypal account could you perhaps create one again or know somebody who will accept the funds for you or perhaps Mobux can escrow that as well for you (I will cover the cost of that as well).
4) I get the mail setup and send it out to paypal and everybody involved
5) We wait.....

B
1) Reply to the email Paypal sent you in regards to the transaction stating that you agree to it being reversed and sent back to my account. They will not do the reversal unless you agree to this.
2) We call it a day and we each go our own way

Have you read my proposal above?

I would like to get this matter resolved as soon as possible and I'm sure so do you.

Only saw this post now, so you still have your paypal account then, thought it was deleted.

In any case, see my suggestion to a resolution above.

Paypalbusters

I suggest the following resolution.

1) You send the required bitcoin to Mobux to be held by him in escrow,
2) You forward me those emails from Paypal so that I can attach it to my mail as well as get any reference numbers etc...
3) As soon as Mobux confirms the bitcoin is in escrow I will send a detailed email to Paypal and Mobux and cc you on it explaining the events and asking for the funds to be released to you, do you have another Paypal account?, if not Paypal will have to reversed it to me. We can then discuss whether we conclude the transaction either by me sending it to Mobux or we then just cancel the transaction.
4) If I do not get the email off to Paypal today, which will be confirmed by Mobux, then he releases the bitcoin back to you and he's then welcome to flag me with negative trust,
5) If Paypal decides to reverse the transaction Mobux releases the bitcoin back to you unless we agree to complete the transaction,

Your feedback on this?  

Paypalbusters,

That is good news then for both of us.

Yes I did contact them about the transaction but that was an hour after your account was closed and I had no feedback from you. I thus phoned them to ask whether the transaction could be stopped or not but they told me it could not be done and that the transaction was done and dusted - NOTE: I did not log an investigation until this morning.

If they however did stop it as you indicate from those posts then we need to put our information together and contact Paypal together so that they can release the funds to you as intended and we conclude the transaction and or we reverse everything and call it a day, I'll restore your trust and apologize formally to you.

That's why I have been asking for you to let me know who you spoke to. As I said right from the start, I'm more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt but you are not communicating with me as asked so that we can get this sorted.

Can you please forward those emails to me. I will then get one off to Paypal asking for the funds to be released to you and explaining everything to them. I will copy you on the mail I send to them.

Ok but now you seem to be more on the guilty side, only a investigation from paypal's side will finally solve this matter.
He wasn't the one who gave you a negative feedback, it was QS( No.1 Scambuster in bcttalk), see the feedback for more details.
Calm down now there, there is no need for any offensive language.
It will not be given to him but an escrow, so you can't later just vanish when the matter has been cleared.
Well he did send you the money, and if it was your own fault which got your account closed(which will be discovered , if it so , from paypal's investigation) then he isn't responsible for it.

P.S: what about this?

In that cas I would advise you to put the funds in an escrow first and after paypal's investigation has been done on the matter it would be decided who'se fault it was in closing of your account and if it was your own the escrow will forward the payment to OP and if it was OP's fault the escrow amount will be returned to you.
If this was not your fault I will request QS to remove the neg. rep from your account regarding the transaction but it depends on him if he remove it, and even if he does he may tag you for using blackhat methods.
Right now I don't think anyone will trade with you with that negative feedback. This is the solution I offer.

Anyone can fake that text, I don't think it can be regarded as a proof, I would like a trusted member's opinion on this rather than some text that looks like its been edited.

We will see in a day or two. Paypal has started an investigation into the transaction as I've asked for proof on whether the funds were delivered as per the transaction, that it has not been reversed, that it is not in their [i.e. Paypal's] possession and that it is either still in Paypalbusters account, or another account he possibly moved it to and or cashed out.

I've offered Paypalbusters my assistance in getting this sorted out this morning. If he does not have the funds [which I do not believe] it means that Paypal has it as I do not have it as Mobux already confirmed, my payments are cleared and completed and not returned. I've asked that he send me copies of his communications with Paypal but none has been forthcoming leading me only to believe that there were none and there will never be as he closed the account himself. There was never any problem with that account.

V.Lance, run for the hills buddy, you are about to be taken for a ride.


Edit: Apparently Paypal has contacted you [Paypalsbuster] for details on the transaction, have you responded to them?

Just had a look at your website and you seem to be selling all kinds of blackhat methods someone can use against paypal, fake VCC fake identity , selectable from any country. I wouldn't be surprised if paypal found about this and decided to delete your account for good.
And the actual problem occurred after you got the payment, and it was your account that got deleted, which you should take full responsibilty for as it has been proven that OP had nothing to do with it, at most it might have gotten your account froze.
And you are ignoring my question about proofs , and confirmation from a trusted escrow it seems, if you keep ignoring these requests, I would request people from default trust to tag you as a scammer or you have to give a reason why should you not be tagged as a scammer.

You haven't provided any proof except an image which when examined was seemed as incorrect, the transaction details didnt match or something, and as monbux has already said paypal didn't close accounts because of rustynomad not using the account for over an year, and I believe his word for it, and paypal can't delete your account, you can do that only by yourself. You my friend, seem like a scammer to me.And as for them payment I stick to monbux and OP here, as your account got deleted after Op sent his payment, anything after he sends the payment is not his problem. And if paypal has deleted your account it is probably because of the blackhat methods you use not because of OP , you should send the payment to the OP and close it here.
Or provide more proof to a trusted escrow, for ex. monbux.

He just sent me an email lol



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Hello,
I can do that exchange for you, i`m willing to offer 0,6089 for your 155$ paypal.
We can use escrow and split the escrow fees or you can go first as family and friends.

Let me know if you are interested, have a good day!

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If he is what you claim to be I don't think he will provide his side of the proofs, and yup he hasn't provided any proofs to confirm his side of the story.
Actually he hasn't just saw he is online right now, I'll try PMing if it works.
Bad luck if you got scammed though, but this is a lesson for you as well, never deal without an escrow.

This bounty still up, you should offer it to Paypalbusters to open his side of the records. Tried to get hold of him today but I can assume that he has left, for good.

I read through this thread again this morning and one thing that everybody seems to miss is the fact that he has actually received the money on his end.




Everybody is looking at my Paypal as if I did not send the funds but he clearly admitted on several occasions that he has received it. I'm not sure what more proof anybody wants. Also, just read the quote above again and tell me you are not suspicious. He received funds then all of a sudden his Paypal just gets deleted from the servers of Paypal. Since when do Paypal 'delete' accounts? They might freeze it yes but not delete it.

He then says this is a new kind of scam and everybody jumps on the wagon with him accusing me of taking his money, putting up bounties and the like. But just read it again and look what he's actually saying.....He's saying that I sent him money, he received it, and then, I'm not sure how, I hacked Paypal and deleted his account and in the process got my money back and or stole it back....

So one thing that is clear is that he did receive the funds. That he admitted several times. That is unless I again hacked Paypal to make their servers show him a false payment on his side. What is not clear here is what happened to his Paypal account? Why did Paypal just delete his account? Anybody ever hear of anybody else that had their accounts deleted, not frozen or anything like that but completely wiped from the Paypal system?

We have no proof of this, just his word. Also think of what kind of proof has he provided up to this stage, he has shown us transaction records that showed what? That showed he received the funds, he has not shown anything to show that the payment was rejected, reversed or anything else to indicate that it was my payment that blew up his Paypal. He has not provided any kind of proof that his account was wiped from Paypals systems, no screenshot of failed login's or that no account exist, no emails to support or anything. We just have his word that his account went up in this air.

So what has he actually told us and provided proof of thus far? That he did receive the funds on his side.

EDIT: I forgot one very important aspect in all of this. Look at the image below and read the message very carefully:



What does it say? Does it say the account has been blocked, blown up, deleted....No it says the account was CLOSED. That only means one thing, he closed his own account. Paypal does not run around closing accounts. They do run around freezing and or blocking accounts but not closing account.

I tell you all now, I call total BS on Paypalbusters stories. He is nothing but a scammer and a liar and I will stand by this until he can provide proof of where his account was deleted and also provide proof of where he made contact with Paypal to have this resolved.

Without that his story holds no water and he is just nothing more but another scammer. End of story.

Sorry no. I do not actually use Paypal at all. I received money on Paypal and had nowhere to send it or anything to do with it so thought I would exchange it for bitcoin. Now the wallet is empty as planned, pity the bitcoin wallet did not grow at the same time 

Are you still buying? Would you like to do a smaller $20 exchange with me? $20 PP for $18 BTC @ Bitstamp USD Rate

Shoot me a PM if interested, I'm looking for small amounts of PP funds to buy themes and graphics with.

I just want to clarify some issues here quickly in regards to my dealings with some members today.

There are some that made offers today and they mentioned that I did not come across as 'trustworthy' or they were not feeling comfortable. I can understand this but please give me this opportunity to explain why this might have been the case.

One of the members who made an offer asked me to do the whole Skype thing with me showing my myself and my ID over the webcam. I told him that I did not have Skype installed and even if I did that it would not help as I have no webcam. I offered a copy of my id [which is properly certified]. So he ran for the hills. I eventually dug out one of my old laptops with a webcam and got Skype going on it but by that time he was miles away.

Another made an offer and we agreed on the price. I said I have 96.21 and I would send 94.00. Those on the international platform of Paypal can confirm that when you select a business transaction there is no fees. There is a small balloon that pops up saying 0 fees, receiver pays all. However, on friends/family transactions there is a small fee depending on the amount you send. This member asked me to send via friends/family, I checked, saw the fee was about 1.50 so said I will send 94.00. We then fixed the number of btc to send.

He then asked me to add a message to the invoice saying I received the goods, will not reverse etc.. and this is where it went tits up for this deal. I have had my Paypal account I think for around 4 or 5 years now. In that time I've done about 8 transactions with the last being about two years back. Modux can confirm this from the history. So its not like I was on Paypal each day, I've hardly ever used it. So when the member said INVOICE my head went straight to business i.e. it had to be a business transaction.

I then told him I will send the full balance of 96.21 and he pays the fee, as the international Paypal is setup for business transactions. The idea was to send everything so that he would still get out a little more than the 94.00 as agreed on. If less, then he could just drop the number of btc to send. But when I said this alarm bells went off in his head as to why I want to send the whole balance now and let him pay the fees and why change the amount etc. I was not aware of the fact that I could also include the message in the family/friends section [never checked, idiot]. So he also ran for the hills as he thought I was now trying my luck. So more matter of miscommunication than anything else.

And then my send problems today. I know for many it may not make sense but just think of it. The account stood still for close on two years with $2 in it, almost a 100 arrive, I login for the first time in about two years and try to send the whole balance. Paypal stops me and tells me the account has a 'limited' status. I need to change my password and the security questions. I did that and I get a message that the 'limited' status has been removed. So all is fine and well.

However when I tried to send to Paypalbusters it refused to send. So I sent a mail of to support, they 'restored' the account and off the payment went without problems. So nothing funny really.

So if you were one of the people I dealt with today, sorry for the confusion. Its not like I try and buy bitcoin everyday with Paypal. This was my very first [and I think last]. So if I have shaken your trust sorry for that, it was definitely not done intentionally.

Please if there are still any questions that you think needs to be asked/clarified then please post them so we can deal with them and get them out of the way so we can move on.
 

@paypalbusters  why would you email paypal instead of calling for a serious matter like account being deleted?

Is my part of the inquest now over....

Anything else we still need to check or is there anything else anybody still needs to have verified?