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Topic: WTF ? 1000 BTC transfers in last block? (Read 1793 times)

legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
#36
That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious.

Some consider this a problem. Many dont like their transactions being public. Confidential Transactions is an idea, that can solve this problem in Bitcoin.

How exactly can someone hide their transactions with a regular bank ? their level of  security compared

to Bitcoin is so low as to be virtually zero, if you want to hide your Bitcoin movements on the blockchain it

would be comparatively easy compared to classical banking, where a few bribes to a bank employee or

 hacker will  be able to get not only your Bank account details but also where you live, every shop

or location you ever  made a withdrawal or purchase from listed and easily to digest,

Criminal Organisations love to target wealthy individuals, going overseas can be a security nightmare

for a rich person, when the passport goes through the system all the finacial data is pulled up

with the flick of a button, many many wealthy businessmen are sitting in jail overseas on false

charges with massive sentences because its to easy to get setup to make it look like you did

something wrong, 


sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
January 18, 2016, 07:03:32 AM
#35
That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious.

Some consider this a problem. Many dont like their transactions being public. Confidential Transactions is an idea, that can solve this problem in Bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1006
beware of your keys.
January 18, 2016, 06:05:47 AM
#34

IIRC in order to mix up or clean your coins from the darknet, without such a high transaction volume, it could result in traces.
the coin mixing is in order to ensure the coins are "clean".
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 528
January 18, 2016, 04:17:29 AM
#33
If you are surprised by that amount of money being transferred then i think you never see the 10k bitcoin pizza topic Tongue
Those 1000BTC must belong to either gambling or exchange website or it belongs to one of the early adopters of bitcoin who got rich from it Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2016, 04:01:53 AM
#31
that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well.
That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time.

No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent.

you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower)

i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee

I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy

i'm curious how much fee those institutions, when for example the europe court lent those billions to greece, need to pay to move those very big amount

they dont move anything with fiat

they ring each other up by phone and fly private jets

around, the days of these con artists is over
hero member
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I don't bite.
January 18, 2016, 04:01:46 AM
#30
Is this your first time? Tongue
I'm pretty sure I have seen more than one 1k BTC transactions and even more than that before.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1000
January 18, 2016, 03:55:02 AM
#29
you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower)

i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee

If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring.

You can read this for more information:

http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs

Example of Schwab's free wire transfers:

http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/

"Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with  $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter."

Almost 1 trillion dollars is transferred via wire transfer every day in the United States.

Source:

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/ota-money-laundering/03ch2.pdf

An average of over 293,000 transactions are carried over Fedwire daily, transferring a daily average of over $841.4 billion. The average amount of funds moved by one Fedwire transfer is nearly $3 million, and the cost of one transfer is about 50 cents (see tables 2-2 and 2-3)


Your showing ignorance on so many levels with this post

Banks an and other finacial institutions block fiat transfers of $20

oh and in my head i just tranferred 6,780 Trillion Billion

in 7,520,013 transactions all over the world

so please spare me ur stupid little fiat numbers
legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 1422
January 18, 2016, 03:47:39 AM
#28
that's big money and BTC serves the purpose so well.
That's the nice thing about bitcoin. You can move those amounts in minutes to anywhere at any time.

No banks holding your transactions, because they are so big and may be fraudulent.

you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower)

i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee

I think in the fiat world only big institutions do that: how do you move that money so fast? With BTC that seems very easy

i'm curious how much fee those institutions, when for example the europe court lent those billions to greece, need to pay to move those very big amount

I think they don't pay anything: they lend money that are freshly made for the sole purpose of being given to them.
They open a computer and they write 3.000.000.000.000 and then they press send.

No fees!  Grin
legendary
Activity: 3542
Merit: 1965
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
January 18, 2016, 01:13:47 AM
#27
you also pay much lower fee, for that 1M block only 0.5 btc, which is not even $200(and it was a sum of many transaction, if it was done with a single transaction, i'm sure it could have been much lower)

i doubt you can move $400M dollars with a so low amount of fee

If you have a high enough balance, you can easily move millions anywhere in the world without any fees using traditional banking. I use Schwab, my wire fees are waived for any amount and I have wired millions with no fee. For a traditional bank account, the average wire fee is $20 to $25 for any amount, it is not dependent on the amount of money you are transferring.

You can read this for more information:

http://www.bankingmyway.com/credit-center/3-ways-cut-wire-transfer-costs

Example of Schwab's free wire transfers:

http://www.schwab.com/public/file/P-1036363/

"Wire transfer fee: With $100,000–$499,999 in Household Balances, you will receive three free online domestic wire transfers per quarter; with  $500,000 or more in Household Balances, or 36 or more stock or option trades per year in Accounts of Your Household, you will receive three free domestic wire transfers per quarter."

Almost 1 trillion dollars is transferred via wire transfer every day in the United States.

Source:

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/ota-money-laundering/03ch2.pdf

An average of over 293,000 transactions are carried over Fedwire daily, transferring a daily average of over $841.4 billion. The average amount of funds moved by one Fedwire transfer is nearly $3 million, and the cost of one transfer is about 50 cents (see tables 2-2 and 2-3)


It is quite common for these traditional institutions to make fees cheaper for high income groups. and cross subsidizing these discounts from the lower income groups. Go to your bank and ask them what the different interest rates are for different amounts.

The Dinosaurs make sure they line the pockets of the rich people. ^frown^   
sr. member
Activity: 430
Merit: 253
VeganAcademy
January 17, 2016, 10:01:16 PM
#26
i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed..

sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning.

the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect.

It tells us when a lot of old coins that haven't moved in years start moving. Often big timers store their bitcoins in an extra secure address called cold storage, then leave them there for years. When they decide to sell them they have to send them to an exchange, and that coin movement makes a big spike in the bitcoin days destroyed chart.

yes, i know.. thanks Smiley
member
Activity: 77
Merit: 10
January 17, 2016, 05:07:03 PM
#25
i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed..

sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning.

the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect.

It tells us when a lot of old coins that haven't moved in years start moving. Often big timers store their bitcoins in an extra secure address called cold storage, then leave them there for years. When they decide to sell them they have to send them to an exchange, and that coin movement makes a big spike in the bitcoin days destroyed chart.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1004
January 17, 2016, 04:48:43 PM
#24

if it's "too late" then fuck Bitcoin...why would bother the new comers  to "invest" if it's too late? other commodities like gold is expecting them. you can never be too late buying gold Smiley
legendary
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Owner at AltQuick.com
January 17, 2016, 04:43:24 PM
#22
1000 whole BTC?! Omg...  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Merit: 1012
January 17, 2016, 04:40:12 PM
#21
big block are in red : http://btcaudio.tk/live/

 Grin i don't even imagine how amount of MONEY is transfered with Bitcoin network.  Roll Eyes

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>>> 22:45:03 Transaction: 16.07577149 BTC <<< eecd3ae577c12d171a60694ecfc44ded25493eac9508f1cf651bb8055a111a80

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>>> 22:45:01 Transaction: 50.51226296 BTC <<< 51d8e1b2602cf6f7bbdd24edf156c18618890b8a30f5749906e1e9305a4476ec

22:45:00 Transaction: 0.02738279 BTC
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>>> 22:44:50 Transaction: 44.64979221 BTC <<< 1d59bb61babd03a657f660e45ce2ee0b413ac65dbe8d4a408dd057a2222d0b1e

22:44:49 Transaction: 0.00275478 BTC
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22:44:47 Transaction: 0.51988271 BTC
sr. member
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VeganAcademy
January 17, 2016, 04:30:56 PM
#20
i dont like blockchain.info's depiction of these bitcoin days destroyed..

sure its nice that moving all these coins is possible.. it proves that the system is functioning.

the question to ask is, to what end does this posturing reflect.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 500
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January 17, 2016, 01:37:00 PM
#19
That is one of the beauties of Bitcoin, you can watch big transactions happening and somewhat have some info about money moving from one account to another. With fiat, you never know when big ammounts are moving or not. Even if it is just for being curious.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
January 17, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
#18

aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone

I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money?

If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it?



For large transactions (and whose fate you might worry about), you could always send smaller amounts of BTC per transaction as the fees for BTC are so small. 

For example, if you needed to send a counterparty $100,000 (say BTC250), you could send BTC100, and ask for confirmation of receipt.  Then send the rest later (delivery to port for example).

At some point you have to trust your counterparty to deliver what you pay for.

and anyway there is the blockchain that can demostrate it, it's a public ledger after all and is there for this exact reason, no need to declare anything
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1895
January 17, 2016, 01:20:39 PM
#17

aside from this you need to declare everything prior moving those huge amount, with bitcoin i can go ahead and moving my millions without saying nothing to anyone

I want my transfers recorded. If they aren't recorded, how do I prove that I sent someone the money?

If there is no record of me sending someone 10 million, why wouldn't they just walk away with the money? What if they say they didn't get it?



For large transactions (and whose fate you might worry about), you could always send smaller amounts of BTC per transaction as the fees for BTC are so small. 

For example, if you needed to send a counterparty $100,000 (say BTC250), you could send BTC100, and ask for confirmation of receipt.  Then send the rest later (delivery to port for example).

At some point you have to trust your counterparty to deliver what you pay for.
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