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ingrownpocket

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Quote from: mc_lovin on December 09, 2012, 02:19:00 PM

Quote from: ingrownpocket on December 07, 2012, 01:48:05 PM

Quote from: mc_lovin on December 07, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

Is it seriously mandatory? This makes Operation Fabulous a little bit more fabulous.

Answering the emails would make Operation Fabulous a little bit more fabulous for sure.

If you have any issue with Operation Fabulous please PM me or Edd or email me at [email protected], I wasn't aware that there were any emails going anywhere? I wish I had emails sent to me from the site, I am trying to revolutionize the site but I keep running into walls, and I keep hiring people to give the site a make-over but it never works out. Hopefully early 2013 OpFab 2.0 will be released, until then, at least the site works.

http://opfab.net/contact-us/

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on December 07, 2012, 01:48:05 PM

Quote from: mc_lovin on December 07, 2012, 01:47:09 PM

Is it seriously mandatory? This makes Operation Fabulous a little bit more fabulous.

Answering the emails would make Operation Fabulous a little bit more fabulous for sure.

If you have any issue with Operation Fabulous please PM me or Edd or email me at [email protected], I wasn't aware that there were any emails going anywhere? I wish I had emails sent to me from the site, I am trying to revolutionize the site but I keep running into walls, and I keep hiring people to give the site a make-over but it never works out. Hopefully early 2013 OpFab 2.0 will be released, until then, at least the site works.

giantdragon

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I say you go and install AdBlockPlus and Ghostery

Because of people like you, some website owners started to hide site's content from the users with AdBlock installed.

caffeinewriter

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 05:07:02 PM

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:21:24 PM

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.

That is because you don't understand the simple matter = your sensors are receiving all information at all times, but you become aware of just part of it.

"That what I'm not aware of can do me no harm" = no, it does not work that way.

So you're saying my preference is wrong? Roll Eyes

I say you go and install AdBlockPlus and Ghostery, use them for a week and than turn them off for next week.

Been there, done that. To support sites I like, I leave a single ad unblocked in an unobtrusive place, and should it interest me, click on it.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 05:07:02 PM

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:21:24 PM

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.

That is because you don't understand the simple matter = your sensors are receiving all information at all times, but you become aware of just part of it.

"That what I'm not aware of can do me no harm" = no, it does not work that way.

So you're saying my preference is wrong? Roll Eyes

I say you go and install AdBlockPlus and Ghostery, use them for a week and than turn them off for next week. You'll see the issue 1st hand.

I say I want to support the sites I visit, so I will not do that. If I prefer to see ads instead of make micropayments to view webpages, that is my prerogative.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:21:24 PM

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount.

That is because you don't understand the simple matter = your sensors are receiving all information at all times, but you become aware of just part of it.

"That what I'm not aware of can do me no harm" = no, it does not work that way.

So you're saying my preference is wrong? Roll Eyes

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:16:02 PM

I don't think anyone wants this, but it's the fact that you were being so secretive about these fees that made everyone angry.

- By the sound of it, you didn't notify current users of the service that you were now charging a commission fee on withdrawals.
- You didn't have the commission fee displayed anywhere that would be accessible to someone who had not yet signed up.
- You had text/advertising up that stated it was a fee-free service, and that the users would receive 100% of the funds, which wasn't true.

If you had been more up-front about the fees, I think people would have been much more understanding.

I admit, it was my fault to not to update the main page and FAQ. This fee was introduced about a month ago, I updated withdrawal page and just forgot to change other docs. There were no complaints about this mismatch, so I found a bug only today when the issue emerged. As I said earlied, now all documentation is updated and all users will be aware of this fee.

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 04:26:34 PM

There was a live example of the system with "pay for every move" and without ads. It was a predecessor of the Internet, widespread in France in the 80s-90s - Minitel. As you could guess, this model lost a competition to the Internet with free ad-sponsored sites.

Minitel and BTX lost more for technical reasons because they refused to adapt and go away from their character based systems and "page numbers"/menus towards supporting easily navigateable interlinked GUIs like Netscape could provide. This is also what killed off Gopher and Veronica. BTX and Minitel eventually finally switched, though at that time it was already far too late and the implementation was horrible.

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EDIT: nvm, this has gone off-topic.

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 04:18:24 PM

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

There was a live example of the system with "pay for every move" and without ads. It was a predecessor of the Internet, widespread in France in the 80s-90s - Minitel. As you could guess, this model lost a competition to the Internet with free ad-sponsored sites.

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Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:22:53 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:21:24 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:12:55 PM

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount. I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

It's all about it feeling free, not it necessarily being free.

Exactly. Making any payment whatsoever, even a very small amount, would make many people feel subconsciously guilty about aimlessly browsing the web.

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 04:21:24 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:12:55 PM

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount. I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

It's all about it feeling free, not it necessarily being free.

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:12:55 PM

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

I'd rather see ads on my screen than pay to view articles, even if it is a tiny amount. I think most people feel the same way, which is why ads, not micropayments, became the dominant method of revenue on content-publishing sites.

caffeinewriter

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 04:18:24 PM

Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:12:55 PM

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

*shrugs* makes sense.

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Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 04:12:55 PM

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

No, that's actually what ad networks want you to believe. Without ad networks to drip-drop-drip cents into websites we would already have decent micropayment systems for web services, like we should have had a bazillion years ago. The absurd "everything is free, lol" mentality would never had the chance to infect a whole generation, it there was a system where say reading an article on the web costs 0,1 cents with an easy transparent per-use payment resolvement.

Alas, I fear it is too late now. Ad networks already have destroyed any chance of that.

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 04:00:11 PM

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Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

I don't think anyone wants this, but it's the fact that you were being so secretive about these fees that made everyone angry.

- By the sound of it, you didn't notify current users of the service that you were now charging a commission fee on withdrawals.
- You didn't have the commission fee displayed anywhere that would be accessible to someone who had not yet signed up.
- You had text/advertising up that stated it was a fee-free service, and that the users would receive 100% of the funds, which wasn't true.

If you had been more up-front about the fees, I think people would have been much more understanding.

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I'm going to be 100% honest. After pondering this for a minute and talking with somebody who managed to open my eyes some, why are we all pissed off? The only difference between the fee and what other ad networks do is this fee is visible to the end-user, unlike others which take the cut behind the scenes. So I'm still standing by my stance that %25 is too high, but we may be overreacting a little.

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 04:00:11 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

The Internet and real world would be so much better without ads and marketing. So yes, drop dead! I'll fucking celebrate, weeee!

As much as I'd like to jump right in and say "hell yeah", without ads, the internet would be dead. It costs money to run the internet, and ads generate money, and make it easier for us, the end user, to use.

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 03:55:38 PM

caffeinewriter and others: I decided to set commission fee to 0% for the small withdrawals in total amount below 0.1 BTC per month.

Now that's actually quite fantastic

That's the kind of thing that makes me inclined to donate on my own.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Let me translate it to you = CoinURL can charge up to 100% commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

Suggest your variant how to write this clause in ToS...

P.S. I just don't understand why some people in this thread are so angry on this commission! I can set it to zero, but next month CoinURL will be offline due to unpaid hosting bill. Do you want this? Or do you think all is free?

giantdragon

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caffeinewriter and others: I decided to set commission fee to 0% for the small withdrawals in total amount below 0.1 BTC per month.

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