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Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 01:31:32 PM

So you now have this in your TOS:

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CoinURL reserve the right to charge any commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

I'm pretty sure that's not legal.

I say scammer tag, immidiately.

I'm inclined to agree, but I'm not entirely sure there's grounds for it, because I have no verifiable proof that said clause is illegal.

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on December 07, 2012, 02:09:04 PM

Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 02:04:49 PM

Quote from: Lurk on December 07, 2012, 01:56:57 PM

you cant withdraw your deposits...only your earnings.....minus 25%

Even better! That way there's no way for me to decide to move my campaign to a competitor!

Of course you cannot do that, just think about the referral commissions.

Stop being a douche, not everything about CoinURL is bad, in fact, the only complain I have with them is that 25% fee.
Have you actually tried their service? Or are you just going with the wave?

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 02:07:20 PM

Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

You actually started with helpful comments but now you're just acting like a troll.

I have used their service. I never had much traffic, so I only got a few mBTC, so the fee made that tiny amount even less. And after rereading the withdrawal page again, I was reminded by the text at the bottom of the page that deposited funds can't be withdrawn because of AML. So I more or less retract my post. I still disagree with his nonadjustable fee after his previously fee-free architecture. I'd be okay with %10, but %25 seems a little ridiculous to me.

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Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 02:04:49 PM

but %25 sounds pretty ridiculous for a Bitcoin-based service. Sorry Roll Eyes

I see you just don't understand how many efforts is required to operate CPC ad network and how much does servers and electricity cost! If you don't satisfied with CoinURL's 25% commission, try AdSense with 50%.

BTW, I try to offer as lower commission as I can. I think 25% is the lowest on the CPC ad market.

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Quote from: ingrownpocket on December 07, 2012, 02:09:04 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 02:07:20 PM

Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

You actually started with helpful comments but now you're just acting like a troll.

Thank you for your remittance.

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:46:19 PM

Just updated FAQ:

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What is the minimum amount that can be deposited or withdrawn? What is the commission rate?
There are no limits to deposits and withdrawals. Withdrawal commission is 25%.

That's a start, thank you!

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Quote from: caffeinewriter on December 07, 2012, 02:04:49 PM

Quote from: Lurk on December 07, 2012, 01:56:57 PM

you cant withdraw your deposits...only your earnings.....minus 25%

Even better! That way there's no way for me to decide to move my campaign to a competitor!

Of course you cannot do that, just think about the referral commissions.

Stop being a douche, not everything about CoinURL is bad, in fact, the only complain I have with them is that 25% fee.
Have you actually tried their service? Or are you just going with the wave?

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 02:07:20 PM

Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

You actually started with helpful comments but now you're just acting like a troll.

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Imma charging everyone who reads this post a 0.1 BTC fee for, you know, maintainance and stuff.

If you don't want to pay the fee, you shouldn't have read the post.

Now hop to it, adress is in the sig.

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I'm switching also

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Quote from: Lurk on December 07, 2012, 01:56:57 PM

you cant withdraw your deposits...only your earnings.....minus 25%

Even better! That way there's no way for me to decide to move my campaign to a competitor!

Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:59:22 PM

Managing CPC advertising network requires a lot of work due to various methods of cheating from publishers and consumes a lot of server resources for the targeting options. Therefore it is just IMPOSSIBLE to provide service like CoinURL (or any other AdSense analog) without commission fees. If you want lower commission fees just choose pay-per-day model like Operation Fabulous offer, it can work on very tiny commission.

Sounds good Roll Eyes

OpFab here I come! I understand you need some commissions, but %25 sounds pretty ridiculous for a Bitcoin-based service. Sorry Roll Eyes

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Managing CPC advertising network requires a lot of work due to various methods of cheating from publishers and consumes a lot of server resources for the targeting options. Therefore it is just IMPOSSIBLE to provide service like CoinURL (or any other AdSense analog) without commission fees. If you want lower commission fees just choose pay-per-day model like Operation Fabulous offer, it can work on very tiny commission.

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you cant withdraw your deposits...only your earnings.....minus 25%

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 01:44:22 PM

Jesus Christ, this is getting worse every minute.

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CoinURL does not guarantee the return of funds from account balance.

What the hell, son?

This is just a legal thing to protect against lawsuits in case of some catastrophic event. Under normal conditions it will never happen, down worry! Many companies include "No warranty" clause in their ToS, it is a common business practice.

So say I deposit X Bitcoins, and somewhere down the road, I cancel my ad campaign with only a small fraction of that lost. So you're saying, you guarantee me %25 percent loss on any funds I actually want back?

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Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 01:44:22 PM

Jesus Christ, this is getting worse every minute.

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CoinURL does not guarantee the return of funds from account balance.

What the hell, son?

This is just a legal thing to protect against lawsuits in case of some catastrophic event. Under normal conditions it will never happen, down worry! Many companies include "No warranty" clause in their ToS, it is a common business practice.

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Just updated FAQ:

Quote from: greyhawk on December 07, 2012, 01:39:52 PM

You can write that in your TOS all you want. Still won't make it legal.

It is absolutely legal and is a common business practice used by major ad networks. Read Google AdSense ToS:

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Google may change its pricing and/or payment structure at any time.

https://www.google.com/adsense/localized-terms

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This whole disaster is a lesson in how not to generate trust in your users and consumers.

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Jesus Christ, this is getting worse every minute.

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CoinURL does not guarantee the return of funds from account balance.

What the hell, son?

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:36:54 PM

greyhawk, This commission was introduced about a month ago and was shown on the "Withdraw" page as "compulsory donation". I never concealed it.

P.S. Now I explicitly named it "commission fee" and wrote about it on main page and FAQ. There is no more indefiniteness.

I'm sorry, but I don't find the word "commission" anywhere on the front page or FAQ.

Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:40:00 PM

Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 01:35:36 PM

So now it doesn't say anything anywhere on your site to tell users that you charge a 25% withdrawal fee? Nice, real classy...

What? Really nowhere?

Nowhere that a user can see prior to signing up! Again, real classy.

You need to tell people your fees UP FRONT BEFORE they sign up.

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you just added that ten minutes ago

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Quote from: SgtSpike on December 07, 2012, 01:35:36 PM

So now it doesn't say anything anywhere on your site to tell users that you charge a 25% withdrawal fee? Nice, real classy...

What? Really nowhere?

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Quote from: giantdragon on December 07, 2012, 01:36:54 PM

greyhawk, This commission was introduced about a month ago and was shown on the "Withdraw" page as "compulsory donation". I never concealed it.

I'm not talking about concealing things. I'm talking about this

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CoinURL reserve the right to charge any commission fee without notice to any user in its sole discretion.

aka "I can charge whomever I want whenever I want whatever the hell I want."

You can write that in your TOS all you want. Still won't make it legal.

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