Topic: wtf? i woke up and it says my bitcoin got sent to some one's address - page 2. (Read 3806 times)

I havent searched around but is there a sticky anywhere on the forum which is like "wallet security for dummies" that teaches step by step on how to properly secure and create both online and offline wallets. A lot of people getting into bitcoin now are not tech professionals, and these hacking incidents are going to hinder mainstream adoption (which i am assuming most of us want).

I got some help directly from one of the trusted members here, but for newbies, creating a cold storage wallet can be seriously intimidating. Remember when you got your first bitcoin? How complex everything seemed?

I think the only difference between a child/teen its they have interest/passion/curiosity. Older people (+25-30)  just want turn on the computer, open web browser and join to facebook. They don't want any different than that. Facebook, maybe search any plane ticket or read some news in their usual newspaper. 

"We very rarely change our music genre beyond age 25"

Jesus, I better stop listening to gangsta rap.

It's ironic that people use the kids argument, because they, like I said, learn rapidly on either OS, because they are wired to learn rapidly.  Thus, they are usually as productive on either, and can easily switch between them.  

What I've discovered, though, is that adults who have used Windows for a long time have a hard time using Linux for the first time.  I've concluded it's not because one is easier than the other, but simply because, like music and many other things, they've become set in their ways and don't adjust to change easily, or learn as rapidly as kids do.  Our brain connections begin to decrease around 18.  We very rarely change our music genre beyond age 25.  

As for mining, well, when I got into it the biggest problem I found was lack of good up-to-date documentation.  It's a fast changing thing.  Heck, I finally got it working with my GPUs on Fedora and Ubuntu, only to learn that ASICs were kicking butt.  SIGH.  

That said, if I were to get into it today, it would be with a raspberry pi and a version of linux setup just for mining on the raspberry pi with USB ASICs.  Here's a youtube to get your started.  

Don't put your wallet on mining PI.  

The only problem by me about Linux is. If something happens and all people die less 2 linux users, they use different distro. This is the problem of Linux.
The companies can offer good support on linux just for linux, its just a kernel.
Its nice have your own system. You choose your favorite philosophy, but the price of that philosophy usually its problems.

WTF its happening now.

Today i put 2 factor to any of my accounts just for that. Right now all related with Bitcoin its getting troubles with the security.
Of course i still thinking use Windows its a serious mistake, but Linux not is the best option, its really easy find many security holes on many Linuxes and more if it have java of any kind. And Chrome its a massive holes browser and the people still using it.

I don't doubt the OP its good IT but all looks like have any hole in your system

Linux has always given me a headache. Windows has better software, better drivers if you know what you're doing it wont slow down.

I'm not saying linux is bad it's just too damn complicated for the average user. I'm well above your average user and I still find it complicated.
Also each new release of linux breaks something. The latest releases of linuxes I wasn't able to get mining working. Although a year ago it was simply plug and play. Or should I say plug and mine. I think that may have actually been cgminers fault, I may have installed the latest one that doesn't have Scrypt support.

Okay lets assume your kid want's to install a game on linux. They have to get you to install it and setup wine.
Kid wants to install a game on windows, download game, click the exe, install, play.

Only problem with windows is that it is where the viruses/malware/etc live.

A gross misperception.  It wasn't until they were prolly 17 or so that their cousin told them it wasn't Windows.  and, the only downside he was able to point out to is that he couldn't hack it.  he liked to show off how easily he could hack windows, telling stories of how he got porn to pop up on all the computers in the class at the same time.  He had the nerve to ask me if he could download an illegal copy of windows and install it so he could hack it!  LOL

BTW, separately, when he was telling them how he did a FB phishing attack with a fake login, he told them I was the only one who didn't fall for it.  

Linux is at least as kid friendly.  You click on Firefox and it opens!  lol.  Facebook and Youtube look the same.  

I loved hearing the kids explain to other kids how it is "just like windows" and how you can do all the same things.  When people make false statements about Linux, I know they have little to no experience using it, because that's the only possible explanation.  Linux is super kid friendly.  It even has special versions for very young kids.  
 

I am not denying that linux is the "safer os", but since (imho) the majority of stolen wallets come with installing malicious bitcoin related software, that might be infected, it won't make much difference. It is not the tricky exploits that this software is using, people are knowingly installing and running it.

Harsh dude, windows is the most kid friendly os around.
They're really missing out.

i think what is happening is that the thief is adding all private keys which hold funds to his wallet so that the totals combine. and then he sends all funds to his address.

it is hard to know when the thief stole the private keys as he could have stolen them weeks ago and just sat on the private keys until he seen a balance total worth stealing

Shockingly, they've been happy with the PS2, PSP and then the PS3. They are grown up now, so they'll have to buy their own PS4. 

Setting aside games, they could do everything on the PC they ever wanted to do.  They never missed Windows, and absolutely love the performance.  They were never deprived.  I build the fastest machines, which, unlike Windows, never get slower. 

When we went camping, fishing, hiking, skiing and boating, we didn't use computers, TVs or the PSP (unless stuck in the tent in rain all day).  That didn't keep them from being really excited about going and having a great time. 

The next big gaming platform is likely to be Linux/Android, btw.  Not just because of Steam, but I demo my tablet with a wireless PS3 controller and HDMI into the TV at 1080p while playing games designed for Tegra 3!  The huge stationary console is dead.  Your phone plus a controller will blow away the PS3/Xbox soon. 

You would of loved me as a father.  Plus, you would of been a lot kooler to people on boards if you were my son.  lol

It is a bit silly to only mention windows. Apple users also run their sessions with full root access and also download their software from random sources. But I take it they would rather remain in silence in order to preserve their [ridiculous] cool factor of apple product owners than to talk about their bad experiences like op did.

But I agree "you use windows" is a bit a bullshit analysis. I've been running linux on all my computers for 8 years, I can defenately confirm that stupid people would not be saved by changing operative system. There are a couple of alternative coins I would like to try out and a shitload of projects on github I would like to toy around with, but I lack the time check the sources or, in some cases it's just binaries that I don't trust.

Then you are a really shitty father. Your kids might want to play something called games, most of which require Windows. Sure you can use Wine, but how stable will be the games there? Also, most games like BF3/BF4 require Origin which is Windows only afaik.

As someone who has used both nearly every day since the beginning for windows (3.1) and a long time for linux/unix (prolly near 2000), and spent a lot of time learning security, the security model is completely different, especially considering features like SE linux. 

I never let the kids use Windows, although I virtually never use it except for work, where i use it over 90% of the time.  On Linux, they can't install things because I don't give them root.  And, if they managed to install anything, the program would be limited to their access.  on linux, the default user access only includes write to their home and tmp, and no one can read another user's access. 

is it technically possible to compromise linux?  of course.  but, the contrast in likelihood is huge if you have kids using it, and you know how to secure the computer from the kids.  i tried and could not find a way to secure the computer from the kids in windows.  it's just to easy to hack -- and thus too easy for malicious software to infect. 

at the end of the day, knowing what i know, i would never put more than i need to spend in one transaction on windows or a mobile device, including Android, because I understand how easily compromised they. 

i may have created one of the first key loggers back in 1982 on an Osborne 1 with the CP/M OS.  it wasn't malicious.  i just wanted function keys in dbase II to work.  but, because it loaded as part of the OS, it was transparently intercepting all keystrokes no matter what software you were running.  i'd demo by telling people to type "this".  they'd be amazed when they watched and when they typed the last character, it would say "that".  basically, it monitored for words and replaced them. 

Then DOS came out with an official way to do this called the terminate stay resident function (TSR). Utilities such as Borland Superkey became available that used this.   

Windows descended from DOS.  Windows 3.1 originally ran on top of it. Being a single user OS, it has no security.  Then, later, security concepts were introduced. 

By contrast, UNIX was a network SO when linux was created by Linus.  So, it was always built with user security in mind rather than an after thought.  SE Linux is killer to have, especially on your servers, because it helps to lock down processes.  then there is chroot and other user and process isolators.     

Then there are the security implications of peer reviewed open source versus closed source.  History has proven that hiding the source does not hide the vulnerabilities.  Also, having a lot of developers collaborate on code is likely to be more secure than having very few develop and review critical parts.   

That said, paper wallets rock.  just don't lose, burn, get water on, etc,... your last copy!  that would suck.  While I trust Linux a heck of a lot more than Windows, if you have a lot, offload it to cold storage until you need it. 

That is fact because
1. The majority of people uses windows
2. Those who use linux are usually much more knowledgeable about how to keep the data safe

It has very little to do with the os itself.

Am I the only one that finds the tx strange? https://blockchain.info/bg/tx/1be54013944faaf392f2c864ba347e69716dfaf7caceb17c0ab5aca0c80308a5

Apart from OP's input, there were several others. 32 coins stolen? Also, what is the wallet client used?

If you have an offline wallet, you'll just the PUBLIC address to look it up someplace like blockchain.info

Don't put any private keys on that computer until you know what happened. And if any were on there, think about making new paper wallets and moving them. Better to be safe than sorry.

if i have an offline wallet, how do i see how much bitcoins is in my wallet?  (serious questions)
i usually just have it up on my screen minimized and i check it every now and then.

Majority of the people who got their wallet stolen uses Windows. That is a fact.