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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 08:28:10 PM

What country was successfully invaded and taken over by an airforce? none.
troops have to take and hold ground. Not easy to do with 105 Million armed civilians. You need to take all the 300 Million guns back first. I do not think you understand this point. One could argue that the 2nd is MORE about protecting the country from FOREIGN invaders than its own government. Read it.

Invaded and taken over? None.

I'd say that Japan could give you two reasons why an Air Force is quite helpful in winning a war without the need to invade.

As for the text, I think it's pretty clear that it was intended for securing a free state regardless of whether those infringing on those rights were foreign or domestic. I agree to your points, and I kind of think we are saying the same thing, but thinking about different scenarios. I don't think anyone could occupy the USA, except the US Military. I don't believe that our country doesn't have enough people with the stones to actually overthrow the government.

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Quote from: Rassah on August 05, 2013, 06:32:13 PM

OK, admit it, how many of you have your entire knowledge of armies, invasion, and defense based entirely on the 1980's version of Red Dawn?

Yes, Russia and you should have learned a good lesson from that documentary. Whose butt did we kick out of here... LOL.
I think Risk has more educational value than West Point though.

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Quote from: KingGoon on August 05, 2013, 05:42:32 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 05:27:30 PM

The entire world does not have enough soldiers to mount a successful land based invasion of the USA.

You must be joking LOL Tongue

do you actualy believe that?

No I am not. Name the army and its size. Sum them if you want. How many troops do you think it would take to invade and hold the US?
Why has no one ever invaded the swiss? There is not that many of them, the terrain is defensible AND they have a shitload of gold. Now, why would no one invade them in one of the great wars?

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Quote from: Damnsammit on August 05, 2013, 05:55:39 PM

Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 05:48:48 PM

I guess you learned that lesson from the poorly armed afgan taliban? How many 50 cal are in private hands in the USA? And "small" arms can be used to get into invader's depots and get better weapons. And then people come help and give you more arms (just to eff with the invaders : afganistan and russia, then USA)

Ehhh... I think you are missing the point. The right to bear arms was much more paramount to the publics protection from their government when the Bill of Rights was drafted. You know, before the government had nuclear warheads and multi-billion dollar destruction machines.
Even if you get your hands on that 50 cal, the captain in the F-16 will just laugh as he shoots a 60 cal at you from the air.
If the tyranny gets to you and you want to revolt, you will need a lot more than what you can legally get your hands on. Of course, the only way anything would be succesful is if you could form a coup with some inside help, IE a general or admiral would be of significant strategic advantage.

What country was successfully invaded and taken over by an airforce? none.
troops have to take and hold ground. Not easy to do with 105 Million armed civilians. You need to take all the 300 Million guns back first. I do not think you understand this point. One could argue that the 2nd is MORE about protecting the country from FOREIGN invaders than its own government. Read it.

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Quote from: Damnsammit on August 05, 2013, 05:32:52 PM

Funny thing about small guns... they don't particularly work well against tanks and missiles...

They work perfectly well; they're the weapon with which the tank rampager in San Diego, Shawn Nelson, was killed, and are capable of killing missile commanders too. Tanks and missiles don't operate themselves, and F-16 pilots have to land sometimes.

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All of my knowledge comes from 6 years in the USAF, and numerous hours of Sid Meier's Civilization. Tongue

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OK, admit it, how many of you have your entire knowledge of armies, invasion, and defense based entirely on the 1980's version of Red Dawn?

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 05:48:48 PM

I guess you learned that lesson from the poorly armed afgan taliban? How many 50 cal are in private hands in the USA? And "small" arms can be used to get into invader's depots and get better weapons. And then people come help and give you more arms (just to eff with the invaders : afganistan and russia, then USA)

Ehhh... I think you are missing the point. The right to bear arms was much more paramount to the publics protection from their government when the Bill of Rights was drafted. You know, before the government had nuclear warheads and multi-billion dollar destruction machines.

Even if you get your hands on that 50 cal, the captain in the F-16 will just laugh as he shoots a 60 cal at you from the air.

If the tyranny gets to you and you want to revolt, you will need a lot more than what you can legally get your hands on. Of course, the only way anything would be succesful is if you could form a coup with some inside help, IE a general or admiral would be of significant strategic advantage.

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It would be very hard unless you could manage to stage a massive amount of troops in Canada and/or Mexico without the US knowing.

Being sandwiched between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans and having the largest naval and air power in the world has it's advantages. Namely, a ground invasion would be pretty damn hard to accomplish...

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Quote from: Damnsammit on August 05, 2013, 05:32:52 PM

Funny thing about small guns... they don't particularly work well against tanks and missiles...

I guess you learned that lesson from the poorly armed afgan taliban? How many 50 cal are in private hands in the USA? And "small" arms can be used to get into invader's depots and get better weapons. And then people come help and give you more arms (just to eff with the invaders : afganistan and russia, then USA)

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 05:27:30 PM

The entire world does not have enough soldiers to mount a successful land based invasion of the USA.

You must be joking LOL Tongue

do you actualy believe that?

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Funny thing about small guns... they don't particularly work well against tanks and missiles...

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"China’s coastline covers approximately 14,500 km from the Bohai gulf on the north to the Gulf of Tonkin on the south."

What's the intel on the number of Chinese ships that could carry enough of their army over here without being sunk?

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funny but not even close. Citizens yes, but not an army. The entire world does not have enough soldiers to mount a successful land based invasion of the USA. Snipers are a real pain in the ass to an organized military. 105 Million heavily armed citizens would be a REAL pain in the butt.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on August 05, 2013, 05:17:02 PM

Quote from: Nik1ab on August 05, 2013, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: J603 on August 05, 2013, 10:35:16 AM

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NSA, CIA, FBI, NRA, IRS and what have you not

Every country has these sorts of organizations. Also, NRA? Huh

National Rifle Association? I thought you wanted freedoms?

But not to give untrained people guns. That's the stupidest idea ever! A few year old kids already killed each other! And psychopaths have the easiest opportunity to kill people.
Normal people don't need ANY guns.

To take over a country you must have a land based operation conquer and take ground. Who has an army large enough to invade a country where the citizens have 300 million guns?

China

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Quote from: Nik1ab on August 05, 2013, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: J603 on August 05, 2013, 10:35:16 AM

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NSA, CIA, FBI, NRA, IRS and what have you not

Every country has these sorts of organizations. Also, NRA? Huh

National Rifle Association? I thought you wanted freedoms?

But not to give untrained people guns. That's the stupidest idea ever! A few year old kids already killed each other! And psychopaths have the easiest opportunity to kill people.
Normal people don't need ANY guns.

To take over a country you must have a land based operation conquer and take ground. Who has an army large enough to invade a country where the citizens have 300 million guns?

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Quote from: Mike Christ on August 05, 2013, 02:47:37 PM

Quote from: Rassah on August 05, 2013, 02:11:16 PM

Since I was not born here, and they don't want me takin' their jerbs, would it be fair for me to not give them any jerbs in my business, too? Wink

Might as well, all other businesses are fleeing Tongue

Where are you from initially?

I am a Soviet Tongue

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i hate the US government soooooooooooooooooooo much Sad

by far the biggest terrorist ever on earth Angry

i rather support terrorist than those a-holes

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Quote from: Rassah on August 05, 2013, 02:11:16 PM

Since I was not born here, and they don't want me takin' their jerbs, would it be fair for me to not give them any jerbs in my business, too? Wink

Might as well, all other businesses are fleeing Tongue

Where are you from initially?

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Quote from: BitCoiner2012 on August 05, 2013, 12:01:30 PM

Quote from: Nik1ab on August 05, 2013, 10:43:26 AM

Quote from: J603 on August 05, 2013, 10:35:16 AM

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NSA, CIA, FBI, NRA, IRS and what have you not

Every country has these sorts of organizations. Also, NRA? Huh

National Rifle Association? I thought you wanted freedoms?

But not to give untrained people guns. That's the stupidest idea ever! A few year old kids already killed each other! And psychopaths have the easiest opportunity to kill people.
Normal people don't need ANY guns.

Normal people are the ones who need guns.. this is crazy to think Americans should be unarmed in the face of a threat domestic or foreign.

*Facepalm* Shocked

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