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Quote from: shibaji on May 01, 2013, 06:29:26 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:42:57 AM

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

That is hard to do, and such rule set should also include what is legitimate auction item, and what is not allowed - like auctioning volatile items (read cryptocurrencies).

Why is this hard to do?

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:42:57 AM

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

That is hard to do, and such rule set should also include what is legitimate auction item, and what is not allowed - like auctioning volatile items (read cryptocurrencies).

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Quote from: Rampion on May 01, 2013, 05:39:30 AM

Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

Yeah, but what happens when an auctioneer does not honor the winner, like in this case? And what a bidder refuses to pay? Maybe a scammer tag is not appropriate, but a blacklist to the auction subforum should be enforced IMO

What i dont like in this subforum is that there is no stickythread at all that would give some security to bidders and auctioners. Some basic rules that have to be followed.
Something like that should be created.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on May 01, 2013, 05:24:04 AM

Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

Yeah, but what happens when an auctioneer does not honor the winner, like in this case? And what a bidder refuses to pay? Maybe a scammer tag is not appropriate, but a blacklist to the auction subforum should be enforced IMO

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Quote from: shibaji on April 30, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

And why are you sure that there is such an offer via pm and its no shill bidding? Or that the seller doesnt think the price is too low to sell it for this price now?
Anyway... the playingfield was set beforehand. This forum is made to not be able to scam by not being allowed to edit posts with bids. Bidding via pm is undergoing this. And its unfair to other bidders that doesnt even know that there was such offer or if there is such offer in reality.
Im not sure about the scammer tag because no one said before that handling it this way will be a scam. But there should be a rule that this isnt allowed and bids via pm are worthless.

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A scammer tag for not selling it item in auction, instead selling it to highest payer ? LOL

1. Don't dilute the tag. There are bigger criminals around here who have more legitimate right to that tag.
2. Welcome to real world. Things get sold for highest price, and buyer chooses what to buy - that's about it. Don't like it ? Better luck next time. Really really want it ? Trump the offer. I see that tempt already said he will honor over 96 btc, right ? Go for it.

No one is going to take a loss for "honoring the code" in an internet forum where greed and lie galore.

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I'm a bit new here, so my posts don't show myself to be dedicated. But I am dedicated in how I handle affairs and have plenty of references as well as a willingness to meet any "wierdo" from the internet. Scammers are few and far apart but have a way of being noticed.

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Second the tag request.

I've had a bad experience of this nature myself when trying to bid on an auction here, only to have the item sold out from under me by some PM offer:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1891324

If nothing is done when this happens, it diminishes the value of having auctions on the forums.

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Is there a common path where I can prove my own legitimacy?

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Cool. Really?

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Quote from: jordaninthesky on April 30, 2013, 10:08:13 PM

how do i locate a scammer tag?

it would be added next to their user name for everyone to see.

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how do i locate a scammer tag?

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Quote from: slakeco on April 30, 2013, 05:03:57 PM

Quote from: cycloid on April 30, 2013, 11:44:01 AM

I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

Yes, please! This really put a sour taste in my mouth for BCT's auctions. I think based on the OP and the auction end time, I should have won both units. Perhaps, I was some grief in the end, by not having my bid honored...

Yes, I think this is not the first time OP does this - correct?

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Quote from: cycloid on April 30, 2013, 11:44:01 AM

I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

Yes, please! This really put a sour taste in my mouth for BCT's auctions. I think based on the OP and the auction end time, I should have won both units. Perhaps, I was some grief in the end, by not having my bid honored...

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I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here. Undecided

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Quote from: SebastianJu on April 30, 2013, 06:06:05 AM

Are there official rules for auctions in this thread? I didnt found a sticky about this.

Anyway... bidding via pm corrupts the whole purpose of this subforum. The bids placed in thread are binding, they cant be edited. A bid via pm doesnt exist. The auctioner could claim there are higher bids and no bidder could prove. This way shill bidding would become possible. Plus no other bidded can react on an offer placed by pm, because he dont know that its there.

In my opinion the playing field was set and cant be changed afterwards because someone thinks he found a trick to outbid every other bidder without risk of being outbid.

Maybe mods should say something about.

+10000000

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Quote from: Rampion on April 28, 2013, 02:38:08 PM

It's outrageous when somebody starts an auction and then sells the goods via PM. If you start an auction you have to honor its winner (and if you bid you have to honor your bid), otherwise all this is a joke. I think a scammer tag would be appropriate.

Agreed.

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Are there official rules for auctions in this thread? I didnt found a sticky about this.

Anyway... bidding via pm corrupts the whole purpose of this subforum. The bids placed in thread are binding, they cant be edited. A bid via pm doesnt exist. The auctioner could claim there are higher bids and no bidder could prove. This way shill bidding would become possible. Plus no other bidded can react on an offer placed by pm, because he dont know that its there.

In my opinion the playing field was set and cant be changed afterwards because someone thinks he found a trick to outbid every other bidder without risk of being outbid.

Maybe mods should say something about.

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I was under impression that pm sales during auction was against the rules ? Undecided

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Quote from: Hiroaki on April 28, 2013, 08:44:50 PM

Simple Question:
I asked if "Accumulate got the Avalon outside the auction ?

sorry, the phrasing of your sentence caused my parsing to fail Sad

as to your question, according to forum time, it's candoo or slakeco.

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