TECHSHARE won't give me the TXID... or allow signed..
What ever you guys are trying it's not going to work..
I think your little ruse on the new silver seller is about to unravel in your faces.
Let's await the 2 buyers reviews from here on in...
Who's being difficult now? Not me I was more than willing to accommodate but not when the terms are stacked against me
Topic: [WTS] BitcoinTalk Custom Hand-Poured .999 Fine Silver Bars - [ Now Sold ] - page 5. (Read 2012 times)
February 21, 2020, 04:38:03 PM
February 21, 2020, 04:36:56 PM
I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)
This is actually fair and I support you MagicByt3 in your slight skepticism after reading that if true. If it was your chosen escrow (meaning you sincerely trust the escrow) then I could see you being a little more trusting. However with TECSHARE asking for his escrow choice and then you being refused the escrow address is a bit alarming.
Even though I trust both TECSHARE and minerjones with easily over 1BTC I also strongly believe in "verify, don't trust".
Your fight here should be about blockchain transparency and nobody would be arguing with you. I have always seen the escrow'd address while on both sides(buyer/seller). This seems odd.
Also the fact Techsahre is sending me PM's now saying NO SIGNATURE on the delivery..
this is not normal practice for anyone I feel bullied into using some escrow service I have no proof of payment, not allowed to send recorded SIGNED FOR delivery and being threatened with my reputation in the topic.
I have already been - trust by MJ on my trust list.
As far as I am concerned I will retract the bid and await my review from the buyers and escrow that has been accepted.
If you think these sort of bully tactics will work in getting what YOU want over whats best and safe practice then you have another thing coming.
I also find it horrible to see that Bitcointalk has stooped so low like this with threats by people with trust to new services (Yea i've read all the topics with VOD) and others. And I won't be dragged into something like that with you techshare or MJ for that matter.
The terms of the Escrow are ALL in favor of the buyer with NO proof or Verify of even a payment to the escrow.
There was even the offer of using the same escrow that has been very helpful to the situation from the start but again they said no to this option even thought 2 other bars went this way..
The only people being difficult here are you guys I was more than happy to ship to the escrow but for some reason that was not acceptable so the deal is off in my view.
February 21, 2020, 04:24:42 PM
I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)
This is actually fair and I support you MagicByt3 in your slight skepticism after reading that if true. If it was your chosen escrow (meaning you sincerely trust the escrow) then I could see you being a little more trusting. However with TECSHARE asking for his escrow choice and then you being refused the escrow address is a bit alarming.
Even though I trust both TECSHARE and minerjones with easily over 1BTC I also strongly believe in "verify, don't trust".
Your fight here should be about blockchain transparency and nobody would be arguing with you. I have always seen the escrow'd address while on both sides(buyer/seller). This seems odd.
February 21, 2020, 04:23:41 PM
I have put trust in someone here just seems you can't read or don't want to read.
I have send bars out already 2 of them 1 escrow and 1 paid..
I think we wait for them to reply then we will see.
Until then I will continue to speak with MJ and Techshare via PM..
I have send bars out already 2 of them 1 escrow and 1 paid..
I think we wait for them to reply then we will see.
Until then I will continue to speak with MJ and Techshare via PM..
February 21, 2020, 04:11:07 PM
Whatever mate...
You think name calling is going to help?
I am putting a stop to this now before this get's out of hand "again"
For the record.
I have said I would accept MJ as escrow if he was receiving the bar and funds and being a proper escrow as he said in his PM he could do.
I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)
No one else has had this issue the other bars are on route to the buyer with no issues.
So we will await there reply to the topic until then we will wait and see who has integrity here mob rule and bully tactics won't work with me i'm afraid I've been about here longer than you will ever be rxalts...
Don't bother with a reply because you say nothing of substance anyway other than trying to troll the topic into the ground with your alt account.
You think name calling is going to help?
I am putting a stop to this now before this get's out of hand "again"
For the record.
I have said I would accept MJ as escrow if he was receiving the bar and funds and being a proper escrow as he said in his PM he could do.
I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)
No one else has had this issue the other bars are on route to the buyer with no issues.
So we will await there reply to the topic until then we will wait and see who has integrity here mob rule and bully tactics won't work with me i'm afraid I've been about here longer than you will ever be rxalts...
Don't bother with a reply because you say nothing of substance anyway other than trying to troll the topic into the ground with your alt account.
February 21, 2020, 04:01:15 PM
LOL everything I’m saying is factual, what part would you like me to grow up on, please clarify. You’ve literally pissed off everyone. Do you not realize not a single person has agreed with you? Not 1 out of 10, Trump is more rationale than you. You brush off every valid point i make so come on buddy, let’s be adults and see you actually provided basis to your claims. Let’s start here first:
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....
He said Normal Post....
Oh really? That’s funny because your post office website says otherwise: https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/uk-signed
Sounds like you did the same research on shipping methods that led you to believe MJ might be a scammer and that your silver bars are more sought after than a 1000 BTC Cas coin
are you thick?
NORMAL POST.....
not Signed for post....
there two different things
I have said I would ship to MJ as escrow if that's not accepted then the deal is not accepted it's that simple.
I find it rather strange or not that your here defending something you know very little about. also your looking for any little loophole to make it into a mountain at every turn.
here in the UK when you tell someone normal post that is NOT SIGNED FOR.. normal post would mean pop some stamps on it and pop it in the box..
February 21, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
LOL everything I’m saying is factual, what part would you like me to grow up on, please clarify. You’ve literally pissed off everyone. Do you not realize not a single person has agreed with you? Not 1 out of 10, Trump is more rationale than you. You brush off every valid point i make so come on buddy, let’s be adults and see you actually provided basis to your claims. Let’s start here first:
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....
He said Normal Post....
Oh really? That’s funny because your post office website says otherwise: https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/uk-signed
Sounds like you did the same research on shipping methods that led you to believe MJ might be a scammer and that your silver bars are more sought after than a 1000 BTC Cas coin
are you thick?
NORMAL POST.....
not Signed for post....
there two different things
February 21, 2020, 03:56:50 PM
LOL everything I’m saying is factual, what part would you like me to grow up on, please clarify. You’ve literally pissed off everyone. Do you not realize not a single person has agreed with you? Not 1 out of 10, Trump is more rationale than you. You brush off every valid point i make so come on buddy, let’s be adults and see you actually provided basis to your claims. Let’s start here first:
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....
He said Normal Post....
Oh really? That’s funny because your post office website says otherwise: https://www.postoffice.co.uk/mail/uk-signed
Sounds like you did the same research on shipping methods that led you to believe MJ might be a scammer and that your silver bars are more sought after than a 1000 BTC Cas coin
February 21, 2020, 03:55:01 PM
LOL everything I’m saying is factual, what part would you like me to grow up on, please clarify. You’ve literally pissed off everyone. Do you not realize not a single person has agreed with you? Not 1 out of 10, Trump is more rationale than you. You brush off every valid point i make so come on buddy, let’s be adults and see you actually provided basis to your claims. Let’s start here first:
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....
He said Normal Post....
You can add Signature confirmation to any type of USPS shipment. UK I don't know about.
https://imgur.com/9sWgEic
February 21, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
LOL everything I’m saying is factual, what part would you like me to grow up on, please clarify. You’ve literally pissed off everyone. Do you not realize not a single person has agreed with you? Not 1 out of 10, Trump is more rationale than you. You brush off every valid point i make so come on buddy, let’s be adults and see you actually provided basis to your claims. Let’s start here first:
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
WHERE ARE THE MESSAGES THAT SAY NO SIGNED DELIVERY?! WE ARE WAITING
normal post is not signed for in the UK nor is it signed for in the US....
He said Normal Post....
February 21, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
Can you do me a favor and use those cute ass red boxes and give me a box around where it says NO SIGNATURE? Maybe I’m missing something or more likely that you’re so damn stupid that you cropped it out but I’m not seeing anywhere where it says that. Last time I checked FedEx and UPS aren’t the only companies that offer signature delivery because I even signed for a package from DHL yesterday.
You are wasting everyone’s time to the point that they don’t want to help you. Self reflect already and realize you’re shitting the bed so hard that you might as well just hand out these ugly ass bars in hope people may want them in the future.
Riddle me this, why would a clueless fuck make a bitcointalk collectible but not actually understand how the forum works? Like what is your alamjob-esque motivation?
You are wasting everyone’s time to the point that they don’t want to help you. Self reflect already and realize you’re shitting the bed so hard that you might as well just hand out these ugly ass bars in hope people may want them in the future.
Riddle me this, why would a clueless fuck make a bitcointalk collectible but not actually understand how the forum works? Like what is your alamjob-esque motivation?
Grow up kid... move on..
and shitting myself over what exactly??
I can't wait for the reviews to come for the bars that have been send out already..
Then we will see who is eating there words.
and thanks for the - trust by the escrow agent..
Just showing there not willing to ESCROW this deal in a proper manner.
I await post's from last of the V8's and Corrosive on there bars delivery will be on Monday so you can just hold you horses until them.
and as far as I am concerned the escrow offered is not escrow at all.
February 21, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
If you are worried about $100 in btc, maybe you have more pressing matters in life.....
This is not the place for you.
This is not the place for you.
Not correct at all.
I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.
Where is the protection for me as the seller here?
To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.
If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.
Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.
None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.
I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.
MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?
If you’re going to be a little bitch about a sig then just pay $3 and move on, like is the courier holding a gun to your head saying you can’t pay for sig? Please tell us which members you’ve so thoroughly observed fall from the ranks as you can’t even observe auction rules that occur daily.
Also accommodate this: my first deal with MJ and two other forum members required me to send 2.4 BTC to MJ and I didn’t even ask him once where anything was let alone insult his reputation like you have. Let me make this as clear as possible for you, if you don’t trust MJ then you won’t trust anyone on this forum so either do as you’re told by MJ or fuck right off to Etsy like a good lad as it has already been appropriately suggested.
The BUYER has asked me NOT to use a signed for service like UPS or FED-EX...
and I was offered Verification by MJ in PM...
Both convos are here for you to look over if you can't understand what I am telling you...
I agreed to sending it to MJ I have no issues but I WON'T send via standard post....
MJ also offered the verification then they both backtracked to saying no direct send.
So I was offered to send it to the escrow and now that option is no longer available for what ever reason and I have been asked to send it by "standard" post directly to the buyer.
its not Escrow in any sense of the word
Being in escrow is a contractual arrangement in which a third party (the stakeholder or escrow agent) receives and disburses money or property for the primary transacting parties,
Tecshare most likely does not want Fed Ex or UPS if they use a post office box. I do the same. You can still send via postal service TRACKED so you can prove it arrived. If you send Tecshare the bar you will get paid. I know this I have I have done many successful trades with Tecshare and there is never any drama. Look at their feedback for verification of their trustworthiness. If you cannot trust the systems which have worked on this forum for years then you should not be trading here.
February 21, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
If you are worried about $100 in btc, maybe you have more pressing matters in life.....
This is not the place for you.
This is not the place for you.
Not correct at all.
I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.
Where is the protection for me as the seller here?
To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.
If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.
Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.
None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.
I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.
MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?
If you’re going to be a little bitch about a sig then just pay $3 and move on, like is the courier holding a gun to your head saying you can’t pay for sig? Please tell us which members you’ve so thoroughly observed fall from the ranks as you can’t even observe auction rules that occur daily.
Also accommodate this: my first deal with MJ and two other forum members required me to send 2.4 BTC to MJ and I didn’t even ask him once where anything was let alone insult his reputation like you have. Let me make this as clear as possible for you, if you don’t trust MJ then you won’t trust anyone on this forum so either do as you’re told by MJ or fuck right off to Etsy like a good lad as it has already been appropriately suggested.
The BUYER has asked me NOT to use a signed for service like UPS or FED-EX...
and I was offered Verification by MJ in PM...
Both convos are here for you to look over if you can't understand what I am telling you...
I agreed to sending it to MJ I have no issues but I WON'T send via standard post....
MJ also offered the verification then they both backtracked to saying no direct send.
So I was offered to send it to the escrow and now that option is no longer available for what ever reason and I have been asked to send it by "standard" post directly to the buyer.
its not Escrow in any sense of the word
Being in escrow is a contractual arrangement in which a third party (the stakeholder or escrow agent) receives and disburses money or property for the primary transacting parties,
February 21, 2020, 03:18:56 PM
If you are worried about $100 in btc, maybe you have more pressing matters in life.....
This is not the place for you.
This is not the place for you.
Not correct at all.
I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.
Where is the protection for me as the seller here?
To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.
If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.
Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.
None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.
I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.
MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?
Reviews:
-That's how escrow works here: as described by everyone else
-Techshare is reputable enough to where I would probably just send first knowing they wont want to wreck their account over a tidbit of silver.
- 4 pages of back and forth and time spent explaining and encouraging is worth more than $200 of btc that is at risk.
- look back at thousands of auctions here. Not a peep about escrow like what you are explaining is being asked for unless the reciever does not want to give out their address to the seller and escrow has agreed to reship due to this fact.
February 21, 2020, 03:15:14 PM
At this point I'd rather buy silver off this guy than OP.
February 21, 2020, 03:08:22 PM
If you are worried about $100 in btc, maybe you have more pressing matters in life.....
This is not the place for you.
This is not the place for you.
Not correct at all.
I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.
Where is the protection for me as the seller here?
To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.
If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.
Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.
None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.
I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.
MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?
If you're so worried about shipping to the buyer
1) USPS includes tracking if you purchase the shipping online, no matter what type of shipping it is.
2) Spend $3 out of pocket and ask for a signature, if the buyer is unable to sign for the package he can pick it up at the post office.
February 21, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
If you are worried about $100 in btc, maybe you have more pressing matters in life.....
This is not the place for you.
This is not the place for you.
Not correct at all.
I was happy to send the bars out to escrow but it seems the terms of it are being dictated to me by the buyer.
I have send out 2 of the bars today to escrow also I am not happy sending the 3rd one via regular post where no signature would be required on delivery.
Where is the protection for me as the seller here?
To be honest forum rep means very little ive seen people with 100's of trust fall from grace here so that is not even a valid argument.
If escrow was collecting both the item and the funds I have no issues.
Sending direct to the buyer without sign on delivery is a NO NO as if something goes wrong or he claims he didn't get it there no proof of delivery.
None of what I am saying is un-reasonable, unless you have more pressing concerns about a new silver business in "your" space.
I look forward to reviews from the other members who have been more accommodating and helpful in this matter.
MJ you also said in your PM you could accept the bar and verify it if requested now that's not an option why so?
*** edit **
Also no one is claiming anything about scamming the bar from me I never once said this I said I was not happy with the terms of the escrow after being told I could send to the escrow and have it verified then being told no you have to send it to the buyer direct.
So don't go off topic here and go down the road of "exit scam" for a small bit of silver that is NOT the issue here.
February 21, 2020, 02:52:29 PM
OP is making escrow very difficult.
Not sure what their deal is.....
We have all been here for years and know how things run.
No one is trying to rip you off or take your silver bar or btc.
We are trying to help out, yet you seem resistant to anything.
Either get with the program or don't sell your items on here
Not sure what their deal is.....
We have all been here for years and know how things run.
No one is trying to rip you off or take your silver bar or btc.
We are trying to help out, yet you seem resistant to anything.
Either get with the program or don't sell your items on here
The terms have been set out by the buyer..
1. The buyer wants me to use standard post to send the item. not Fed-ex or UPS style services.
2. The bar is to be directly send to the buyer not to the escrow.
3. No TXID is being supplied to me to prove a payment was made to the escrow?
How is this escrow if I have to send directly to the buyer escrow is to protect BOTH party's not just the buyer.
I did ask to send it direct to MJ escrow but he said no the buyer has requested direct send.
What is to stop the buyer saying the bar didn't arrive? nothing... so this "Escrow" that is being insisted on offers me the SELLER no protection at all.
I am happy to ship to the escrow agent MJ and have my item verified and shipped onto the buyer but I will not be shipping the item directly to the buyer that's not how escrow works and you both know that.
User and buyer agree a price.
Buyer send payment to the escrow
Escrow confirms the payment to the seller.
Seller ships item to the Escrow.
Escrow then validate the item then releases payment to the seller.
Item is shipped to the buyer.
Item is held by the Escrow not the buyer..
If the buyer were to be holding the item what is to stop them saying they didn't receive the item also the fact he's asked for me to send it via Normal Post... not UPS or FED-EX style services.
Sorry guys but i'm not being held over the coals like this when it's clear there's not any protection for me the Seller in this process you have told me.
I'm not being difficult at all I just think the terms don't add up.
Lol just caught up on this. Trust the system it works and has been working with mj and all other prominent escrow agents on this forum if done this way. Deals have been made to the tune of 10s of thousands of dollars this way with nothing but success. No one is trying to rip off your bar, I dont know techshare personally but they have been a member here for years. It wasnt a decade long build up to exit scam a small bit of silver. Trust the system.
February 21, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
~blob of inexperience~
I have consistently through my time here used various different escrows across the forum and never once have shipped my item to the escrow. It is always direct send. I have been the buyer and the seller for many high priced items.Saying "you and I both know this isn't how escrow works" is completely wrong and shows your inexperience and stubbornness.
In your case if TECSHARE opted to have no tracking and USPS to ship this item then I would actually state to the escrow that in the event of a mailing mishap, due to no tracking and a cheaper form of shipment, that the buyer (TECSHARE) accept full responsibility for the item and shipping costs. Escrow terms can and should have input by both parties, aswell as suggestions from the escrow in the case of any disagreement.
There are many suggestions and explanations to teach and share here but I read how you took criticism and gentle explaining for the auction bids this last week. No one here wants to continue to assist you when you are a disaster waiting to happen. You have tainted a unique bitcointalk.org branded collectible and it will never be worth anything more than spot in resale value.
Good luck with future endeavors. This one didn't quite turn out. Maybe PayPal buyer/seller protection is a better fit for you.. on a different forum.. on eBay.. on Etsy.
February 21, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
OP is making escrow very difficult.
Not sure what their deal is.....
We have all been here for years and know how things run.
No one is trying to rip you off or take your silver bar or btc.
We are trying to help out, yet you seem resistant to anything.
Either get with the program or don't sell your items on here
Not sure what their deal is.....
We have all been here for years and know how things run.
No one is trying to rip you off or take your silver bar or btc.
We are trying to help out, yet you seem resistant to anything.
Either get with the program or don't sell your items on here
The terms have been set out by the buyer..
1. The buyer wants me to use standard post to send the item. not Fed-ex or UPS style services.
2. The bar is to be directly send to the buyer not to the escrow.
3. No TXID is being supplied to me to prove a payment was made to the escrow?
How is this escrow if I have to send directly to the buyer escrow is to protect BOTH party's not just the buyer.
I did ask to send it direct to MJ escrow but he said no the buyer has requested direct send.
What is to stop the buyer saying the bar didn't arrive? nothing... so this "Escrow" that is being insisted on offers me the SELLER no protection at all.
I am happy to ship to the escrow agent MJ and have my item verified and shipped onto the buyer but I will not be shipping the item directly to the buyer that's not how escrow works and you both know that.
User and buyer agree a price.
Buyer send payment to the escrow
Escrow confirms the payment to the seller.
Seller ships item to the Escrow.
Escrow then validate the item then releases payment to the seller.
Item is shipped to the buyer.
Item is held by the Escrow not the buyer..
If the buyer were to be holding the item what is to stop them saying they didn't receive the item also the fact he's asked for me to send it via Normal Post... not UPS or FED-EX style services.
Sorry guys but i'm not being held over the coals like this when it's clear there's not any protection for me the Seller in this process you have told me.
I'm not being difficult at all I just think the terms don't add up.
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