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legendary
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You can always download Crypti nodes and run them yourself, however once Foundation nodes come back up, the blockchain consensus will take your fork to what the majority of nodes agrees. This is very similar to how NXT (or any other crypto for the matter) works as well.
Without open source or some verifiable math of your forging algo such statements are appropriate in some religious temple.  Angry Why we have to believe you?  Roll Eyes
Fact is: nobody managed to forge a block without your servers.  Cry
hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

I specifically mentioned SyRenity & Boris, as the people who should maintain better communication in times like these. If you check my previous posts I acknowledged both you and samsmith16 as keeping communication up during the developers absence in this thread.

Although you gave us some info, it wasn't enough for anyone to grasp the situation. If you look at the rest of the community's responses to my posts, you'll see that we continuously asked for more info.

There were some key questions which SyRenity managed to clear up :

Q : Why was the network put offline?

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A : This was done as an emergency measure to avoid possible forks with the PoT stability issues that we have discovered, while we are working on a proper solution for them. The intended pause period was expected to be a day at most, however unfortunately re-working the PoT took much more time than planned, thus causing the extended delay.

Q : Was it stopped Intentionally? How can you stop a decentralized network Intentionally?

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A : Foundation own nodes where stopped, which form for the moment the majority of Crypti network.
Naturally people running their own nodes are not affected by that, however the main services (exchanges, etc...) are working with Crypti nodes.
Once we get the Windows version out, we certainly looking for a change of this situation, where Foundation nodes are the minority.

Q : What will be the next version coming out 0.16D/0.17 and will the Windows Wallet be released?

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A :  We will release the new 0.1.7 version (both Linux and Windows) to the wide circulation.

(Boris kept on saying that 0.16D would be coming out to fix bugs and 0.17 would come later with Windows Wallet in tow. We now have confirmed that the next release will be 0.17 not 0.16D and will contain the Windows Wallet

Q : Does this now mean that the network will remain down for however long this PoT fix takes, possibly weeks?

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A : We are working to restore it to fully functional order as soon as possible, with the target to have it up and running within days.

Before SyRenity posted we barely knew why the network was down, let alone when it would be online again. He came and he answered most if not all of our questions, which is what we've been asking for the past 4 or so days.

My post was a Rodney Dangerfield quote and meant as a jest. But thank you for unnecessarily expanding on your apparent belief that I am not appropriately doing my job.

hero member
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So Crypti was never made a decentralized crypto  Angry
What a discovery!  Shocked
All this bs about everybody can forge with 1000 coins was lie? Because nobody can forge without this mysteruous "own nodes"?  Huh

Do you remember NXT network was down >4 days?  Tongue No, because maximum was 2. So your argument is irrelevant. Roll Eyes

You can always download Crypti nodes and run them yourself, however once Foundation nodes come back up, the blockchain consensus will take your fork to what the majority of nodes agrees. This is very similar to how NXT (or any other crypto for the matter) works as well.

As per downtime, while it's definitely bad and has to be resolved ASAP, it has no relation to the matter of discussion at hand. Code changes (including core) are a reality of any product, and I merely pointed out the fact that NXT, which you quite understandably champion, share same reality as well.
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

I specifically mentioned SyRenity & Boris, as the people who should maintain better communication in times like these. If you check my previous posts I acknowledged both you and samsmith16 as keeping communication up during the developers absence in this thread.

Although you gave us some info, it wasn't enough for anyone to grasp the situation. If you look at the rest of the community's responses to my posts, you'll see that we continuously asked for more info, but all we got is the same  "We are testing new PoT implementation, bear with us" statement re-phrased multiple times.

There were some key questions which SyRenity managed to clear up :

Q : Why was the network put offline?

Quote
A : This was done as an emergency measure to avoid possible forks with the PoT stability issues that we have discovered, while we are working on a proper solution for them. The intended pause period was expected to be a day at most, however unfortunately re-working the PoT took much more time than planned, thus causing the extended delay.

Q : Was it stopped Intentionally? How can you stop a decentralized network Intentionally?

Quote
A : Foundation own nodes where stopped, which form for the moment the majority of Crypti network.
Naturally people running their own nodes are not affected by that, however the main services (exchanges, etc...) are working with Crypti nodes.
Once we get the Windows version out, we certainly looking for a change of this situation, where Foundation nodes are the minority.

Q : What will be the next version coming out 0.16D/0.17 and will the Windows Wallet be released?

Quote
A :  We will release the new 0.1.7 version (both Linux and Windows) to the wide circulation.

(Boris kept on saying that 0.16D would be coming out to fix bugs and 0.17 would come later with Windows Wallet in tow. We now have confirmed that the next release will be 0.17 not 0.16D and will contain the Windows Wallet

Q : Does this now mean that the network will remain down for however long this PoT fix takes, possibly weeks?

Quote
A : We are working to restore it to fully functional order as soon as possible, with the target to have it up and running within days.

Before SyRenity posted we barely knew why the network was down, let alone when it would be online again. He came and he answered most if not all of our questions, which is what we've been asking for the past 4 or so days.


like I said I believe you are very toxic for every coin you enter. I think you should be quiet if you want to "help your investment"

Instead of having the developers working hard on the code you rather have them come here to hold your hand and explain what other people on the team has already said over and over. To top it off, you try to spread fud in here too. Gratz man you get a clap on the shoulder from me.

What? getting things cleared up is helpful. this summery is very helpful. Thanks @wulf.



I deleted post since I don't want to waste time on this guy. I'll put my energy elsewhere. But you'll see
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Was it stopped Intentionally? How can you stop a decentralized network Intentionally? is it decentralized?

Foundation own nodes where stopped, which form for the moment the majority of Crypti network.
So Crypti was never made a decentralized crypto  Angry
What a discovery!  Shocked
All this bs about everybody can forge with 1000 coins was lie? Because nobody can forge without this mysteruous "own nodes"?  Huh

I'm actually certain that you, as NXT early adopter, is quite accustomed to a changing code Smiley :
https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/commits/all

Just look through the last 2 months commits and see how many NXT core changes you can spot (comments with "blocks", "peers", "rollback" and so on).
Do you remember NXT network was down >4 days?  Tongue No, because maximum was 2. So your argument is irrelevant. Roll Eyes

Yes, let's compare every aspect of NXT to this and if it doesn't perfectly match something is very wrong!!!111111

Also with only Linux users I am not surprised the foundation holds most nodes they probably rented up a few once they started XCR to protect the network.
When they release for windows it'll be different. <- my guess
legendary
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Was it stopped Intentionally? How can you stop a decentralized network Intentionally? is it decentralized?

Foundation own nodes where stopped, which form for the moment the majority of Crypti network.
So Crypti was never made a decentralized crypto  Angry
What a discovery!  Shocked
All this bs about everybody can forge with 1000 coins was lie? Because nobody can forge without this mysteruous "own nodes"?  Huh

I'm actually certain that you, as NXT early adopter, is quite accustomed to a changing code Smiley :
https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/commits/all

Just look through the last 2 months commits and see how many NXT core changes you can spot (comments with "blocks", "peers", "rollback" and so on).
Do you remember NXT network was down >4 days?  Tongue No, because maximum was 2. So your argument is irrelevant. Roll Eyes
legendary
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hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

Seems that most are too lazy to look at posts that may be (OH MY GOSH) two hours old!!!.  Much easier to flame and complain than to go back a page.



Please see my post above ^^.

Yes, Wulf, you are the exception to the rule
hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

Seems that most are too lazy to look at posts that may be (OH MY GOSH) two hours old!!!.  Much easier to flame and complain than to go back a page.



Please see my post above ^^.
hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

I specifically mentioned SyRenity & Boris, as the people who should maintain better communication in times like these. If you check my previous posts I acknowledged both you and samsmith16 as keeping communication up during the developers absence in this thread.

Although you gave us some info, it wasn't enough for anyone to grasp the situation. If you look at the rest of the community's responses to my posts, you'll see that we continuously asked for more info.

There were some key questions which SyRenity managed to clear up :

Q : Why was the network put offline?

Quote
A : This was done as an emergency measure to avoid possible forks with the PoT stability issues that we have discovered, while we are working on a proper solution for them. The intended pause period was expected to be a day at most, however unfortunately re-working the PoT took much more time than planned, thus causing the extended delay.

Q : Was it stopped Intentionally? How can you stop a decentralized network Intentionally?

Quote
A : Foundation own nodes where stopped, which form for the moment the majority of Crypti network.
Naturally people running their own nodes are not affected by that, however the main services (exchanges, etc...) are working with Crypti nodes.
Once we get the Windows version out, we certainly looking for a change of this situation, where Foundation nodes are the minority.

Q : What will be the next version coming out 0.16D/0.17 and will the Windows Wallet be released?

Quote
A :  We will release the new 0.1.7 version (both Linux and Windows) to the wide circulation.

(Boris kept on saying that 0.16D would be coming out to fix bugs and 0.17 would come later with Windows Wallet in tow. We now have confirmed that the next release will be 0.17 not 0.16D and will contain the Windows Wallet

Q : Does this now mean that the network will remain down for however long this PoT fix takes, possibly weeks?

Quote
A : We are working to restore it to fully functional order as soon as possible, with the target to have it up and running within days.

Before SyRenity posted we barely knew why the network was down, let alone when it would be online again. He came and he answered most if not all of our questions, which is what we've been asking for the past 4 or so days.
hero member
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Totally agree. What I don't get is that you guys have over 750 BTC, which as you said you intend to use within one year, but you revert to a cheap freelance site for your designs, where you pay at max $ 250 for a bunch of horrible designs.

I know that GreXX is your creative designer, and he would have asked for more of a budget, but to the rest of the team, what does it take you to realise how much of an impact design actually makes.

I'm not sure this was answered, however 99 designs are not intended to be used a final design result. Think of this as a way to get quickly (and relatively cheaply) a brain-storming of hundreds of designers world-wide, which you can later use with your main designer.

From our experience on past (non-crypto) projects, this significantly cuts down on rounds with the designer.

Also, please rest assured that design is very important for us, and we going to release something of truly world-class quality. Part of my visit to Russia was to ensure we find a design partner that will be able to deliver our vision of how crypti should look like, and I belie we've found the right one.
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Good News..... The Crypti Team all have new workstations that are guaranteed to increase productivity:

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The bottom line is I don't feel they are amateurs I feel they handle it ok. The one thing I can agree too is that I feel there should be more developers so we can speed up the coding process. For this to happend I feel like the Crypti team might have to take it down a notch (as in realizing there are many talented developers other than themselves) because what you need is manpower. I believe you set up mid october - late october for your short term goals right now that doesn't look too near if this isn't resolved soon and that will dissapoint even myself whom is a pretty calm investor but like I said new things take time and patience is often rewarded because it is a rare condition in these parts. /rant off
/5KB

Thanks for the kind words.

After PoT re-implementation and Windows wallet final release, hiring is our top priority (together with custom block-chains). While the BTC rates are making this more challenging, we working on a solution to bring quality talent, that will stay with us with for an adequate amount of time to reach all the goals that we have planned.
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Lets get back to the design of the logo.

I really like this one. Posted by klopper.  Perhaps our community can use this as a base and experiment with colors, sheen, reflections, shadows, etc:


hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!

Seems that most are too lazy to look at posts that may be (OH MY GOSH) two hours old!!!.  Much easier to flame and complain than to go back a page.

hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Are you joking? I have been here saying all of this the entire time?!? I don't get no respect!!
hero member
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But on the other hand changing code means:
if devs knew that the code was bad but used it - this "network" was only a demo (not beta, not alfa) and may be it must be restarted;  Roll Eyes
if devs discovered that code was bad only now - there is no guarantee that their new code will not be bad again, this is incompetence.  Angry

I'm actually certain that you, as NXT early adopter, is quite accustomed to a changing code Smiley :
https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/commits/all

Just look through the last 2 months commits and see how many NXT core changes you can spot (comments with "blocks", "peers", "rollback" and so on).
hero member
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I dont think they are incompetent. I think that unexpected issues came so they have decided to change a few things.
I read a book once The Lean startup. Its pretty good book IMO and it shows you how every succesful company had to restructure their system, product, service,.... many times to get perfect results. They failed and lost lots of time to get it right but at the end it was worth it! Its definetly not incompetence its just when something is launched then you see much more that when you are planning.

Awesome book - I also advise reading "Running Lean".

Crypti actually quite tries to follow the lean methodology, and if you treat the released versions as a MVP in progress, things will start to become more clear Smiley. Actually, a lot of other alts (Nxt included) follow same path.
hero member
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Okay thanks for clearing all that up SyRenity. We appreciate it, though in the future, please try to maintain better communication with the community in periods such as this.

Noted, and while we still prefer Grexx as our community lead to give day-to-day updates, me and Boris will be more active in case of such sensitive situations.
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Also Crypti team gathered 650BTC or more so I suppose they can hire another specialist to help them solve the problem with network...
If this situation will continue people will start to sell what they have on exchanges.

750 BTC, and we are putting these funds to a good use, setting up a dedicated out-staffed R&D team, which will be lead by Boris.
That said arranging it takes time and abroad travel, which was currently delayed exactly because of the PoT issue being worked on.
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