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I would consider any coins or fiat sent to CoinoMat as potential loses.  My scam detector is running yellow.
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That is pretty ridiculous that they would open a "paid voting" scheme and then just shoo-in coins at random (or outside of the scheme of the votes placed).




Back to the Coinomat vote...

Now Crypti is currently way ahead of Bitshares but the "winning" Crypti votes came on June 1.  

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php

The BitShares people are saying that they should become a part of the Coinomat family because they were "in the lead at the end of the month".  However, Coinomat says (apparently) that the finish line to declare a winner wasn't "the end of the month" but instead at some unknown time in the future that has not really been defined yet.  

Anyway, Coinomat has since guaranteed that BitShares USD will be integrated no matter based on the current voting activity, but if they want other flavors of BitShares integrated, to keep voting.  

I think we should say if BitShares USD gets integrated immediately into Coinomat based on 4200 votes before a deadline or winner is declared officially, then Crypti should be integrated immediately too based on our current 5400 votes.  If you agree, please say so here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11505618

UPDATE:

Five days vote is not enough, not so many coin communities know about the initiative. If Crypti is in top 3 till the 22th we promise to integrate it.


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Back to the Coinomat vote...

Now Crypti is currently way ahead of Bitshares but the "winning" Crypti votes came on June 1.  

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php

The BitShares people are saying that they should become a part of the Coinomat family because they were "in the lead at the end of the month".  However, Coinomat says (apparently) that the finish line to declare a winner wasn't "the end of the month" but instead at some unknown time in the future that has not really been defined yet.  

Anyway, Coinomat has since guaranteed that BitShares USD will be integrated no matter based on the current voting activity, but if they want other flavors of BitShares integrated, to keep voting.  

I think we should say if BitShares USD gets integrated immediately into Coinomat based on 4200 votes before a deadline or winner is declared officially, then Crypti should be integrated immediately too based on our current 5400 votes.  If you agree, please say so here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11505618

UPDATE:

Five days vote is not enough, not so many coin communities know about the initiative. If Crypti is in top 3 till the 22th we promise to integrate it.



They give each member 3 votes.  BUT, you can only vote for a coin once in the monthly voting.  SO your three votes have to be for 3 different coins, voting once in a month.  You need to buy votes if you want to vote for a coin twice in a month or more.

This shows that they are not interested in community, only $$$. 
legendary
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Back to the Coinomat vote...

Now Crypti is currently way ahead of Bitshares but the "winning" Crypti votes came on June 1.  

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php

The BitShares people are saying that they should become a part of the Coinomat family because they were "in the lead at the end of the month".  However, Coinomat says (apparently) that the finish line to declare a winner wasn't "the end of the month" but instead at some unknown time in the future that has not really been defined yet.  

Anyway, Coinomat has since guaranteed that BitShares USD will be integrated no matter based on the current voting activity, but if they want other flavors of BitShares integrated, to keep voting.  

I think we should say if BitShares USD gets integrated immediately into Coinomat based on 4200 votes before a deadline or winner is declared officially, then Crypti should be integrated immediately too based on our current 5400 votes.  If you agree, please say so here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11505618

UPDATE:

Five days vote is not enough, not so many coin communities know about the initiative. If Crypti is in top 3 till the 22th we promise to integrate it.

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Boris, Crypti Lead Developer, Lisk Advisor
Are we having network problems?   As I write this the monitor says only 58 delegates are online...

http://cryptichain.me/networkMonitor

Delegate node not connected with another delegate node, i will look, but i think it's just like our p2p statistics working.
legendary
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Are we having network problems?   As I write this the monitor says only 58 delegates are online...

http://cryptichain.me/networkMonitor
legendary
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Well, someone is buying votes for XCR on Coinomat.  That you Mal?
Wow.  No, that's not me.  I got the ball rolling by personally donating around 0.9 BTC to get us to 2137 votes .  Somebody else has kicked in another 1.5 BTC / 3000 votes so we're in the lead at 5142 vs. 4205 for Bitshares.

Go Crypti!

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php
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Well, someone is buying votes for XCR on Coinomat.  That you Mal?
legendary
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My post on the Bitshares Forum:

I doubt a tie is possible.

A tie only requires cooperation.  I did what I said I would do at 5PM GMT.   There was a tie established at 2137 votes each.  BitShares has since bought an additional 303 votes to stand at its current 2440.

I'm out.  Best wishes to the BitShares community.  You'll be hearing more about Crypti in the future.  See you there.
legendary
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Sigh, this is the prisoner dilemma in action.   The votes keep creeping up due to confirmation delay.

Please, nobody else vote.  I will balance the votes back to a tie for Crypti at 5PM GMT.  After that, let's let this thing go to a tie.    

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php
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I signed up there and voted.  Looks like they only have 6 coins now?

voted too.

Sigh.  It's off to the races.  I had hoped we could get a tie and both of us be listed.

Yes, they only have six coins for now.  But if we get this, it will be a way to go directly from Crypti to a cashout in USD via your credit card.

OKay, so the Bitshares guys are paying for votes.  But look at the votes for XCR.  We are number 2 by 1200 votes.  That alone should make them take a look at XCR.  After all, they are in it to earn $ from fees. 

We could all PM them to ask for XCR to be adopted as well.  Otherwise is is a month to the end of the next vote.
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I signed up there and voted.  Looks like they only have 6 coins now?

voted too.

Sigh.  It's off to the races.  I had hoped we could get a tie and both of us be listed.

Yes, they only have six coins for now.  But if we get this, it will be a way to go directly from Crypti to a cashout in USD via your credit card.
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Sigh.  I see somebody from BitShares added 1 vote, and somebody from Crypti (not me!) then added 200 votes.

Please, guys, let's not get into a bidding war.  If you vote, do so to even the vote count so both are equal.  Let's go for the tie and a win-win here.


The discussion threads for both Crypti and BitShares:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11496445
https://forum.crypti.me/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125&p=381#p381
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16582.msg212910.html#msg212910

I signed up there and voted.  Looks like they only have 6 coins now?

voted too.
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Sigh.  I see somebody from BitShares added 1 vote, and somebody from Crypti (not me!) then added 200 votes.

Please, guys, let's not get into a bidding war.  If you vote, do so to even the vote count so both are equal.  Let's go for the tie and a win-win here.


The discussion threads for both Crypti and BitShares:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11496445
https://forum.crypti.me/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125&p=381#p381
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16582.msg212910.html#msg212910

I signed up there and voted.  Looks like they only have 6 coins now?
legendary
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Sigh.  I see somebody from BitShares added 1 vote, and somebody from Crypti (not me!) then added 200 votes.

Please, guys, let's not get into a bidding war.  If you vote, do so to even the vote count so both are equal.  Let's go for the tie and a win-win here.


The discussion threads for both Crypti and BitShares:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11496445
https://forum.crypti.me/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=125&p=381#p381
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php/topic,16582.msg212910.html#msg212910
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Boris, Crypti Lead Developer, Lisk Advisor
Sigh.  I see somebody from BitShares added 1 vote, and somebody from Crypti (not me!) then added 200 votes.

Please, guys, let's not get into a bidding war.  If you vote, do so to even the vote count so both are equal.  Let's go for the tie and a win-win here.


We love bitshares Smiley
legendary
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Sigh.  I see somebody from BitShares added 1 vote, and somebody from Crypti (not me!) then added 200 votes.

Please, guys, let's not get into a bidding war.  If you vote, do so to even the vote count so both are equal.  Let's go for the tie and a win-win here.
legendary
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I have asked Coinomat when their cutoff is for monthly coin selection and I intend to flood their poll with paid votes just before the deadline to get Crypti to the top.  We need fiat exchange now and I'm gonna try to make that happen.  

True to my word, I just sent 0.668 BTC to Coinomat to put Crypti at the top of their voting list of which coin to integrate into their fiat conversion system next at the end of the month.

https://coinomat.com/coinvoting.php

So as I write this we are in a dead heat with BitShares on the last day of May.  Both of us now have 1365 votes. 

We are either going to get into a bidding war for the top spot during the rest of the day, or we are not.  I don't want to get into a bidding war, and I am hoping BitShares does not want that either.  If nobody on either side puts in more votes, maybe Coinomat will integrate both of us.  That is what I am hoping for now. 

However, if some smart ass from BitShares puts in one or more new votes to pull ahead, we gotta be ready to respond.  And I am asking everybody reading this to please be ready to commit 0.1 BTC of your personal funds to this effort, just for today.  Please keep track of the  the link above today, and if the total votes between Crypti and BitShares are not equal, please send just enough BTC at 0.0005 BTC per vote to make them equal again

Coinomat is growing in strength just as Crypti is.  We will gain as they gain.  And in making this effort to join them, we are showing the world that we may be small but we intend to become a force in the future.
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Closing Notes

I'm writing this on a new post for better visibility.

The changes that I've proposed wouldn't take a minute to implement. I've already create a dump file of my .CSS edits and pushed it to GitHub : https://github.com/Wulfcastle/UI/blob/master/unpacked.css
I've not made any "major" design changes (barring the header, my reasoning explained in the above post), just subtle changes here and there intended to get a more consistent look and feel throughout the whole UI.

You guys could literally copy/paste this over your current app.css and double-check the changes in less than a minute. Why not use the changes that I've proposed, changes that the community seem to agree with me, instead of wasting time developing a theming system for the Crypti Client, which let's face it, no one would use to it's full potential. NXT have already tried integrating theming into their client, and virtually no one in their community uses it, I've seen 2 themes pop up from a community 1000x greater than our currently, and neither of those themes are used by anyone.

Rather make the changes now, to the UI as a whole than waste valuable time, developing themeing support for the Client UI (which could take > 50 hours), time which you guys could use to build Apps for the DApps Store or time which you guys could use to fix bugs/stabilize the client better/improve usability etc.

It would be far more productive to make the changes to the UI now as a whole, based on community feedback, and mould the UI into something that everyone in the community agrees with, rather than create a system where each community member has to individually tailor their UI to their preferences, because that is just never going to happen.
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I am replying without a quote so we aren't copying the images 100 times.

Keep in mind, these are my personal thoughts because I want to discuss it and you guys know I am always open to ideas and changes if they make sense.

I do like the more subdued colors seeing them side by side, as I always thought the original green seemed bright. So that one I think might be worth a look.

The drop shadow on the sidebar avatar image box, I think could be changed to be more level / flat (like you have it), but I have seen many design it with the heavy box there and don't think it's bad in the current form either.

As for the large fonts and types, I definitely would side with the current version and not the changes you made. I like the original look much better in the comparison screenshots.

I also actually like the blue header, lol, so I'm not feeling you on that one. Maybe it would look better in the little bit lighter blue you used?

As far as the colored headers with the icons, seeing them side by side, I am kind of 50/50 on them. If you add the colored headers you kind of have to remove the blue header up top. I'm not sold that either one is better or worse than the other.

Either way, thank you for taking the time to care and post some feedback. I can't promise that any of the changes will be made but I can promise it will be an item for the meeting. Also, as Max said, we now discussed the option of allowing community submitted themes that people can choose, so that is a win.

Anytime GreXX. Let me try and provide the reasoning behind some of my changes to the UI, maybe if you hear the reasons behind the changes I might get you to sway your opinion on some of the changes that you are undecided on. You and a few others already have taken a liking to the color palette I proposed, so I won't need to provide an in-depth explanation for that. I will provide an in-depth explanation for the font at a later stage.



This seems to be the most controversial change, so I'm going to try and tackle this one first. Okay. One of the side effects of a distinctly colored navbar and a distinctly colored header is that the design feels "congested" and "claustrophobic". One of the "rules" (I put this in brackets because these are not actually rules, but commonly accepted practises) when creating a UI is that you give as much white space to allow your design to "breathe". And take take that I'm speaking strictly in metaphorical terms here, this is the best comparison I can make. This post here by a fellow designer explains the practice of adding more whitspace to allow your design to "breathe". Take a look at Rule 3 : https://medium.com/@erikdkennedy/7-rules-for-creating-gorgeous-ui-part-1-559d4e805cda


Examples of "Breathable Design






The addition of the colored header leaves less room for expansion in the elements below it, and also kills creativity by subduing the colors that can be used below it as well. But the best evidence to support the removal of the colored header comes from Material Design itself. Specifically websites and apps made by Google which are the best examples anywhere on the web of how Material Design should be executed. I've not only removed the header for personaly preference and to allow the design to "breathe", but also to adhere to Material Design guidelines better.

Examples of Headers & Their Effects - I'll Add More Soon















Google Mockup :



Facebook Material Redesign :






In the examples below, you will see in most cases that if there is a colored header being used in the design, then the navbar/sidebar is always either the background color of the page or white, and if the navbar/sidebar of the page has a distinct color then the header, will usually be transparent.

You can have one, but you can't have both. So I choose to keep the navbar's distinct color and opted then to remove the header's color. In some of the examples below you'll see that if there is a colored header, then the navbar will either be white or transparent, as I said you can one, but you can't have both.





If you take a look at the changes I made to the navbar, you'll see that not only did I remove the box-shadow, but I also adding padding to the logo, profile section, as well to the top of the menu section. In the current design the logo, is almost touching the top of the screen and there is very little "breathing" space between the different elements/sections in the navbar.

Comparison of Padding between UI's



As with the removal of the header, which I detailed above, I've also removed the box shadow, not only to make the UI look better/flatter, but also to adhere to the Material Design guidelines better. Again to prove my point I will use examples of Material Design implemented in websites and apps. If you look at all the examples I posted below, you'll notice that in every navbar, there is what is called a "cover image", which is used in the design of most Android apps, which exhibit Material Design. The "cover image" is kind of like a profile image (with a background) for your account while using the app. This "cover image" is the closest comparison that I can make with the "profile" section in the Crypti Wallet UI.

So if you take a look at the "cover image" you will see that there are no box-shadows on it at all. None whatsoever. I'm fine with the background color being darker than the rest of the navbar, but there can't be any drop-shadows at all.

Navbar Comparisons

These are all screenshots from Google developed apps.


 


One of the major problems that designers get wrong with Material Design is the use of drop-shadows, when to use them and when not to use them. This is a case when no drop shadows should be used at all. The reason for this is that the designers who create these problems don't understand the fundamentals of Material Design. Material Design at its core is a set of guidelines that are intended to make design mimic the real, physical elements in our world.

Read : http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html

Taken directly from the link above :
"A material metaphor is the unifying theory of a rationalized space and a system of motion. The material is grounded in tactile reality, inspired by the study of paper and ink, yet technologically advanced and open to imagination and magic."

See : http://www.google.com/design/spec/what-is-material/material-properties.html#material-properties-physical-properties



The last major problem I had with the current UI, was the table design that was used. Tables feature a lot in the current UI, which is why I feel that is critical to nail their design as it features so heavily in the UI itself.

I mentioned that the tables seemed like generic Bootstrap 3 tables, but upon seeing that comparison image that you showed me, I guess I'd have to retract that statement.  So I did some research and the best evidence I can find to support my argument is the tables used in Polymer

Polymer (https://www.polymer-project.org), for those of you who don't know is a JavaScript library, built and maintained by Google, based ENTIRELY off Material Design. Polymer was created to bring Material Design principles to the web. All the recent UI updates to Google's existing products and all of Google's newer products are built using Polymer to power their UI's. Examples of Google Products already using Polymer :

  • Google - Inbox
  • Google - Keep
  • Google - Calendar
  • Google - Support
  • Google - Product Forums

Now below is a screenshot of a sample table using Polymer, which is basically a showcase as to how a Material Designed table should look.

Things to take note of :

  • There are no striped rows in the table
  • There are no borders between tows or columns within the table
  • There is only a tiny border (I'd say around 2px) around the table and between the header of the table and the rows beneath it.
  • The background color of the header and the rest of the table is the same.

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