these ppl are keeping asking same questions again and again.
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Topic: [XC][XCurrency] Decentralised Trustless Privacy Platform / Encrypted XChat / Pos - page 786. (Read 1484192 times)
July 20, 2014, 03:51:33 PM
July 20, 2014, 03:45:41 PM
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.
This compounds anonymity.
XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.
Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers
- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.
The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.
Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.
When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.
And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.
Thanks synechist.
However, I still don't think you understand what we're saying. Nowhere has Dan said or documented that multinode multipath is in the released beta. I think we all agree that decentralized trustless mixing is released and functional on mainnet. I also think that we're all on the same page with regard to the updated xnode requirements.
Hmm... well, we promised multipath for Rev 2, and that's what we delivered, and then some.
I mean, it goes without saying that it's implemented.
On 7/7/14 it went live on testnet, and since then we've been refining it.
July 20, 2014, 03:43:33 PM
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.
This compounds anonymity.
XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.
Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers
- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.
The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.
Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.
When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.
And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.
Will EM be built into Final Rev 2 Arlyn?
EM is a Rev 2.5 release, so don't expect it to be implemented in the final Rev 2.
However it's possible it'll be in the final Rev 2 release as a testnet-only or generally "alpha" feature.
But this would be a bonus, if it happens. For now we just want to get trustless multinode multipath done and dusted. Once that's done we'll move onto getting secure private messaging looking awesome.
July 20, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.
This compounds anonymity.
XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.
Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers
- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.
The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.
Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.
When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.
And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.
Thanks synechist.
However, I still don't think you understand what we're saying. Nowhere has Dan said or documented that multinode multipath is in the released beta. I think we all agree that decentralized trustless mixing is released and functional on mainnet. I also think that we're all on the same page with regard to the updated xnode requirements.
July 20, 2014, 03:38:09 PM
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.
This compounds anonymity.
XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.
Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers
- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.
The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.
Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.
When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.
And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.
Will EM be built into Final Rev 2 Arlyn?
July 20, 2014, 03:37:35 PM
Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.
I'm fully up to speed on the tech developments. I think that what's been happening is that people keep on recycling misinformation instead of reading my replies to them.
I've been saying since 7/7/14 that Rev 2 functionality is here.
Multipath is implemented and working, and what's more, we put in trustless mixing too.
I've been saying since 7/7/14 that you don't have to worry about 550XC for now and that every node is now an Xnode.
July 20, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.
Thank You.
+1 looking forward to tonights update as I am eager to get the latest news
+1. Glad a few folks are on the same page wrt knowing what's in the documentation of current release.
July 20, 2014, 03:32:15 PM
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
*edit: my autocorrect changed multinode to multimode. Multinode multipath means sending fragments to several nodes and not just one.
This compounds anonymity.
XC is not like DRK. DRK is semi-centralised, meaning that a small number of masternodes exist relative to the number of normal DRK wallets.
Every single XC app is an XC node. It's completely decentralised. This is an improvement on the masternode (generic term: supernode) for two reasons:
- you don't create supernodes, which are big attractive targets for hackers
- you don't doubly incentivise hackers by requiring a large amount of coins be kept at a supernode.
The 550XC requirement was for the "dynamic trust" concept for XC nodes. Since nodes are now trustless, we're still working out what the minimum balance will be. For now, you don't need 550XC.
Lastly, Rev 2 is multinode multipath trustless mixing. We released that on 7/7/14. The "final Rev 2" isn't any new features, its just the same features improved refined, and well-tested.
When we release the final Rev 2 it just means we've started building Rev 3. It doesn't mean we've put any new paradigms into it.
And yes, expect a new privacy feature for Rev 3.
July 20, 2014, 03:23:19 PM
Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.
Thank You.
+1 looking forward to tonights update as I am eager to get the latest news
July 20, 2014, 03:17:45 PM
Here where we are with Rev 2.45 regarding anonimity and Xnodes:
From the Private Transaction Readme:
Decentralized Trustless Mixer testing
- Test Release
- Stable for mainnet
- Enable via "Enable Private Transactions" Checkbox (available under coin-control)
- Use a test wallet, You need at least 50 XC's in the testwallet to use this feature [ no more than 100 XC's, don't use your primary wallet]
- if transaction does not go through, no coins are sent and no risk of mixer stealing coins
- transactions are processed over 5 minute windows
- Requires UNPNP or Port Forwarding of TCP:32348 to host running wallet to use this feature until XNodes support DTM codem, then XNodes will receive payments for supporting these transations
- XCurrency.conf requires seed nodes and nothing else [unless you have a special configuration]
addnode=east01.xcnode.xc-official.com
addnode=west01.xcnode.xc-official.com
addnode=west02.xcnode.xc-official.com
- Transactions process within 5 minutes
- Transactions can fail, however it is a zero-risk system, coins can not be stolen, coins either go to destination you specified or stay in the local wallet
- Next UI update will have transaction progress indicator
- use 10 XC"s for sending with release only
Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.
Thank You.
From the Private Transaction Readme:
Decentralized Trustless Mixer testing
- Test Release
- Stable for mainnet
- Enable via "Enable Private Transactions" Checkbox (available under coin-control)
- Use a test wallet, You need at least 50 XC's in the testwallet to use this feature [ no more than 100 XC's, don't use your primary wallet]
- if transaction does not go through, no coins are sent and no risk of mixer stealing coins
- transactions are processed over 5 minute windows
- Requires UNPNP or Port Forwarding of TCP:32348 to host running wallet to use this feature until XNodes support DTM codem, then XNodes will receive payments for supporting these transations
- XCurrency.conf requires seed nodes and nothing else [unless you have a special configuration]
addnode=east01.xcnode.xc-official.com
addnode=west01.xcnode.xc-official.com
addnode=west02.xcnode.xc-official.com
- Transactions process within 5 minutes
- Transactions can fail, however it is a zero-risk system, coins can not be stolen, coins either go to destination you specified or stay in the local wallet
- Next UI update will have transaction progress indicator
- use 10 XC"s for sending with release only
Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.
Thank You.
July 20, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
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July 20, 2014, 02:43:28 PM
I'd like to know when we are getting our fully working Xnode anon system that we were promised, instead we got a mixer?
Hi Leigh
We're on Rev 2.45 already. Rev 2 tech has been working since 7/7/14.
To explain:
- Rev 2 is multipath
- Additionally it is multimode multipath, not just fragments sent to a single node for forwarding
- Trustless mixing is an improvement upon the "dynamic trust system" that was originally proposed. There's now no need to trust any nodes.
- Trustless mixing wasn't going to be a Rev 2 feature, but we included it anyway (under-promise, over-deliver, you know?)
- So you got multipath PLUS a trustless mixer.
- And, of course, trustless mixing is a world first.
So there's no question about waiting for working Xnodes. They've been here for a while.
In fact I've replied to you about three times about this already if I'm not mistaken. Sorry if you missed them.
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
Leigh2k14,
I agree with you. I get the impression that synechist and Dan are not on the same page. I have been under the impression that the final version of multipath had not been released yet and that Rev2 was in a beta stage. Now we're moving on to 2.45 (close to the 2.5 roadmap??) without any solid technical explanation and new terminology such as "multimode multipath" being thrown around as some new feature to drool over. I'm not satisfied with the communication and do not feel that PR and developers are in sync.
This is a challenge of not releasing the source code. I understand there are concerns with other devs ripping off our shit and I agree it should be closed for now. However, if it's going to be closed, at least throw us some extra details along with the fancy new terminology.
Xnode works and is live on mainnet. yes, still BETA, but so is Bitcoin.
Xnode runs automatically instead of having to configure separately.
so currently, multipath trustless mixing via Xnodes is implemented.
Thanks evtrmm.
Beta was a poor choice of words. How about alpha.
I know decentralized trustless mixing has been released in beta and is what we are currently running. I also know that the xnode feature is automatic. Dan has reiterated this on multiple occasions. However, I have not seen any response from Dan indicating that multipath is in the latest beta release.
July 20, 2014, 02:39:23 PM
I'd like to know when we are getting our fully working Xnode anon system that we were promised, instead we got a mixer?
Hi Leigh
We're on Rev 2.45 already. Rev 2 tech has been working since 7/7/14.
To explain:
- Rev 2 is multipath
- Additionally it is multimode multipath, not just fragments sent to a single node for forwarding
- Trustless mixing is an improvement upon the "dynamic trust system" that was originally proposed. There's now no need to trust any nodes.
- Trustless mixing wasn't going to be a Rev 2 feature, but we included it anyway (under-promise, over-deliver, you know?)
- So you got multipath PLUS a trustless mixer.
- And, of course, trustless mixing is a world first.
So there's no question about waiting for working Xnodes. They've been here for a while.
In fact I've replied to you about three times about this already if I'm not mistaken. Sorry if you missed them.
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
Leigh2k14,
I agree with you. I get the impression that synechist and Dan are not on the same page. I have been under the impression that the final version of multipath had not been released yet and that Rev2 was in a beta stage. Now we're moving on to 2.45 (close to the 2.5 roadmap??) without any solid technical explanation and new terminology such as "multimode multipath" being thrown around as some new feature to drool over. I'm not satisfied with the communication and do not feel that PR and developers are in sync.
This is a challenge of not releasing the source code. I understand there are concerns with other devs ripping off our shit and I agree it should be closed for now. However, if it's going to be closed, at least throw us some extra details along with the fancy new terminology.
Xnode works and is live on mainnet. yes, still BETA, but so is Bitcoin.
Xnode runs automatically instead of having to configure separately.
so currently, multipath trustless mixing via Xnodes is implemented.
July 20, 2014, 02:38:00 PM
Can Dan post the new RoadMap and maybe an update on what the current status is, so we all know we're on the same page as the lead dev?
July 20, 2014, 02:33:22 PM
I'd like to know when we are getting our fully working Xnode anon system that we were promised, instead we got a mixer?
Hi Leigh
We're on Rev 2.45 already. Rev 2 tech has been working since 7/7/14.
To explain:
- Rev 2 is multipath
- Additionally it is multimode multipath, not just fragments sent to a single node for forwarding
- Trustless mixing is an improvement upon the "dynamic trust system" that was originally proposed. There's now no need to trust any nodes.
- Trustless mixing wasn't going to be a Rev 2 feature, but we included it anyway (under-promise, over-deliver, you know?)
- So you got multipath PLUS a trustless mixer.
- And, of course, trustless mixing is a world first.
So there's no question about waiting for working Xnodes. They've been here for a while.
In fact I've replied to you about three times about this already if I'm not mistaken. Sorry if you missed them.
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
Leigh2k14,
I agree with you. I get the impression that synechist and Dan are not on the same page with regards to what has been released. I have been under the impression that the final version of multipath had not been released yet and that Rev2 was in a beta stage. Now we're moving on to 2.45 (close to the 2.5 roadmap??) without any solid technical explanation and new terminology such as "multimode multipath" being thrown around as some new feature to drool over. I'm not satisfied with the communication and do not feel that PR and developers are in sync.
This is a challenge of not releasing the source code. I understand there are concerns with other devs ripping off our shit and I agree it should be closed for now. However, if it's going to be closed, at least throw us some extra details along with the fancy new terminology.
July 20, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
I'd like to know when we are getting our fully working Xnode anon system that we were promised, instead we got a mixer?
Hi Leigh
We're on Rev 2.45 already. Rev 2 tech has been working since 7/7/14.
To explain:
- Rev 2 is multipath
- Additionally it is multimode multipath, not just fragments sent to a single node for forwarding
- Trustless mixing is an improvement upon the "dynamic trust system" that was originally proposed. There's now no need to trust any nodes.
- Trustless mixing wasn't going to be a Rev 2 feature, but we included it anyway (under-promise, over-deliver, you know?)
- So you got multipath PLUS a trustless mixer.
- And, of course, trustless mixing is a world first.
So there's no question about waiting for working Xnodes. They've been here for a while.
In fact I've replied to you about three times about this already if I'm not mistaken. Sorry if you missed them.
Let me ask a few last questions: we have a multinode anon feature like as DRk? and we have a trustless mixer mixer on top? all fully working?
You have to excuse the confusion as Dan posted the following on the 15th of this month:
The current REV2 test-release will be updated, additional data collected and then the final rev2 will be released
Dan
I'm still confused?
Is it that fully operational multinodes with the 550 XC doesn't come till REV3? As I thought that we were getting the same set up as DRK in REV2 that was due out on the 7/7/14?
July 20, 2014, 01:49:53 PM
Guess who is drunk again! 5 xc for The correct answer
5 xc for The correct answerWell every town needs the town drunk... I think you get the coins drunk title!
July 20, 2014, 01:30:32 PM
I'd like to know when we are getting our fully working Xnode anon system that we were promised, instead we got a mixer?
Hi Leigh
We're on Rev 2.45 already. Rev 2 tech has been working since 7/7/14.
To explain:
- Rev 2 is multipath
- Additionally it is multinode multipath, not just fragments sent to a single node for forwarding
- Trustless mixing is an improvement upon the "dynamic trust system" that was originally proposed. There's now no need to trust any nodes.
- Trustless mixing wasn't going to be a Rev 2 feature, but we included it anyway (under-promise, over-deliver, you know?)
- So you got multipath PLUS a trustless mixer.
- And, of course, trustless mixing is a world first.
So there's no question about waiting for working Xnodes. They've been here for a while.
In fact I've replied to you about three times about this already if I'm not mistaken. Sorry if you missed them.
July 20, 2014, 01:20:27 PM
Guess who is drunk again! 5 xc for The correct answer
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July 20, 2014, 01:13:07 PM
Guess who is drunk again! 5 xc for The correct answer
5 xc for The correct answerHaha this is a tough one! Gonna have to guess SushiChef.
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