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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1186. (Read 4670643 times)

legendary
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I think I know the answer to this, but I want to make sure:

When you send monero with a payment ID, is the payment ID broadcast with the transaction (i.e., observable on the blockchain and traceable?)

Or is the payment ID tucked away (encrypted) somewhere and not observable?

The use case is this:

You want to buy something on a website. The website creates a payment ID for you, and the address to send your payment.

The business receives the payment in their wallet, with the payment ID for the business to connect a particular payment to a particular customer account.

Methinks this is the whole purpose of the viewkey, but I just want to make sure I'm putting things together right.

This might be explained in that one figure in the whitepaper, but as the critique of the whitepaper indicated, that figure is not easy to understand.
legendary
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There is now a monero tipbot in #monero, tippero, kindly hosted by fluffypony.

It is coded from scratch, but works in the same way as typical IRC tipbots. See !help and !commands for more info, how to use it, etc.

If you spot any bug, feel free to ping me.



Is it possible to extend this to reddit/twitter etc.? Would be nice to tip some XMR to newcomers on reddit.

In fact, having looked at it a bit, it doesn't sound as bad as I first thought. It'll require a fair amount of changes to the existing code to abstract things away from IRC and related assumptions (eg, notion of a channel).
donator
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Why would you keep a love letter to your wife in a deposit box?

Wow, huge security flaw. BCX was right after all!!!!!  Shocked

I'm dumping!


In case she's at home and dies in a crazy chemical fire, and the letter is the only thing you have left. Think like you're in a movie!
hero member
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Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Why would you keep a love letter to your wife in a deposit box?

Wow, huge security flaw. BCX was right after all!!!!!  Shocked

I'm dumping!
legendary
Activity: 874
Merit: 1000
monero
regarding the bazaar-project: I bought the domain monerobazaar.com not long ago. if there is need for it, it is of course available for the project for free, either via domain transfer or I can keep/pay for it and just redirect to the project-homepage.

I'm not in range of my xmr-wallets right now, so I can't donate. I hope Atrides finds the time to make it happen  Smiley
legendary
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Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Can anyone add a step-by-step guide to writing plausible love letters?

Just google. You can easily find a few generic ones.
legendary
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Still wild and free
Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Can anyone add a step-by-step guide to writing plausible love letters?

Plausible unimportant love letters. Doesn't seem easy.  Cheesy
pa
hero member
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Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.

Can anyone add a step-by-step guide to writing plausible love letters?
hero member
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Merit: 500

Thank you both!

I do have a follow up question....

Smooth says "you don't even need the daemon binary installed"

Fluffypony says "Copy the Monero binaries to to a RAM disk"

Can you define binaries in this case because it seems like one of you are saying they are needed and one of you says they are not.



Since you will not be syncing with the network you don't need the daemon binary, but you definitely need the simplewallet binary to run simplewallet. Tongue
sr. member
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 Grin Great news about shapeshift!

Also loving the various projects getting initiated. I'll look how I can contribute (other than donating).


legendary
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Merit: 1008
Okay!

I just got a response to my email - monero will "absolutely be on shapeshift by the end of the month"

sr. member
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Can someone create a to a step by step guide to creating a cold storage wallet for Monero?

I think it would be helpful for new investors who are uncomfortable keeping XMR on an exchange.

Perhaps separate guides for Windows and Linux with screenshots would be best

It is pretty much the same on all OS.

Mac/Linux: simplewallet --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

Windows: simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

(When asked for a password, give a really long random one -- don't worry about remembering it.)

Write down the address and seed words. Double check that you got them right.

Delete the wallet files.

You can do this with an offline computer, and you don't need to be running the daemon (in fact you don't even need the daemon binary installed).



Or use fluffypony's extended guide:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2dt1h9/definite_guide_to_securely_storing_monero_on_a/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8246348

Hey everyone,

What security measures do you recommend for your cold storage keys. I was thinking more about measures to prevent hacking/theft of the keys. Should i be paranoid to the point of creating the wallet in an air gap and never look into it until I need it? (Lets not go into the "Ruiu says badBIOS leaps air gaps" territory).

Regarding backup I'm doing the _strongly encrypt your files and stored them in offline and online sources and don't forget the deterministic seed_ routine. If anyone as further thoughts on backup that would be appreciated also.


Remember, rockets are old school. We are going to the moon in a space elevator. Keep calm and get some moar.

Peace!

My suggestion is as follows:

1. Take any machine you have lying around, even your normal workstation. You may find it easier to use an older computer that has no wifi or bluetooth if you're particularly paranoid.
2. Create a Linux or Windows bootable disk, and make sure you have the Monero binaries on the same disk or on a second disk (for Linux make sure you have also downloaded copies of the dependencies you will need, libboost1.55 and miniupnpc for instance).
3. Disconnect the network and/or Internet cables from your machine, physically remove the wifi card or switch the wifi/bluetooth off on a laptop if possible.
4. Boot into your bootable OS, install the dependencies if necessary.
5. Copy the Monero binaries to to a RAM disk (/dev/shm in Linux, Windows bootable ISOs normally have a Z: drive or something)
6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.
11. Switch off the computer, remove the battery if there is one, and leave it physically off for a few hours.

There you go - the wallet you've created was created in RAM, and the digital files are now lost forever. If some magical hacker manages to somehow get the data, they will lack the long password to open it. If you need to receive payments, you have the address, and you have the view key if needed. If you need access to it, you have your 24 word seed, and you can now write out several copies of it so that you have an offsite copy (eg. a bank deposit box). Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.


Thank you both!

I do have a follow up question....

Smooth says "you don't even need the daemon binary installed"

Fluffypony says "Copy the Monero binaries to to a RAM disk"

Can you define binaries in this case because it seems like one of you are saying they are needed and one of you says they are not.

legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
Can someone create a to a step by step guide to creating a cold storage wallet for Monero?

I think it would be helpful for new investors who are uncomfortable keeping XMR on an exchange.

Perhaps separate guides for Windows and Linux with screenshots would be best

It is pretty much the same on all OS.

Mac/Linux: simplewallet --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

Windows: simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

(When asked for a password, give a really long random one -- don't worry about remembering it.)

Write down the address and seed words. Double check that you got them right.

Delete the wallet files.

You can do this with an offline computer, and you don't need to be running the daemon (in fact you don't even need the daemon binary installed).



Or use fluffypony's extended guide:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2dt1h9/definite_guide_to_securely_storing_monero_on_a/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8246348

Hey everyone,

What security measures do you recommend for your cold storage keys. I was thinking more about measures to prevent hacking/theft of the keys. Should i be paranoid to the point of creating the wallet in an air gap and never look into it until I need it? (Lets not go into the "Ruiu says badBIOS leaps air gaps" territory).

Regarding backup I'm doing the _strongly encrypt your files and stored them in offline and online sources and don't forget the deterministic seed_ routine. If anyone as further thoughts on backup that would be appreciated also.


Remember, rockets are old school. We are going to the moon in a space elevator. Keep calm and get some moar.

Peace!

My suggestion is as follows:

1. Take any machine you have lying around, even your normal workstation. You may find it easier to use an older computer that has no wifi or bluetooth if you're particularly paranoid.
2. Create a Linux or Windows bootable disk, and make sure you have the Monero binaries on the same disk or on a second disk (for Linux make sure you have also downloaded copies of the dependencies you will need, libboost1.55 and miniupnpc for instance).
3. Disconnect the network and/or Internet cables from your machine, physically remove the wifi card or switch the wifi/bluetooth off on a laptop if possible.
4. Boot into your bootable OS, install the dependencies if necessary.
5. Copy the Monero binaries to to a RAM disk (/dev/shm in Linux, Windows bootable ISOs normally have a Z: drive or something)
6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet.
7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter.
8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG.
9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed.
10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key.
11. Switch off the computer, remove the battery if there is one, and leave it physically off for a few hours.

There you go - the wallet you've created was created in RAM, and the digital files are now lost forever. If some magical hacker manages to somehow get the data, they will lack the long password to open it. If you need to receive payments, you have the address, and you have the view key if needed. If you need access to it, you have your 24 word seed, and you can now write out several copies of it so that you have an offsite copy (eg. a bank deposit box). Due to the nature of the key you can write it as part of something else - eg. write a fake love letter to your wife so that the 24 words on the left hand side are your key or whatever. Then write a bunch of extra love letters. That way, if your deposit box is ever discovered, it'll be disregarded as unimportant love letters.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Can someone create a to a step by step guide to creating a cold storage wallet for Monero?

I think it would be helpful for new investors who are uncomfortable keeping XMR on an exchange.

Perhaps separate guides for Windows and Linux with screenshots would be best

It is pretty much the same on all OS.

Mac/Linux: simplewallet --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

Windows: simplewallet.exe --generate-new-wallet wallet-name

(When asked for a password, give a really long random one -- don't worry about remembering it.)

Write down the address and seed words. Double check that you got them right.

Delete the wallet files.

You can do this with an offline computer, and you don't need to be running the daemon (in fact you don't even need the daemon binary installed).

sr. member
Activity: 414
Merit: 251
Can someone create a to a step by step guide to creating a cold storage wallet for Monero?

I think it would be helpful for new investors who are uncomfortable keeping XMR on an exchange.

Perhaps separate guides for Windows and Linux with screenshots would be best
hero member
Activity: 833
Merit: 1001
done! thanks for the heads up!

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You guys know what to do.  To the MoneroMobile!

Deploy the swarm!
sr. member
Activity: 248
Merit: 250
Silkroadreloaded accepting multiple cryptocoin, including DRK.

Using shapeshift perhaps?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoadReloaded/comments/2rg7jz/site_is_now_live/

Seems to be pretty hated by the DNM people given reuse of Silkroad name.
hero member
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member
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our pool avg is 96%, there is one guy who leases when the timing is right xmr value up etc, and brings an extra 60khs

its not a botnet as it would be varying in speed, this is FLAT 60k and a reverse on ips etc due diligence showed it's a rent.

i don't think luck is manipulated, but i did see something that influences it , ill test theory in a few days (w/e) and let you know.

we go from 90 to 101% our avg is 96% , i will add stats soon to dashboard , its already there, just needs a publish.



Thanks!
legendary
Activity: 1260
Merit: 1008
alright that was pretty impressive, I was critical of Atrides in private message, but what else does Monero need? I too have a team of developers, now that the community can make some things worthwhile

Welp, if no one else is gonna suggest things, I'll throw something out there.

I think some kind of web payment / storefront interface would be a winner. Once shapeshift.io gets monero going, I think that we could piggy back on existing bitcoin payment processing to enable businesses to accept monero.

monero -> shapeshift -> bitcoin -> bitpay

of course the goal is to create an easy plug 'n play thing for e-commerce sites to implement.

We're looking into that with some friends. It's very preliminary, not much more to say yet.

well thats just awesome!

Piggybacking is cheap but it also means that there are more points of failure.

right, but from what I gather, the monero -> fiat requires uber legal work. So right now there's one point of failure - not being able to buy things with monero. Until this effort is taken up with the proper resources, I think piggybacking would be useful / popular in the interim.

I mean, once shapeshift gets monero integrated, we really don't have to make anything - people wanting to use monero to pay for something at a website that uses bitpay would just go to shapeshift and put in the proper addresses.

the point of making the piggyback application would just be to make it easier to use for everyone involved.

Is it confirmed that shapeshift.io is working on Monero integration?

nevermind, im an idiot. shapeshift itself is working on these things

https://shapeshift.io/tools.html
https://shapeshift.io/for-business.html

I think I remember reading somewhere that XMR might be integrated sometime in january.
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