The coin is worthless if it requires a CS degree to use a CLI wallet to use the damn thing.
Remember the good old days of 2011, when Bitcoin and Namecoin were like that?
Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 665. (Read 4670673 times)
February 21, 2016, 03:35:37 AM
Remember the good old days of 2011, when Bitcoin and Namecoin were like that?
February 21, 2016, 03:10:14 AM
I just started looking into monero b/c it appears to be the best anonymous coin and the value that can provide is what made bitcoin what it is today. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, you don't need to know.
But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.
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But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.
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I'm amazed at how many "IT" guys still haven't mastered the operation of Google. A 5-second search using Google with the search term "monero gui" yields the resulting site: https://github.com/Jojatekok/MoneroGui.Net
I've tried it and it works well.
February 21, 2016, 02:56:03 AM
I just started looking into monero b/c it appears to be the best anonymous coin and the value that can provide is what made bitcoin what it is today. For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, you don't need to know.
But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.
1. There is no desktop GUI client wallet. I find that pretty poor planning. If you have no GUI wallet, then you have no usage. Someone badly needs to step up to the plate and get that built.
2. The fact it doesn't share bitcoin's codebase is both a curse and a sparkling diamond. B/c it doesn't get some free code from the bitcoin project, the client and updates are slower.
Going back to #1.
MONERO GET A GUI CLIENT UP NOW. The coin is worthless if it requires a CS degree to use a CLI wallet to use the damn thing. Consider who your target audience is. Also explain right off the bat what the viewkey is, the spendkey, and the PAYMENT ID (which I understand is mandatory for some merchants in order to verify a transaction even existed). mymonero.com is nice but you understand the entire purpose of this coin is super privacy. You can't have people viewing transactions on a website b/c there's no GUI client. Bam there goes privacy.
That should be priority 1 while you continue to work on the infrastrature. Get some usage, feedback, and more merchant support. Please. Otherwise the entire effort may be in vain.
But there is a legit beef. I'm an IT guy and it is NOT TRIVIAL to do transactions. The wallet is called "simplewallet" it runs via a command line interface (CLI). I tried to use some third party gui "lightwallet" but that is a total joke. It wouldn't even write the config file. After 30 mins screwing with that piece of junk, I gave up.
1. There is no desktop GUI client wallet. I find that pretty poor planning. If you have no GUI wallet, then you have no usage. Someone badly needs to step up to the plate and get that built.
2. The fact it doesn't share bitcoin's codebase is both a curse and a sparkling diamond. B/c it doesn't get some free code from the bitcoin project, the client and updates are slower.
Going back to #1.
MONERO GET A GUI CLIENT UP NOW. The coin is worthless if it requires a CS degree to use a CLI wallet to use the damn thing. Consider who your target audience is. Also explain right off the bat what the viewkey is, the spendkey, and the PAYMENT ID (which I understand is mandatory for some merchants in order to verify a transaction even existed). mymonero.com is nice but you understand the entire purpose of this coin is super privacy. You can't have people viewing transactions on a website b/c there's no GUI client. Bam there goes privacy.
That should be priority 1 while you continue to work on the infrastrature. Get some usage, feedback, and more merchant support. Please. Otherwise the entire effort may be in vain.
February 20, 2016, 10:53:25 PM
Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin 
No, the coin is not lost. But it is much more difficult to prove that you are the sender. If poloniex were to use a distinct destination address for each depositor, these problems would not occur, but there are impediments to doing so, albeit fewer than there once were.
Poloniex should migrate to integrated/serialised addresses in the foreseeable future, they are way more convenient than adding the payment ID as an additional step. Integrated/serealised addresses basically include the payment ID into the address, such that you only have to worry about 1 field.
February 20, 2016, 10:51:12 PM
Is it safe to assume that in the future, any official GUI wallet or something will account/help with this issue, like coin control etc? I mean, if people can move thousands of bitcoins around without any issue like this, why not Monero someday? Thanks again everyone. 
The issue of unmixable dust is going away after the upcoming fork. All coins will be mixable, though there still may be some issues with fee calculation being complicated.
In addition, in the future their will likely be an option to sweep your whole wallet balance at once. Fluffypony opened an "issue" for this at Github, see:
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/issues/668
"Add ability to sweep a wallet's balance".
Also, regarding sweep_dust. It does exactly that if I recall correctly. It "bundles" all your dust outputs and sends them back to your own wallet.
February 20, 2016, 10:47:42 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
Any idea what happened?
Do you still have your transaction hash? If so, use this tool -> http://xmrtests.llcoins.net/checktx.html
Fill in your address, the viewkey that belongs to the address (Moneroaddress provides this), and the transaction hash of that 1 XMR transaction. It should show you something like: "These outputs are yours". The sum of those outputs should be equal to the amount that was sent.
February 20, 2016, 10:23:03 PM
If mymonero goes down there is no way I can access my wallet, right? I tried to use the simple wallet but is not very user-friendly. Are there more options? cheers
in the worst possible scenario, mymonero is down or unreachable for a very long time and you must absolutely access your wallet. indeed there is no easy way for non-tech user. but no easy way don't mean no way at all. the code to use a mymonero seed into a modified simplewallet was writing by wartangent here https://github.com/warptangent/bitmonero/tree/wallet_seed_updates_and_support_mymonero and i tested it successfully with 0.9.1.0 (proof and explanation here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13698569)so don't be worried and keep using mymonero, your funds will be always accessible in one easy way (mymonero) or another one more complicated (modified simplewallet).
Agree with Arux, but another alternative is to create a wallet using simplewallet and then log into that wallet using MyMonero. As long as you log into MyMonero before using the wallet for the first time, you don't need to pay the import fee.
By doing this you end up with a wallet that is fully accessible using both methods.
February 20, 2016, 06:22:13 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
Any idea what happened?
your first login in this wallet was before or after the 1 xmr transaction?
February 20, 2016, 06:11:29 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
Any idea what happened?
February 20, 2016, 06:03:23 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
Any idea what happened?
February 20, 2016, 05:54:38 PM
If mymonero goes down there is no way I can access my wallet, right? I tried to use the simple wallet but is not very user-friendly. Are there more options? cheers
in the worst possible scenario, mymonero is down or unreachable for a very long time and you must absolutely access your wallet. indeed there is no easy way for non-tech user. but no easy way don't mean no way at all. the code to use a mymonero seed into a modified simplewallet was writing by wartangent here https://github.com/warptangent/bitmonero/tree/wallet_seed_updates_and_support_mymonero and i tested it successfully with 0.9.1.0 (proof and explanation here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13698569)so don't be worried and keep using mymonero, your funds will be always accessible in one easy way (mymonero) or another one more complicated (modified simplewallet).
February 20, 2016, 05:38:36 PM
Is it safe to assume that in the future, any official GUI wallet or something will account/help with this issue, like coin control etc? I mean, if people can move thousands of bitcoins around without any issue like this, why not Monero someday? Thanks again everyone.
The issue of unmixable dust is going away after the upcoming fork. All coins will be mixable, though there still may be some issues with fee calculation being complicated.
February 20, 2016, 05:30:02 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
Any idea what happened?
February 20, 2016, 05:06:11 PM
EDIT: too slow. You dEBRUYNE and fluffypony are amazing, thanks for the effortless support.
Given how rarely I comment here that is a compliment of the highest order...thank you, although dEBRUYNE definitely deserves the majority of your gratitude:)
February 20, 2016, 04:56:24 PM
Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin
No, the coin is not lost. But it is much more difficult to prove that you are the sender. If poloniex were to use a distinct destination address for each depositor, these problems would not occur, but there are impediments to doing so, albeit fewer than there once were.
February 20, 2016, 04:44:43 PM
Whithout payment ID it possible to lost coin
February 20, 2016, 04:05:39 PM
4 days ago I saved money to poloniex, 10 times in 9913.5 XMR. [...]
was informed that the coin is lost, the other did not receive. But my wallet XMR is 0.
was informed that the coin is lost, the other did not receive. But my wallet XMR is 0.
Did you use the Payment ID as well for the transfer to Poloniex? Since there is a warning in the deposit section:
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You MUST send your deposit using the unique Payment ID below. Failure to do so may result in the loss of your deposit.
If not I assume Poloniex still received your transfer, but the balance is not automatically linked to your account.
EDIT: too slow. You dEBRUYNE and fluffypony are amazing, thanks for the effortless support.
February 20, 2016, 04:04:26 PM
It seems like you forgot to include a payment ID in your transactions. See for example the first transaction -> http://moneroblocks.info/search/b14318595393a6971ddd9de9e441d5a2853130b02f77beec5128ede399c2eb60
Also, I am not entirely sure but I think poloniex is running the latest version.
Also, I am not entirely sure but I think poloniex is running the latest version.
Agreed - none of those transactions have payment IDs.
February 20, 2016, 04:01:17 PM
4 days ago I saved money to poloniex, 10 times in 9913.5 XMR. results with poloniex multiple e-mail
was informed that the coin is lost, the other did not receive. But my wallet XMR is 0.
At that time I used the v0.8.8.6 version of the wallet. After poloniex customer service told me to
replace the latest version of the wallet and re update all blocks using the most original private key.
I replace the poloniex customer service request for the v0-9-1-0 to re update all blocks and use the
most original private key. It's a pity that the coin in the purse still hasn't found it.
My local wallet address is:
45yUtgirL3XZgWMsZB21rWPjpsYbv8VPRAeKPs4fyNjE7ZYUAG1sYqxhhNAAE1rSECJdkQ8ibuYYsSF 75cBJ84ke7qiFsSb
Poloniex wallet address is: address:
47sghzufGhJJDQEbScMCwVBimTuq6L5JiRixD8VeGbpjCTA12noXmi4ZyBZLc99e66NtnKff34fHsGR oyZk3ES1s1V4QVcB
Deposit
ID: f6d774b39050b44974e268c2912e5a75456ce0fa01622f84a0b740500e072e91 Payment
Here are the block records and wallet logs I traded. Please help me, thank you very much!
Balance: 9913.500000000000
Deposit:100 2016-Feb-17 20:54:54.487911
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b14318595393a6971ddd9de9e441d5a2853130b02f77beec5128ede399c2eb60
Balance: 9813.460000000000
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 2016-Feb-17 20:55:36.707325
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/1d682e58006a288683c7efa29b840d2eb60098e75fe34d9654d556b95cbb3e0c
Balance: 8813.360000000000
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 20:57:01.267162
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/03786ece67df7c1a05b84f90444466211fbcefb5f99048f2c4048be6a9f5d363
Balance: 7813.243333333334
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 20:58:50.637418
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/a2fb98555c359ebde2cf5a9c6ab22602a2ac30e57f64b1c0a2f0233090f0fa86
Balance: 6813.163333333334
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 21:02:41.635630
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/dbe51a797852d15f3a200e92928ad1e04cca18e6d34ddffaa2b04f35f2ba7cf9
Balance: 5813.113838383840
Deposit:2000 2016-Feb-17 21:02:59.853672
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/63a629fe318f7c3a1b9bb5bed970586e4a0be6db8e01571717d4103ec8da1465
Balance: 3813.063838383840
Deposit:2000 2016-Feb-17 21:04:28.012714
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b200010c08b01243a42749a5100b32039dde84c3b6f889566e3075c423d6a45b
Balance: 1813.013838383840
Deposit:778 2016-Feb-17 21:07:34
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b04484d4892212abef79251c1bbc07ac7a9f79d368226063917bb9c593d943fd
Balance: 1034.953535353532
Deposit:1034 2016-Feb-17 21:15:45.880486
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/aa557fc49a9b4da2b10cae8f891de6ffa7eec9d9b568f1a7b75236ed7a88bb32
Balance: 0.930000000000
Deposit:0.93 2016-Feb-17 21:27:30.170769 Read command
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/033ecf9b39bf2aee98ee20ac298a835134e0f7095dea5c3729fe8542ada179aa
Balance: 0.000000000000
100+1000+1000+1000+1000+2000+2000+778+1034+0.93=9912.93
Total deposit:9912.93
was informed that the coin is lost, the other did not receive. But my wallet XMR is 0.
At that time I used the v0.8.8.6 version of the wallet. After poloniex customer service told me to
replace the latest version of the wallet and re update all blocks using the most original private key.
I replace the poloniex customer service request for the v0-9-1-0 to re update all blocks and use the
most original private key. It's a pity that the coin in the purse still hasn't found it.
My local wallet address is:
45yUtgirL3XZgWMsZB21rWPjpsYbv8VPRAeKPs4fyNjE7ZYUAG1sYqxhhNAAE1rSECJdkQ8ibuYYsSF 75cBJ84ke7qiFsSb
Poloniex wallet address is: address:
47sghzufGhJJDQEbScMCwVBimTuq6L5JiRixD8VeGbpjCTA12noXmi4ZyBZLc99e66NtnKff34fHsGR oyZk3ES1s1V4QVcB
Deposit
ID: f6d774b39050b44974e268c2912e5a75456ce0fa01622f84a0b740500e072e91 Payment
Here are the block records and wallet logs I traded. Please help me, thank you very much!
Balance: 9913.500000000000
Deposit:100 2016-Feb-17 20:54:54.487911
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b14318595393a6971ddd9de9e441d5a2853130b02f77beec5128ede399c2eb60
Balance: 9813.460000000000
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 2016-Feb-17 20:55:36.707325
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/1d682e58006a288683c7efa29b840d2eb60098e75fe34d9654d556b95cbb3e0c
Balance: 8813.360000000000
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 20:57:01.267162
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/03786ece67df7c1a05b84f90444466211fbcefb5f99048f2c4048be6a9f5d363
Balance: 7813.243333333334
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 20:58:50.637418
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/a2fb98555c359ebde2cf5a9c6ab22602a2ac30e57f64b1c0a2f0233090f0fa86
Balance: 6813.163333333334
Deposit:1000 2016-Feb-17 21:02:41.635630
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/dbe51a797852d15f3a200e92928ad1e04cca18e6d34ddffaa2b04f35f2ba7cf9
Balance: 5813.113838383840
Deposit:2000 2016-Feb-17 21:02:59.853672
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/63a629fe318f7c3a1b9bb5bed970586e4a0be6db8e01571717d4103ec8da1465
Balance: 3813.063838383840
Deposit:2000 2016-Feb-17 21:04:28.012714
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b200010c08b01243a42749a5100b32039dde84c3b6f889566e3075c423d6a45b
Balance: 1813.013838383840
Deposit:778 2016-Feb-17 21:07:34
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/b04484d4892212abef79251c1bbc07ac7a9f79d368226063917bb9c593d943fd
Balance: 1034.953535353532
Deposit:1034 2016-Feb-17 21:15:45.880486
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/aa557fc49a9b4da2b10cae8f891de6ffa7eec9d9b568f1a7b75236ed7a88bb32
Balance: 0.930000000000
Deposit:0.93 2016-Feb-17 21:27:30.170769 Read command
http://chainradar.com/xmr/transaction/033ecf9b39bf2aee98ee20ac298a835134e0f7095dea5c3729fe8542ada179aa
Balance: 0.000000000000
100+1000+1000+1000+1000+2000+2000+778+1034+0.93=9912.93
Total deposit:9912.93
It seems like you forgot to include a payment ID in your transactions. See for example the first transaction -> http://moneroblocks.info/search/b14318595393a6971ddd9de9e441d5a2853130b02f77beec5128ede399c2eb60
Also, I am not entirely sure but I think poloniex is running the latest version.
EDIT: I checked the rest of your transactions, you forgot to include payment ID in each one of them. This is the problem. Contact Poloniex as soon as possible! Just ask them which additional information they need from you to verify the transactions are yours. Perhaps you need to provide them with additional information such that you can prove that the transactions are yours.
February 20, 2016, 03:57:30 PM
how do you send XMR from your offline wallet? https://moneroaddress.org. is the seed compatible?
[1] Paper wallets are usually used to simply store coins. They aren't convenient to send transactions. You can recover/restore your wallet with the mnemonic seed provided by Moneroaddress.
[2] The seed is compatible with both simplewallet and MyMonero. Thus, you can use both to restore/recover your wallet.
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