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legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


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El breaker de ice, I rarely agree with you. Here I appreciate your sentiment, but there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?

I don't know much about RISC-V but I see no reason A RISC system with the added extensions being emulated is not viable from a quick glance. Are the later extensions actually in usage for this case?
legendary
Activity: 3836
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
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As a general rule, payment IDs are not necessary for transactions to go through, and if I'm not mistaken they will be deprecated in the next major version. Exchanges used to require them when receiving coins, so they know which user to credit with those coins. If you are sending the coins to a wallet you operate, you probably don't need a payment ID (unless you expect to receive the exact same amount from other sources too).
That being said, if the exchange's interface has a 'payment ID' field and they made it mandatory, there's nothing you can do about that.
If the exchange has indeed sent the coins, they could probably give you more information on the transaction, like in which block it was included. I would wait a bit and then contact their support.

Thank you very very much Chicken_76 for clearing that out. Unfortunately the payment ID was mandatory. So I am safe? With inputting anything there?

I am crazy concerned because this is the 2nd exchange that has some issues sending out to an external wallet, my first exchange is still transfering the coins for some unknown reason for several days now and support just got back to me with a response they are looking at it. The transaction failed and no coins was refunded. And now this. Sad I always thought and had an impression transfers were automated.

You cannot trust any 3rd party to be automated or even trustworthy.
Never forget. not your keys, not your coins.
With that said I have never had an issue with Binance and the withdrawals are always quick and .0001XMR (who could ask for more than less than that!).

What exchanges are you using? I think even Bisq hasn't ironed out its bugs yet so there are alot of scammers there from what I've read. Someone that uses it can comment better on that I'm sure, I've just gotten that from random threads I've read.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
MoneroKon 2019 - Tari: Advancing Monero Through Ecosystem Development - by Riccardo 'fluffypony' Spagni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmeSSnppixY
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?

The point of Random-V is to ensure we may buy competitively commodified RISC-V computers ASAP, in order to solve Monero's (seemingly existential and perhaps otherwise intractable) digital tyranny and ASIC inevitability problems.

From u/hyc:

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RandomX instructions map pretty much 1-to-1 with instructions on real CPUs, so there won't be any significant advantage in execution performance. The point remains, you have to build an actual CPU - this is what limits the overall efficiency potential of any ASIC design.


Making a RISC-V computer the perfect XMR miner aligns incentives to create such computers ASAP.

I get the chicken-egg bootstrapping paradox, and my intented purpose for Random-V is cutting that Gordian Knot using Surveillance Capitalism's irrational exuberence and unlimited fiat supply.

AFAIK your questions regarding gearing Random-V on native RISC-V towards significant advantage over other architectures can only be answered by the invisible hand of the market and cannot be deduced using only pure logic.

But I'm no expert on ISAs or RandomX, and so love to hear everypony else's opinions on how best to test this hypothesis in the marketplace... Cool

Can Random-V save teh universe or will it turn out like Kovri?  Huh

We need your hot takes to keep this baby wild & free!
legendary
Activity: 3136
Merit: 1116
Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


...

El breaker de ice, I rarely agree with you. Here I appreciate your sentiment, but there's literally nowhere you can buy a risc-v computer. This guy apparently needs an oscilloscope to build one:
https://abopen.com/news/building-a-risc-v-pc/

I am not a fan of randomx, for a variety of reasons, but I do think it would be cool to support open-source hardware. Is it really possible to optimize for random-v hardware though? I'm under the impression that there won't be much difference between x86 and ARM for randomx, would risc-v really be possible to gear towards and gain significant advantage over other CPU architectures?
legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Last Chance To Breathe: Why Monero Absolutely Must Implement Random-V


Digital tyranny is at our gates.  Intel, AMD, ARM, and Nvidia have Ring-0 vulnerabilities that software cannot ameliorate and free societies cannot tolerate.
The only practical strategy to forestall the emerging global digital tyranny is socioeconomic sovereign empowerment via private, permissionless communication and value-transfer networks running on end-to-end secure hardware.
In the beautific vision presented below, the two awful trends of digital tyranny and ASIC inevitability are set against each other, producing powerful harmonics sufficient to disrupt, defang, or domesticate both.


Given, in general to the world at large:

1. Indulging in the security theater of running FOSS on Ring-0 compromised/backdoored hardware is pointless, futile, and hypocritical.
2. There is a narrowing window of opportunity for FOSH to remain competitive with proprietary, state-actor backed, incumbent and dominant semiconductor firms.
3. There is only one FOSH project with the critical socioeconomic and technological mass needed to potentially represent a viable challenge to the evil oligoploy of Big Silicon.
4. That one potentially viable large scale (and thus perhaps world-saving) FOSH project is called RISC-V (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC-V).


Given, specifically to the narrow world of Monero:

5. Monero's infamous 'champagne problem' of ASIC Inevitability is logically entailed by sufficient economic success (and/or sufficiently motivated adversaries).
6. Choosing specific parameters for Random-X intrinsically favors one microarchitecture over others.
7. Attempts to equalize performance for [(Intel CPU vs AMD APU vs ARM SOC) vs (nVIDIA GPU vs AMD GPU)] requires continuous readjustment as new generations of tech evolve.
8. The very inconvenient governance structures required to actively manage equalization of these moving/divergent targets expose undesirable social and technological attack surfaces.


Thus, be it therefore resolved that:

Lack of performant and secure FOSH is an existential threat to Monero and all FOSS, and,
Monero as a project and culture must accept the inevitablity of ASICs while transmuting FUD into features, by means of tweaking Random-X to target the RISC-V open-source instruction set architecture, and,
Monero as a united community has the unique power, unique opportunity, and unique responsibility to align historially malincentivized ISA development with its absolute necessities for fast/secure FOSH and decentralized PoW secruity.



Conclusion
Rather than fuss endlessly with actively rebalancing Random-X performance in various proprietary micoarchitectures, Monero's PoW focus must shift to forcing all of them to emulate and optimize RISC-V instruction sets.
This arrangement passively creates competition to radically and rapidly improve the one singular open-source ISA which may be used to rebase critical infrastructure (servers, routers, PCs, SOCs, modems, etc) on FOSH.
As the hardware world is remade and rebased on RISC-V, all the things (smartphone, doorbell, smart-fridge, rescue drone, kill drone, anti-drone drone, Tesla, NAS, laptop, gaming rig, mainframe, etc) may mine XMR with priority accorded by user preference under local conditions.
This glittering futuristic world of all-the-things mining Random-V willy-nilly represents the closest possible approach to a perfectly free PoW market, which maximally preserves decentralization, antifragility, and permissionlessness.




Appendix
Random-V variants: tweaking word-width within a safe 'Can't Be Evil' libre paradigm
RISC-V currently supports 32, 64, and 128-bit register sets. There are proposals to implement variable-width instructions up to 864-bits.
This flexibility allows Random-V developers to retain the ability to create best-fit variants based on the facts on the ground (IE we can still nerf/brick particular RV ASIC monopolies) and/or the facts we wish to encourage becoming true.
To be determined is whether or not to use the same variant on every block forever, or to pre-program future forks to wider word widths, or even to vary word-width between blocks either randomly or deterministicaly.
EG, if 1/3 of blocks are RV-32, 1/3 are RV-64, and 1/3 are RV-128 that may encourage better coin distribution among embedded 32-bit native miners, phone/laptop based 64-bit native miners, and PC/mainframe based 128-bit native miners.


legendary
Activity: 2268
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The second audit (by Kudelski Security) of RandomX has successfully been completed!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c8scn0/randomx_audit_status/
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
GUI v0.14.1.0 'Boron Butterfly' (with Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T support) released!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c8eg6k/gui_v01410_boron_butterfly_with_ledger_nano_x_and/
Is this a mandatory update or not?

No. There are a lot of new features and improvements though. Thus, I'd argue it is worthwhile to upgrade.
member
Activity: 232
Merit: 11
GUI v0.14.1.0 'Boron Butterfly' (with Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T support) released!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c8eg6k/gui_v01410_boron_butterfly_with_ledger_nano_x_and/
Is this a mandatory update or not?
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 7
Thank you very very much Chicken_76 for clearing that out. Unfortunately the payment ID was mandatory. So I am safe? With inputting anything there?

I am crazy concerned because this is the 2nd exchange that has some issues sending out to an external wallet, my first exchange is still transfering the coins for some unknown reason for several days now and support just got back to me with a response they are looking at it. The transaction failed and no coins was refunded. And now this. Sad I always thought and had an impression transfers were automated.

Adding a payment ID should not break transaction creation. I think they still work on the network if the wallet is started with a parameter to allow them, but they're very much on their way out.
As long as you entered your wallet's address correctly, you should be good. It's all in the hands of the exchange now.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
GUI v0.14.1.0 'Boron Butterfly' (with Ledger Nano X and Trezor Model T support) released!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c8eg6k/gui_v01410_boron_butterfly_with_ledger_nano_x_and/
newbie
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Quote
As a general rule, payment IDs are not necessary for transactions to go through, and if I'm not mistaken they will be deprecated in the next major version. Exchanges used to require them when receiving coins, so they know which user to credit with those coins. If you are sending the coins to a wallet you operate, you probably don't need a payment ID (unless you expect to receive the exact same amount from other sources too).
That being said, if the exchange's interface has a 'payment ID' field and they made it mandatory, there's nothing you can do about that.
If the exchange has indeed sent the coins, they could probably give you more information on the transaction, like in which block it was included. I would wait a bit and then contact their support.

Thank you very very much Chicken_76 for clearing that out. Unfortunately the payment ID was mandatory. So I am safe? With inputting anything there?

I am crazy concerned because this is the 2nd exchange that has some issues sending out to an external wallet, my first exchange is still transfering the coins for some unknown reason for several days now and support just got back to me with a response they are looking at it. The transaction failed and no coins was refunded. And now this. Sad I always thought and had an impression transfers were automated.
jr. member
Activity: 56
Merit: 7
Hello all!

Got a pretty noob and URGENT question with the payment id. I have sent a monero(exchange wallet) to my other monero wallet. And the exchange wallet requires a payment ID so i simply generated a random one from the mymonero.com web GUI. Now my Monero coins have yet to arrive for over an hour now.

Question is, is it ok to generate a random Monero payment ID when sending to another wallet? As I have read and understood this is a an ID simply to track the transfer of the coins. And the coins will still transfer with our without the ID or whatever string you input on the payment ID to the proper address.

Also how do you track Monero blocks? Because all I have from my exchange is the payment ID and no transaction blocks? And to be honest I am very worried about losing my coins!

Thanks for the enlightenment.


As a general rule, payment IDs are not necessary for transactions to go through, and if I'm not mistaken they will be deprecated in the next major version. Exchanges used to require them when receiving coins, so they know which user to credit with those coins. If you are sending the coins to a wallet you operate, you probably don't need a payment ID (unless you expect to receive the exact same amount from other sources too).
That being said, if the exchange's interface has a 'payment ID' field and they made it mandatory, there's nothing you can do about that.
If the exchange has indeed sent the coins, they could probably give you more information on the transaction, like in which block it was included. I would wait a bit and then contact their support.
legendary
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newbie
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Hello all!

Got a pretty noob and URGENT question with the payment id. I have sent a monero(exchange wallet) to my other monero wallet. And the exchange wallet requires a payment ID so i simply generated a random one from the mymonero.com web GUI. Now my Monero coins have yet to arrive for over an hour now.

Question is, is it ok to generate a random Monero payment ID when sending to another wallet? As I have read and understood this is a an ID simply to track the transfer of the coins. And the coins will still transfer with our without the ID or whatever string you input on the payment ID to the proper address.

Also how do you track Monero blocks? Because all I have from my exchange is the payment ID and no transaction blocks? And to be honest I am very worried about losing my coins!

Thanks for the enlightenment.
full member
Activity: 345
Merit: 124
Same problem, but this time the error happened at 9% sync.  Huh
Seems to be a SSL problem...

Could you perhaps open a new issue on the Monero Github repository?

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/new

I will have to create an account first. But u will do so when i have the time to.

Thanks.

Just to give a little update:

I did what you asked for and created an issue in github. I gave them all the information i was asked for and it seems that this is a problem that only happens to Armv7 devices.
But thats all i can say, as i did not really understand what happened Cheesy.
My coding skills are far below that level... Cheesy

But hopefully this is solved soon. I will wait a little bit now before i re-try...
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
Hi,

need help please.
I have sent XMR from GUI to a wrong address. payment is still pending since hours.
it is showing unknown recipient
Block height pending.
What can I do?

Thanks!

Did you send to an integrated address? Because those are displayed differently on the history page.

Thanks!

note sure how it happens, the address is completely different.... been googling fr while and managed to fix it jsut 3 min ago by following the instruction under this link via the cli wallet

monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6649/transaction-stuck-as-pending-in-the-gui

Can you try these steps:

1. Go to this tool -> https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html

2. Put the original address in box 8. Public Address: 

3. Click Check Address

4. Check box 15. Standard XMR:

5. Does it match the address displayed in the GUI?
copper member
Activity: 196
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full member
Activity: 500
Merit: 105
Hi,

need help please.
I have sent XMR from GUI to a wrong address. payment is still pending since hours.
it is showing unknown recipient
Block height pending.
What can I do?

Thanks!

Did you send to an integrated address? Because those are displayed differently on the history page.

Thanks!

note sure how it happens, the address is completely different.... been googling fr while and managed to fix it jsut 3 min ago by following the instruction under this link via the cli wallet

monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6649/transaction-stuck-as-pending-in-the-gui
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1141
Hi,

need help please.
I have sent XMR from GUI to a wrong address. payment is still pending since hours.
it is showing unknown recipient
Block height pending.
What can I do?

Thanks!

Did you send to an integrated address? Because those are displayed differently on the history page.
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