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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1142. (Read 3314330 times)

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September 01, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
iam prediction monero can up go the moon
is every one coin monero can up price 500k satoshi in end year
hero member
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September 01, 2016, 05:57:39 PM
Short term price speculation? I'm mixed about getting in... was sure it was gonna drop more but now not so much


25% is pretty impressive, and if I was buying something at the DNM I'd feel safer using xmr. The people who use DNMs have no problem acquiring xmr

What about the problem of some people about the "view key" feature. They said that a court order could make you show your transactions in the clear thru view key. Is this true? Why is that feature even there? It might become Monero's weakness.

Well, assuming that's true in some jurisdiction then if, hypothetically, Monero had been designed without a view key - so that the only way you could view your transactions was with your private key - then in that scenario a court could almost certainly just order you to release the private key instead.  Better to give the court just the ability to view, rather than the ability to view and spend.

It's much the same as (one of) the more general arguments for not using the same keys for encrypting and signing messages.  In many jurisdictions courts can demand keys to decrypt your messages, but there's rarely if ever a valid reason for them to demand to be able to forge your signature on messages.  So again, it's useful to be able to give them just the key they need, rather than the only way of complying with the order being to give them far more than they need.

roy
legendary
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No maps for these territories
September 01, 2016, 04:33:56 PM
XMR/BTC & XMR/USD is available for trading on Livecoin:

https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/151

Great news. Do we know if you have to proof your identity to deposit/withdraw?
donator
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September 01, 2016, 04:06:10 PM
i wonder how many of those 5% people are into xmr. HH perhaps knows the answer to that Smiley

One is from the beginning, the other 2 there is no reliable info.

EDIT: and don't you f-n think that I am any one of them..  Undecided
legendary
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dafar consulting
September 01, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
I wanna come to the Monero Summit and Conference!  Shocked   Smiley

Let's have it then.

My place is (in winter configuration - summer is much bigger) a small conference center with 28 beds. I live here, and to have a summit we only need to agree on the dates and there is a cost of lodging of course. After nearly a dozen conferences (including 6 in this place) attended by several people who have "at one time held 5% of the existing Bitcoins", I believe I can handle the practicalities with grace.

The price for a few days, all included, would be about 100 XMR. Organiser lead time about 3 weeks.


Sounds good, hopefully 100 XMR won't be worth a fortune by then... actually, I hope it will  Smiley

Let me know dates and I'll be there


i wonder how many of those 5% people are into xmr. HH perhaps knows the answer to that Smiley


Well, you have me and rpietila in this thread alone.. Wink
sr. member
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September 01, 2016, 03:50:03 PM
I wanna come to the Monero Summit and Conference!  Shocked   Smiley

Let's have it then.

My place is (in winter configuration - summer is much bigger) a small conference center with 28 beds. I live here, and to have a summit we only need to agree on the dates and there is a cost of lodging of course. After nearly a dozen conferences (including 6 in this place) attended by several people who have "at one time held 5% of the existing Bitcoins", I believe I can handle the practicalities with grace.

The price for a few days, all included, would be about 100 XMR. Organiser lead time about 3 weeks.


i wonder how many of those 5% people are into xmr. HH perhaps knows the answer to that Smiley
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
September 01, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
I wanna come to the Monero Summit and Conference!  Shocked   Smiley

Let's have it then.

My place is (in winter configuration - summer is much bigger) a small conference center with 28 beds. I live here, and to have a summit we only need to agree on the dates and there is a cost of lodging of course. After nearly a dozen conferences (including 6 in this place) attended by several people who have "at one time held 5% of the existing Bitcoins", I believe I can handle the practicalities with grace.

The price for a few days, all included, would be about 100 XMR. Organiser lead time about 3 weeks.
legendary
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September 01, 2016, 03:07:47 PM
I did a little research, because mostly this price surge is argumented with DNM's getting in the currency, which i still do not believe.

On Alphabay in median 1,9% 2737 are accepting XMR in drugs and chemicals from total 136877.
On Oasis in median 6,9% 264 are accepting XMR in drugs and chemicals from total 3813.

The last 0,018 hype on polo had over 100kBTC volume, with now residing somewhere at 0,014 with ~24kBTC volume.

So if 3001 vendors are responsible for over 100kBTC volume, every vendor in median had to have ~33BTC for playing wiht XMR, now somewhat around ~8BTC each if every vendor is actively trading --> possible but not likely.

Why, simply because these 100BTC to 800BTC buy walls would to have been built, in median, buy more than one vendor at the same time --> possible but not likely.

Even if, let's say 10% of the active vendors are actively trading with the new XMR (multiply the figures buy 10) which i still do not believe, this would be more unlikely to happen at the same time on the same place. The lending figures intensify my claim and theory of a single entity playing around and making the market to the contrary argument of "natural" growth  Roll Eyes

Think about it  Shocked

You are still not getting it (several others have replied as well): we most all agree this is speculation due to the DNM news. Obviously it has not (yet) seen any "real", "natural" use from that (or at least hadn't when the price started its crazy climb).


Now, considering that, this claim:

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The lending figures intensify my claim and theory of a single entity playing around and making the market to the contrary argument of "natural" growth

is still absurd.

legendary
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dafar consulting
September 01, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
Congrats TrueCryptonaire!  Wink


and he is therefore invited to Our presence in Our castle, in any time mutually agreed, forthcoming in this autumn,

or

to the Monero Summit and Conference, planned to be organised before the years' end.

Seal.


I wanna come to the Monero Summit and Conference!  Shocked   Smiley
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
September 01, 2016, 03:03:50 PM
--snip--

HM rpietila II Dei Gratia Rex Regnum Crypto, Dux Antiqua Ducatus et alii ad inf.

Let it be known that because of his persistent market commentary during the time when We have been absent,

TrueCryptonaire

has become a top-rated commenter in this thread, and also that the quality of the said comments has increased markedly,

WE, (etc)

have bestowed our favor on him,

and he is therefore invited to Our presence in Our castle, in any time mutually agreed, forthcoming in this autumn,

or

to the Monero Summit and Conference, planned to be organised before the years' end.

Seal.
Hahaha, oh god... As if TC's ego isn't already big enough.
donator
Activity: 1722
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September 01, 2016, 02:29:11 PM

HM rpietila II Dei Gratia Rex Regnum Crypto, Dux Antiqua Ducatus et alii ad inf.

Let it be known that because of his persistent market commentary during the time when We have been absent,

TrueCryptonaire

has become a top-rated commenter in this thread, and also that the quality of the said comments has increased markedly,

WE, (etc)

have bestowed our favor on him,

and he is therefore invited to Our presence in Our castle, at any time mutually agreed, forthcoming in this autumn,

or

to the Monero Summit and Conference, planned to be organised before the years' end.

Seal.
full member
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September 01, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
I did a little research, because mostly this price surge is argumented with DNM's getting in the currency, which i still do not believe.

On Alphabay in median 1,9% 2737 are accepting XMR in drugs and chemicals from total 136877.
On Oasis in median 6,9% 264 are accepting XMR in drugs and chemicals from total 3813.

The last 0,018 hype on polo had over 100kBTC volume, with now residing somewhere at 0,014 with ~24kBTC volume.

So if 3001 vendors are responsible for over 100kBTC volume, every vendor in median had to have ~33BTC for playing wiht XMR, now somewhat around ~8BTC each if every vendor is actively trading --> possible but not likely.

Why, simply because these 100BTC to 800BTC buy walls would to have been built, in median, buy more than one vendor at the same time --> possible but not likely.

Even if, let's say 10% of the active vendors are actively trading with the new XMR (multiply the figures buy 10) which i still do not believe, this would be more unlikely to happen at the same time on the same place. The lending figures intensify my claim and theory of a single entity playing around and making the market to the contrary argument of "natural" growth  Roll Eyes

Think about it  Shocked

That is completely disingenuous. Going from 0 to those numbers do absolutely mean something. I appreciate some statistics, but you gotta be less disingenuous in the way you handle the data. 2737 are accepting XMR. That is an increase of 2737! How many of the 136877 are active, or have been active within the last months? At the same time you ascribe ALL the volume to vendors trading. Dude. Come on.. Most if not all people in this thread are either speculators, holders, spectators or somewhere in between and have no connection to those DNM. We know with certainty that many in here are responsible for some of the volume.
That's not to say there's no big traders and attempt at manipulation happening, but come on..
sr. member
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September 01, 2016, 02:16:01 PM
1 week chart for 30 min candles. Looks like we will see a break up or break down. Seems like the tension around Monero is intensifying on weekends.


I've noticed that pattern too as of late.  Would love to see a 25% or more gain over this weekend  Grin
legendary
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September 01, 2016, 02:15:03 PM
1 week chart for 30 min candles. Looks like we will see a break up or break down. Seems like the tension around Monero is intensifying on weekends.

The chart doesn't look clearly bullish nor bearish. The bearish part is that it looks it is making lower highs but also the bottoms are higher which is bullish..

Therefore, in the short run I do not know. In the long run I tend to think it is bullish.
sr. member
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September 01, 2016, 01:46:57 PM
XMR/BTC & XMR/USD is available for trading on Livecoin:

https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/151


Finally! First USD/XMR pairing I've seen on an exchange.  But nice for sure.  Will be checking out.
hero member
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September 01, 2016, 01:36:09 PM

I thought I was doing well out of Monero a few months ago. called the market just about right. Then I made the big mistake of selling too many thinking it would go lower and I could buy back twice as many, only to find it went higher, and higher, and higher.

I did jump back in, but them words are true enough: buy and hodl.

You should have listened to me :p

legendary
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September 01, 2016, 01:31:37 PM
XMR/BTC & XMR/USD is available for trading on Livecoin:

https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/151
sr. member
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September 01, 2016, 12:33:31 PM
I like to run a tor exit node on the same LAN, and connect to a VPN from that IP, without going through tor, then connect to tor through a VPN in an other country, which I paid for with Monero via XMR.to, and has a canary.

It is also easy to find Netgear routers with exploits and bounce off of a couple of those.  It's actually hard to see a downside to that. You can patch the vulnerability for them when you are done, to pay for it, if you like.  The main risk is that one might be a honeypot.


I bounced something off of my router but it went down the back of the bookcase. I guess it is more secure down there  Grin
Cold storage.   Cheesy
legendary
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Free spirit
September 01, 2016, 12:26:45 PM
I like to run a tor exit node on the same LAN, and connect to a VPN from that IP, without going through tor, then connect to tor through a VPN in an other country, which I paid for with Monero via XMR.to, and has a canary.

It is also easy to find Netgear routers with exploits and bounce off of a couple of those.  It's actually hard to see a downside to that. You can patch the vulnerability for them when you are done, to pay for it, if you like.  The main risk is that one might be a honeypot.


I bounced something off of my router but it went down the back of the bookcase. I guess it is more secure down there  Grin
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