[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 121.

Hueristic

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Quote from: phishead on December 09, 2019, 11:10:46 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 09, 2019, 10:41:37 PM

Quote from: phishead on December 09, 2019, 08:37:24 PM

Unless there was a way to have a trustless way to create a platform that tracks digital assets such as monero... like Tari, maybe? Wink

Anyone have any updates as to how that side of the Monero world is doing now and days?

You know I just can't remember why I would ever need Tari, care to remind me?

From how I understand it, the idea is to have an “ethereum-like” chain that is secured by Monero’s POW... so I just basically imagine Ethereum with the “child-lock” turned on in regards to preventing rolling back previous transactions to make them invalid.
Wink

What no Monero Classic fork from a fucked up DAO and chain rollback? Tongue

Yeah I think we can all agree immutability is pretty important, but i still don't see a reason for smart contracts at all. I guess i'm old fashioned, i just want my money to be money.

phishead

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Quote from: Hueristic on December 09, 2019, 10:41:37 PM

Quote from: phishead on December 09, 2019, 08:37:24 PM

Unless there was a way to have a trustless way to create a platform that tracks digital assets such as monero... like Tari, maybe? Wink

Anyone have any updates as to how that side of the Monero world is doing now and days?

You know I just can't remember why I would ever need Tari, care to remind me?

From how I understand it, the idea is to have an “ethereum-like” chain that is secured by Monero’s POW... so I just basically imagine Ethereum with the “child-lock” turned on in regards to preventing rolling back previous transactions to make them invalid.
Wink

Hueristic

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Quote from: phishead on December 09, 2019, 08:37:24 PM

Unless there was a way to have a trustless way to create a platform that tracks digital assets such as monero... like Tari, maybe? Wink

Anyone have any updates as to how that side of the Monero world is doing now and days?

You know I just can't remember why I would ever need Tari, care to remind me?

phishead

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Quote from: Febo on December 09, 2019, 02:28:13 PM

Quote from: tokeweed on December 08, 2019, 02:43:58 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 06, 2019, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

I think Lightning removes the taint. Is there a site that traces all transactions made in it? I'm not really familiar with the new stuff anymore. Lol.

You need to understand that there are many companies with enormous budged, researching was to do block chain analysis. If there is a way they will find that out. In theory, no second layer solution could offer us sufficient unlinkability of transactions.

Unless there was a way to have a trustless way to create a platform that tracks digital assets such as monero... like Tari, maybe? Wink

Anyone have any updates as to how that side of the Monero world is doing now and days?

Febo

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 08, 2019, 02:43:58 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 06, 2019, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

I think Lightning removes the taint. Is there a site that traces all transactions made in it? I'm not really familiar with the new stuff anymore. Lol.

You need to understand that there are many companies with enormous budged, researching was to do block chain analysis. If there is a way they will find that out. In theory, no second layer solution could offer us sufficient unlinkability of transactions.

suzanne5223

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Quote from: tokeweed on December 08, 2019, 02:43:58 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 06, 2019, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

I think Lightning removes the taint. Is there a site that traces all transactions made in it? I'm not really familiar with the new stuff anymore. Lol.

No, i don't think there's a site that traces all the transactions and like i once said all the transaction encrypted and sent through the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly. But if there's a single site which can trace transaction i guess that will be through the lightning server with the use of some passphrase.

tokeweed

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Quote from: Hueristic on December 06, 2019, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

I think Lightning removes the taint. Is there a site that traces all transactions made in it? I'm not really familiar with the new stuff anymore. Lol.

suzanne5223

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Quote from: Hueristic on December 06, 2019, 09:02:47 PM

Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

Is not that the coins are totally tainted and the lightning team make their platform to be somehow restricted to third parties because they respect people privacy and they also need to embrace the legacy implemented by Satoshi.
With that been said, i don't know the actual number of coins that supported the lightning network now but the last time i checked they are 11 (Btc, Ltc, Vertcoin, Viacoin, Ravencoin,Groestlcoin etc).

Hueristic

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Quote from: suzanne5223 on December 06, 2019, 12:19:30 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

I never thought of that, can you tell what coins are being used before you use a channel?

It would suck to find out your coins are tainted from using lightning.

suzanne5223

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Quote from: Hueristic on December 05, 2019, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

There's definitely no forensic analysis about it but people believe the on chain transaction to be an act of tumbling coins because the transactions on Lightning network are encrypted and sent via the network from sender to receiver while the transaction are not broadcast publicly.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: Febo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:38 PM

Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

Is there a forensic analysis of this around?

Febo

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Today many transactions are made on lightning. But some say that a lot Bitcoins onchain transactions are just tumbling coins with hope to make them untraceable. So this numbers cant tell us much, but trend can always tells us something.

jwinterm

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Quote from: phishead on December 05, 2019, 09:54:55 AM

Quote from: Febo on December 04, 2019, 05:17:37 PM

Number of transactions is looking good in last 3 months.

Monero Bitcoin Ratio
Nov 2019   212,716   9,243,776   2.30%
Oct 2019   179,114   9,892,853 1.81%
Sep 2019   159,225   9,798,992   1.62%

You know it would be interesting to see a chart of historical BTC/XMR tx ratio vs. BTC/XMR price...

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-xmr.html#log

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/price-btc-xmr.html#log

Best I can do on mobile.

phishead

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Quote from: Febo on December 04, 2019, 05:17:37 PM

Number of transactions is looking good in last 3 months.

Monero Bitcoin Ratio
Nov 2019   212,716   9,243,776   2.30%
Oct 2019   179,114   9,892,853 1.81%
Sep 2019   159,225   9,798,992   1.62%

You know it would be interesting to see a chart of historical BTC/XMR tx ratio vs. BTC/XMR price...

Febo

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Number of transactions is looking good in last 3 months.

   Monero Bitcoin Ratio
Nov 2019   212,716   9,243,776   2.30%
Oct 2019   179,114   9,892,853 1.81%
Sep 2019   159,225   9,798,992   1.62%

Hueristic

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Quote from: KeyJockey on November 30, 2019, 09:43:59 AM

Quote from: elrippos friend on November 29, 2019, 12:42:18 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 28, 2019, 04:57:52 PM

No, you can never educate the masses. All you can do is provide them the tools to protect themselves and then convince them to use those tools.

The majority are morons who are manipulated by TPTB to believe what is good for the elite is good for them.

Well you can try Cheesy

"Never Wrestle With A Pig -
You'll Just Be The One Who Ends Up Getting Dirty.

And Besides... The Pig Likes It"

ROTF, yeah you got that right!

Quote from: Febo on November 30, 2019, 02:57:22 PM

Definitely not. All you need is to have updated wallet at receiving end to use them after protocol upgrade happened. It went smooth as always. Merry RandomXmass and happy Chameleon everyone.

Nice.

Quote from: elrippos friend on November 29, 2019, 12:42:18 AM

Well you can try Cheesy

Do it long enough and you will learn its a zero sum thankless game that will only age you prematurely.

Febo

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Quote from: KeyJockey on November 30, 2019, 02:31:40 PM

Quote from: Febo on November 30, 2019, 01:10:17 PM

One hour left until the protocol upgrade. There is Monero coffee chat live right now and will last thru upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_xiU_x9bs

Oh shit, really? I just sent a small XMR transaction from one of my wallets to another. Is that gonna be any problem? Wasn't aware if there's a moratorium on TX while upgrade runs? Or...?

Well it's only like twenty bucks worth anyway so no big deal if so. Fingers crossed I guess LOL

Definitely not. All you need is to have updated wallet at receiving end to use them after protocol upgrade happened. It went smooth as always. Merry RandomXmass and happy Chameleon everyone.

KeyJockey

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Quote from: Febo on November 30, 2019, 01:10:17 PM

One hour left until the protocol upgrade. There is Monero coffee chat live right now and will last thru upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_xiU_x9bs

Oh shit, really? I just sent a small XMR transaction from one of my wallets to another. Is that gonna be any problem? Wasn't aware if there's a moratorium on TX while upgrade runs? Or...?

Well it's only like twenty bucks worth anyway so no big deal if so. Fingers crossed I guess LOL

Febo

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One hour left until the protocol upgrade. There is Monero coffee chat live right now and will last thru upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz_xiU_x9bs

KeyJockey

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Quote from: elrippos friend on November 29, 2019, 12:42:18 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on November 28, 2019, 04:57:52 PM

No, you can never educate the masses. All you can do is provide them the tools to protect themselves and then convince them to use those tools.

The majority are morons who are manipulated by TPTB to believe what is good for the elite is good for them.

Well you can try Cheesy

"Never Wrestle With A Pig -
You'll Just Be The One Who Ends Up Getting Dirty.

And Besides... The Pig Likes It"

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