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legendary
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May 03, 2016, 07:49:28 AM
Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

I've always felt you need a critical mass of distribution for this to occur.  A mining bubble that's still going to be widespread after it deflates.  It doesn't really feel like we'll ever see this again as we saw with the first wave of BTC, LTC, and Doge.  All the BTC believers already built huge GPU farms and sold them.  If Monero goes up, it's the equivalent of existing BTC users proof of burning their coins to another chain.  Normal consumers really have no incentive to particpate in CPU mined coins in the first place.

If a Monero mining bubble happened, the second it became extremely profitable, some ass that works at Dell or somewhere would turn his entire building into an after hours mining farm and completely destroy the marginal cost structure.  Same thing with botnets.  But the majority of distribution is already done, so looking for a Monero mining bubble to pop up out of nowhere doesn't seem that likely.  For Monero to go somewhere, there would either need to be a huge cannibalization of BTC userbase, or huge BTC bubble that just indirectly raises Monero.

The fact that neither Monero or Darkcoin seems to be catching on with dark markets makes me feel like BTC is a one-off black swan, never to be replicated in upward momentum again.  But, it's possible Monero can't gain any retail use solely due to lack of wallet, so I guess we'll see after that happens.

You strengthen the case of why XMR likely will never hit it big.

The only solution is to attract new users, and therefore, new fiat inflows into XMR.

This will expand the overall pie.

XMR cannot just pull in existing BTC owners, otherwise XMR will forever be inversely correlated with BTC.
XMR needs to stand on its own two feet, to depeg and decouple itself from all *coins.

Just like how BTC broke past US$1,000 after the Chinese bought BTC en masse, so does XMR need to attract new fund inflows.
Otherwise all we are doing is merely rotating ownership of coins from the same group of players, over and over again.

A lot of great points made in these posts. Existing BTC owners have demonstrated that they are not willing to turn their BTCs into XMR, unless they actually multiply their BTC holdings in the process. It is just dumping (rotating?) into each other for last several months, utilizing this thread as a tool. Why will anyone new play this game of sharks is beyond belief. It is too late for GUI wallets to make any impact anymore.


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I wanted to use F1 racing (2016 season) as an analogy, but I think some fans of certain drivers will be none too pleased about it.

Well, count me in as an audience. Would love to read this analogy Wink
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 07:01:09 AM
Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

(snip)

The fact that neither Monero or Darkcoin seems to be catching on with dark markets makes me feel like BTC is a one-off black swan, never to be replicated in upward momentum again.  But, it's possible Monero can't gain any retail use solely due to lack of wallet, so I guess we'll see after that happens.

There's also the possibility that people are using Monero in dark markets.... with xmr.to, there's no way to tell.
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 06:12:20 AM
If a Monero mining bubble happened, the second it became extremely profitable, some ass that works at Dell or somewhere would turn his entire building into an after hours mining farm and completely destroy the marginal cost structure.

You are completely confused about the scale of things. Even at the current price, mining is the equivalent of 70K high end desktops. A building at Dell, etc. would be a drop in the bucket, even more so in a bubble environment when mining would get much, much bigger.

In fact if you look at power usage figures we're in the mid range of a Top 10 supercomputer now, which is a pretty good indication there is no centralized resource (or at least very few) that would overwhelm the network, especially during a bubble.
newbie
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May 03, 2016, 03:16:46 AM
Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

I've always felt you need a critical mass of distribution for this to occur.  A mining bubble that's still going to be widespread after it deflates.  It doesn't really feel like we'll ever see this again as we saw with the first wave of BTC, LTC, and Doge.  All the BTC believers already built huge GPU farms and sold them.  If Monero goes up, it's the equivalent of existing BTC users proof of burning their coins to another chain.  Normal consumers really have no incentive to particpate in CPU mined coins in the first place.

If a Monero mining bubble happened, the second it became extremely profitable, some ass that works at Dell or somewhere would turn his entire building into an after hours mining farm and completely destroy the marginal cost structure.  Same thing with botnets.  But the majority of distribution is already done, so looking for a Monero mining bubble to pop up out of nowhere doesn't seem that likely.  For Monero to go somewhere, there would either need to be a huge cannibalization of BTC userbase, or huge BTC bubble that just indirectly raises Monero.

The fact that neither Monero or Darkcoin seems to be catching on with dark markets makes me feel like BTC is a one-off black swan, never to be replicated in upward momentum again.  But, it's possible Monero can't gain any retail use solely due to lack of wallet, so I guess we'll see after that happens.

You strengthen the case of why XMR likely will never hit it big.

The only solution is to attract new users, and therefore, new fiat inflows into XMR.

This will expand the overall pie.

XMR cannot just pull in existing BTC owners, otherwise XMR will forever be inversely correlated with BTC.
XMR needs to stand on its own two feet, to depeg and decouple itself from all *coins.

Just like how BTC broke past US$1,000 after the Chinese bought BTC en masse, so does XMR need to attract new fund inflows.
Otherwise all we are doing is merely rotating ownership of coins from the same group of players, over and over again.

I wanted to use F1 racing (2016 season) as an analogy, but I think some fans of certain drivers will be none too pleased about it.
legendary
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legendary
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May 03, 2016, 02:06:47 AM
Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

I've always felt you need a critical mass of distribution for this to occur.  A mining bubble that's still going to be widespread after it deflates.  It doesn't really feel like we'll ever see this again as we saw with the first wave of BTC, LTC, and Doge.  All the BTC believers already built huge GPU farms and sold them.  If Monero goes up, it's the equivalent of existing BTC users proof of burning their coins to another chain.  Normal consumers really have no incentive to particpate in CPU mined coins in the first place.

If a Monero mining bubble happened, the second it became extremely profitable, some ass that works at Dell or somewhere would turn his entire building into an after hours mining farm and completely destroy the marginal cost structure.  Same thing with botnets.  But the majority of distribution is already done, so looking for a Monero mining bubble to pop up out of nowhere doesn't seem that likely.  For Monero to go somewhere, there would either need to be a huge cannibalization of BTC userbase, or huge BTC bubble that just indirectly raises Monero.

The fact that neither Monero or Darkcoin seems to be catching on with dark markets makes me feel like BTC is a one-off black swan, never to be replicated in upward momentum again.  But, it's possible Monero can't gain any retail use solely due to lack of wallet, so I guess we'll see after that happens.
hero member
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May 03, 2016, 01:50:41 AM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

You might have to hold on to it for some months but you will be able to sell with a gain.  Many things in the works.

XMR has now resumed its "unofficial" 1:10 peg to ETH, I think there has to be a rational explanation for this, beyond market forces and invisible hand.

Leicester recently won the EPL championship despite 5000:1 odds, for some reason I suddenly thought about XMR.
What would William Hill offer as bettings odds for XMR reaching a certain price point in 2016?

Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

Will XMR ever have a fairy-tale ending, just like Leicester?
Stay tuned, in 31 Dec 2020.

Soccer?  LOL WUT?

Impact of Leicester victory: a few dozen more Americans know how to pronounce "Leicester."

Monero user not affected!   Cheesy


(Just kidding, point about black swans taken!)

It is not because Leicester impact is so little in America that it is the same in the rest of the world (mostly speaking about Europa here) ... Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 2156
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
May 02, 2016, 11:50:33 PM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

You might have to hold on to it for some months but you will be able to sell with a gain.  Many things in the works.

XMR has now resumed its "unofficial" 1:10 peg to ETH, I think there has to be a rational explanation for this, beyond market forces and invisible hand.

Leicester recently won the EPL championship despite 5000:1 odds, for some reason I suddenly thought about XMR.
What would William Hill offer as bettings odds for XMR reaching a certain price point in 2016?

Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

Will XMR ever have a fairy-tale ending, just like Leicester?
Stay tuned, in 31 Dec 2020.

Soccer?  LOL WUT?

Impact of Leicester victory: a few dozen more Americans know how to pronounce "Leicester."

Monero user not affected!   Cheesy


(Just kidding, point about black swans taken!)
legendary
Activity: 2016
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May 02, 2016, 11:05:14 PM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

You might have to hold on to it for some months but you will be able to sell with a gain.  Many things in the works.

XMR has now resumed its "unofficial" 1:10 peg to ETH, I think there has to be a rational explanation for this, beyond market forces and invisible hand.

Leicester recently won the EPL championship despite 5000:1 odds, for some reason I suddenly thought about XMR.
What would William Hill offer as bettings odds for XMR reaching a certain price point in 2016?

Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

Will XMR ever have a fairy-tale ending, just like Leicester?
Stay tuned, in 31 Dec 2020.  2018.
newbie
Activity: 33
Merit: 0
May 02, 2016, 09:12:02 PM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

You might have to hold on to it for some months but you will be able to sell with a gain.  Many things in the works.

XMR has now resumed its "unofficial" 1:10 peg to ETH, I think there has to be a rational explanation for this, beyond market forces and invisible hand.

Leicester recently won the EPL championship despite 5000:1 odds, for some reason I suddenly thought about XMR.
What would William Hill offer as bettings odds for XMR reaching a certain price point in 2016?

Regardless, many here are basing their hopes on XMR replicating the performance of BTC in its early years.
One cannot just expect the future to be like the past, based on a statistical sample size of just 1.
BTC may very well be a one-off phenomenon, never to be repeated again.

Will XMR ever have a fairy-tale ending, just like Leicester?
Stay tuned, in 31 Dec 2020.
legendary
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hero member
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May 02, 2016, 01:18:29 AM
Crosspost from reddit:

Introducing Monero Wallet for Chrome (beta), a new browser extension that connects with simplewallet to send and receive Monero from the browser!

-"Monero has a new Wallet GUI Smiley See comment inside for details!"

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/monero-wallet-for-google/bddoeeocbnbkdlciahimmaciiiiadocb


That's really cool! A step closer to real user-friendliness, pre-fab bat files are a must for windows.
legendary
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May 01, 2016, 09:56:17 PM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

You might have to hold on to it for some months but you will be able to sell with a gain.  Many things in the works.
legendary
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May 01, 2016, 05:58:49 AM
Crosspost from reddit:

Introducing Monero Wallet for Chrome (beta), a new browser extension that connects with simplewallet to send and receive Monero from the browser!

-"Monero has a new Wallet GUI Smiley See comment inside for details!"

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/monero-wallet-for-google/bddoeeocbnbkdlciahimmaciiiiadocb

Quote from: bigreddmachine
Interact with a local Monero Simplewallet via the Chrome or Chromium browser!
  • Monitor your wallet's balance
  • Send and receive XMR
  • Create integrated payment addresses
  • Check incoming payment information
  • Store contacts' addresses and information
  • Make fast payments to Monero URIs found in open browser tabs (you can test this out on the Monero Development Team's donations page or on the donations button on the extension's Settings page!)

Monero Wallet for Chrome can be installed from the Chrome Store or from it's Github repository. This extension is not a full wallet, but rather is an interface to Monero's official command line wallet. As such, it is important to note that this wallet does not store any sensitive information about your wallet (view key, seed, etc), though you can use this wallet to view these pieces of information.

Note: For the extension to work, you need to have an instance of simplewallet running in "RPC Mode" on the same computer as your browser. On installation, a Getting Started dialog will help you set up simplewallet to talk to the extension. In addition to the dialog, I have developed scripts for OS X and Linux to aid in this setup, and plan to add one for Windows soon™. In short, you should launch simplewallet with the following flags in order to use the extension:
Code:
--rpc-bind-ip 127.0.0.1 --rpc-bind-port 18082
You can use this extension with any simplewallet wallet that already exists, or make a brand new one. You just need to "refresh" a new wallet once to make sure it is synced before connecting it to simplewallet.

Please, please, please give feedback if you have any! I've tried to make this as user friendly as possible, but it is still in beta, and does require a small bit of work up front setting up simplewallet. Until all of the functionality of simplewallet can be incorporated into the browser/extension, this wallet will require simplewallet to be run in parallel to the extension. I hope to announce a contest for voting on a set of wallet icons soon. Let me know what you think of the current logo, and if you have an idea for a new logo feel free to start designing one! More to come regarding this in the coming weeks. Finally, a huge thanks to /u/dEBRUYNE_1, /u/gingeropolous, and /u/dnale0r for their help testing the extension. Also a big thanks to /u/smooth_xmr, /u/moneromooo, and many more of the core team and other contributors for their help, advice, and support as I worked toward getting this together.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4h82r8/introducing_monero_wallet_for_chrome_beta_a_new/
hero member
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April 30, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
I've got many Monero which I bought at almost $1.50 each, so is it time to just sell them off and have some loss or time to even buy more, and increase the number? They are really cheap right now, like $0.95.

No one really knows man.. Been following this thread for a long time. By far most ppl are long term hodlers and dont care about short term price moves. Generally ppl that try to make a quick buck off xmr usually get burned

I bought my first monero at $2.5. I have been buying  here and there, up and down, left and right. The result is had I sold at $1.5 during this high I would have doubled my investment.
newbie
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April 30, 2016, 11:07:23 AM
I've got many Monero which I bought at almost $1.50 each, so is it time to just sell them off and have some loss or time to even buy more, and increase the number? They are really cheap right now, like $0.95.

No one really knows man.. Been following this thread for a long time. By far most ppl are long term hodlers and dont care about short term price moves. Generally ppl that try to make a quick buck off xmr usually get burned
legendary
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April 30, 2016, 10:36:32 AM
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-peter-todd-manfred-karrer-zhou-tonged-and-brian-deery

at 25:00

Maybe someone already posted this, but it s worth of mention twice.

Monero mention as only altcoin being used as a main coin beside Bitcoin for first decentralized exchange Bitsquare.io.

Can be possible in half year to a year timeline.
hero member
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April 30, 2016, 10:01:39 AM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry
Hold it for a year.
If it doesn't rise, then hold it for another year.
In the meantime, it might go down some.

Not the answer you were looking for, I guess...
sr. member
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April 29, 2016, 09:20:23 PM
Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry

SoonTM!
hero member
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April 29, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
 Cry my coin has stuck on middle of somewhere, i can not sold it, because it can make me loss  Cry

when the rate will rise again like before?  Cry
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