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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1925. (Read 3314330 times)

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April 29, 2015, 05:25:27 AM
To all the people leaving, I have to wonder, why were you here to begin with?

I'm here because I am in need a means of sending value over long distances quickly, cheaply, and privately as well as a means of storing value privately. Maybe i will leave monero when some better alternative exists for accomplishing these same ends but until such an alternative exists i will continue to need monero. Just as a person who has nails sticking up needs a hammer.

I asumme you belong to a group of probably less than 200 person on this planet who really see the use case and (private store of value) the potential of monero - aminorex assumed it could be a group of 1000 people - I guess it is much smaller.

the rest is pump and dump daytraders etc. pp.

we will see if the group can grow over the next months and years. the intrinsic value of xmr is out of question.


Still, for anything to be a store of value, price needs to stabilize and XMR, along with all crypto, has yet to really show stability in terms of volatility. Now, you could say PMs are still pretty volatile and yes, they are, but not to the degree of crypto.

that is why I called it potential - the argument that something needs to show stability is somewhat weird - if the fundamentals are given it will show stability in the future.

if you like, like most here, explanations of free market behaviour, crypto does not show stability in terms of prices due to incomplete information.
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April 29, 2015, 05:16:40 AM


On the other hand I don't see a drop in the hash rate (at least the one reported in Minergate where I'm mining) which I expected as the price went down (we had similar paradigms in other altcoins in the past). But, I don't know if this number is accurate so don't take my word for it. Roll Eyes

I wonder why that could be Huh

The fact that its still pretty much all botnets/datacenter owners/sys admins perhaps.
sr. member
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April 29, 2015, 04:03:52 AM
do it otoh, do it...dump everything you raging whale  Grin

so a lot of people have a good entry point  Kiss

It was Warz this time...
legendary
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April 29, 2015, 02:40:49 AM
Why dumping, this doesn´t help our Monero  Huh
I am buying and waiting with a nice cup of tea  Grin

Dumping means lower price.
Lower price means one is able to buy more coins.
If you are a long term holder, you are literally praying for cheap coins which you can cold-store.
When the emission is scarce (yes in dollars it is low even now, only a few thousand dollars per day), it is possible to go sky high and even replace bitcoin in the #1 marketcap coin. Especially in time when Monero emits with lower numbers of coins than btc.

Dumping the coins now is definetely better idea than dumping at 0.0005 levels.  Wink
Those who are bears now will be bulls when their bitcoins are needed the most desperatively by the markets.

Therefore, now is time to pay all your bills and waite until Monero finds the price where it stabilizes.
Last time Monero stabilized around 0.0009-0.0011 levels so I am expecting at least a lot of resistance on those levels.

And yes, Monero made lower highs. This bull run took us only to 0.0043 levels while the bull run in 2014 summer took it over 0.01. Chances are the bottom price is also lower than the bottom price of the previous bear market.

That being said, now is now and last time was last time. We cannot predict exactly how the coin plays out this time.
However, I personally give it relatively high probability to go sub 0.001 levels during this bear market.
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legendary
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April 29, 2015, 02:37:15 AM
legendary
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April 29, 2015, 02:35:10 AM
I don't know if a 40K market sell was orchestrated or not but many other coins in Polo happened to do just the same (ie: Market buy in VRC got my play money order sold in a jiffy). I believe the resistance at these levels won't let us go further down. As I've previously mentioned I think that's a nice price to accumulate more. That's why I bought.

On the other hand I don't see a drop in the hash rate (at least the one reported in Minergate where I'm mining) which I expected as the price went down (we had similar paradigms in other altcoins in the pasts). But, I don't know if this number is accurate so don't take my word for it. Roll Eyes

The hash rate is down a bit (around 800m now), but has dropped much less than the price from the 0.004 range. It went up less than the price too, when it was rising. If the price had stayed up longer, I guess miners would have eventually flocked too it. Of course there are fluctuations in the hash rate.


legendary
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Strange, yet attractive.
April 29, 2015, 02:32:30 AM
I don't know if a 40K market sell was orchestrated or not but many other coins in Polo happened to do just the same (ie: Market buy in VRC got my play money order sold in a jiffy). I believe the resistance at these levels won't let us go further down. As I've previously mentioned I think that's a nice price to accumulate more. That's why I bought.

On the other hand I don't see a drop in the hash rate (at least the one reported in Minergate where I'm mining) which I expected as the price went down (we had similar paradigms in other altcoins in the past). But, I don't know if this number is accurate so don't take my word for it. Roll Eyes
legendary
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April 29, 2015, 02:12:39 AM
Why dumping, this doesn´t help our Monero  Huh
I am buying and waiting with a nice cup of tea  Grin
legendary
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April 29, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
do it otoh, do it...dump everything you raging whale  Grin

so a lot of people have a good entry point  Kiss

he already did, he cant dump what he doesnt have Cheesy

Let me see if I have this right.  Otoh is still hiding his xmr balance in screen shot supposedly showing a trade history after he sold all his xmr. Huh

Yes, congats, you have that right, I choose to not screen shot my XMR balance, I wouldn't obsess about it if I was you, fact being that I sold 36,455 XMR = 82 BTC worth three days ago, I guess that I could buy 40,000 or more back now but I'd rather leave this whole toxicity behind tbh so won't bother most likely.

Maybe I still have a few 100k moneros that need dumping more stealthfully, I don't though thank goodness, but if I did that's only my business.

As I no longer have any interest in this coin and the posters here ( see below  Roll Eyes ) I don't plan to follow this thread any more, so bye Kiss


he may have a few more...so i am encouraging him to dump it all.
sr. member
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April 28, 2015, 11:57:55 PM
do it otoh, do it...dump everything you raging whale  Grin

so a lot of people have a good entry point  Kiss

he already did, he cant dump what he doesnt have Cheesy
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 11:38:41 PM
do it otoh, do it...dump everything you raging whale  Grin

so a lot of people have a good entry point  Kiss
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 09:54:06 PM

 I guess im speculating on future utility if you want to be technical about it but I need something like monero because the chances are very good that i will need something like monero in the future.

If I ever actually manage to become wealthy I will be so fucked. The government will take so much of it. They take a lot now but its not just about how much they take now its about the trend. If the trend holds, people justify it now, but it will be almost incontrovertibly criminal in the future if the trend holds and we have to prepare for the future. Monero offers some amount of protection from this. What else does? People should be clamoring to this project just for self defense reasons.


This says it all.

  Sure, I've got some PMs and various other preparations as well, but the farther we go, the worse it gets.  I've even come around to the thought that that old stand by, Land, is not going to be able to preserve or provide wealth in the not too distant future.  Privacy is required.  I'm open to other ideas, but at this time, I don't see a better proposition than Monero.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 08:16:01 PM
To all the people leaving, I have to wonder, why were you here to begin with?

I'm here because I am in need a means of sending value over long distances quickly, cheaply, and privately as well as a means of storing value privately. Maybe i will leave monero when some better alternative exists for accomplishing these same ends but until such an alternative exists i will continue to need monero. Just as a person who has nails sticking up needs a hammer.

So the question: What I just described is what this project represents, and you sold. So did you used to need that value proposition but dont any longer? Or some other project you have discovered has a similar value proposition? Or does monero no longer represent that value proposition to you? Or did you never need it and just wanted to make a quick buck by gambling?

I can explain that somewhat. These coins have almost no current utility so everyone buying them is doing one of two things: 1. Long term speculation on future utility, 2. Short term speculation on swings. Both tend to be trend-followers, though the latter more so.

When we came up from 0.0009 to about 0.0015 or 0.002, it was quite striking how many new people started posting their interest and support both here and on the main thread. I think I made comment at the time that those were likely to be fair-weather friends, and I don't mean that as an insult, just an observation about time horizon and attention span. Those same folks are likely off getting interested in whatever is hot right now. When we start an uptrend again, they'll back, or others like them.

I guess. Its just sort of strange to me. I guess im speculating on future utility if you want to be technical about it but I need something like monero because the chances are very good that i will need something like monero in the future.

If I ever actually manage to become wealthy I will be so fucked. The government will take so much of it. They take a lot now but its not just about how much they take now its about the trend. If the trend holds, people justify it now, but it will be almost incontrovertibly criminal in the future if the trend holds and we have to prepare for the future. Monero offers some amount of protection from this. What else does? People should be clamoring to this project just for self defense reasons.

I dont mean to say monero specifically, just something that offers the same value proposition. It could be zerocoin or some other cryptonote or something no one has imagined. But right now monero is the frontrunner.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 08:03:10 PM
Not really implying anything by this. The smash down below 0.002 has made me permanently cynical i think. But i just wanted to point out that the chart is now forming a reverse head and shoulders pattern. You decide if that means anything.

On what time frame because the daily is showing a clear break of the neckline on a regular H&S pattern.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 07:47:09 PM
To all the people leaving, I have to wonder, why were you here to begin with?

I'm here because I am in need a means of sending value over long distances quickly, cheaply, and privately as well as a means of storing value privately. Maybe i will leave monero when some better alternative exists for accomplishing these same ends but until such an alternative exists i will continue to need monero. Just as a person who has nails sticking up needs a hammer.

So the question: What I just described is what this project represents, and you sold. So did you used to need that value proposition but dont any longer? Or some other project you have discovered has a similar value proposition? Or does monero no longer represent that value proposition to you? Or did you never need it and just wanted to make a quick buck by gambling?

I can explain that somewhat. These coins have almost no current utility so everyone buying them is doing one of two things: 1. Long term speculation on future utility, 2. Short term speculation on swings. Both tend to be trend-followers, though the latter more so.

When we came up from 0.0009 to about 0.0015 or 0.002, it was quite striking how many new people started posting their interest and support both here and on the main thread. I think I made comment at the time that those were likely to be fair-weather friends, and I don't mean that as an insult, just an observation about time horizon and attention span. Those same folks are likely off getting interested in whatever is hot right now. When we start an uptrend again, they'll back, or others like them.

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
April 28, 2015, 07:42:22 PM
I don't get why people are surprised? It looks like a natural swing and is acting just as I predicted. Still not sure where the floor will be for the next opportunity though.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 07:10:09 PM
Not really implying anything by this. The smash down below 0.002 has made me permanently cynical i think. But i just wanted to point out that the chart is now forming a reverse head and shoulders pattern. You decide if that means anything.
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April 28, 2015, 06:28:57 PM
@mrkavasaki

When price will come to 0.001 , you will buy or you will sell the rest that you will have left from selling all few days ago?


I see old group of Monero FUDers returned to Forum. Even kuriso is here, who was fully sure Monero will be worth 1 cent till last Christmas Smiley

I'm just going to point out the obvious to new-comers and people without a clue. What often happens is the same person or group of people control several accounts. These accounts are can quickly change sentiment towards Monero (just like truecryptionaire, or kavasaki or whomever) and then there are accounts that never changes sentiment for the sake of continuity, but only write a lot on the forum when it is "needed". So when the need for sentiment to go bear, the bear accounts are brought out, and when bull sentiment is needed, the bull accounts are brought out.
That doesn't mean one should see ghosts everywhere though.
legendary
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April 28, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Also wanting to indicate my interest towards OTC trades, for those wanting XMR->Bitcoin
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April 28, 2015, 05:29:53 PM
@mrkavasaki
Even kuriso is here, who was fully sure Monero will be worth 1 cent till last Christmas Smiley

LOL

Is not funny is a reality. He posted that on 18th September 2014, at the time when there are made 20 new threads on this forum daily just so forum members would think that there are so many Monero shills doing it. Then they were fighting for and against in those threads with their alts.  Just noticed, mrkavasaki was there also ofcourse very pessimistic.  Smiley

Oh I believe it, no question. I've had my own run-ins with Kuriso in the trollbox.

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