Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1924. (Read 3313485 times)

elrippo I have nothing against your contributions but when you quote 50 lines and then add one line that doesn't actually say anything, I'm sure you can do better.

I've already explained this to you, so you know all about it. I'm not sure why you seem confused now:

There was no proof of thankful_for_today's intentions. He might have known about the crippled miner, and he might have mined a small number of coins with an advantage from it, or he might not. We don't know.

Also, if you're going to accuse me of "lying daily" (<- actual quote), I'm going to ask you to back that up. Can you?

Which "other people" (<- actual quote) had to tell us about the crippled miner?

lol - "instamine" is a generalization that implies a "fast" emission with fast being whatever the individual believes is fast for whatever their value judgement is on what emission *should be*.  And is a subjective term...the accusation that "instamine" = "scam" is an extension of that and also a subjective opinion, such as when applied to the Dash launch.  I.e. it is an unproved opinion that the Dash *developer* intentionally created the instamine and benefited from it.

However it is not an opinion apparently that Monero launch was rigged by the developers to *intentionally* give a higher % of coins to the developers than the miners:


I have not researched this myself, so other people here will know if this is true or not (I assume it is because of other experience of Smooth lying daily).  But I do know that it is a fact that saying that you can prove that Dash was *intentionally* "instamined", is patently false.  And in criminal law, intention is key.

So far freedom of speach goes down the drain in this forum  
The fact that BlockaFett's quoting is meaningful in your opinion, does not really raise my cocnitive aspiration.
Maybe you should consider not beeing so bullish towards your supporters....
You overshot this one pretty clearly smooth  

Hmm, I would think paraphrasing would use words like "saying things like ..." or maybe "saying (paraphrasing) ..." but hey, what do I know about accurate and ethical writing?

Which "other people" (<- actual quote, btw) pointed out the crippled mining code to us?

There is nothing to approve- it's a free world.
I'm more amazed at the answers to the instamine accusation (summed up in two short statements)

1) We know there was- the community doesnt care.
2) Monero also has a scammy launch .

hilarious

Nope, it's called paraphrasing...quote have references to actual comments, like in my sig.  Which is hard in your case because both you and FluffyPony redact all the text you quote, I guess it makes it easier to break the conversation into little chunks to confuse the reader and just present your own arguments without the hassle of contradiction.

Is that an actual quote from one of our core devs, or another thing you just made up?

You realize when you say "For example, saying that ..." and use quotation marks you are alleging it to be a quote right?

Which "other people" (<- actual quote, btw) pointed out the crippled mining code to us?

the reason I am being explicit about what I am saying is an opinion, is because your 2 core devs have been presenting *opinions* as *facts* to attack Dash and their other competitors.   For example saying that "Dash is a scam because it was instamined and [our opinion] is that he did this deliberately so that proves its a scam"  - it doesn't, but they hammer this 100s of times on various threads to try to hurt Dash in various ways, which has fallen flat on its face a everyone here know.

I think the scariest thing reading these comments, is that evidently your community *approves* of the tactics / ethics / behaviour of your 2 core devs who are destroying your own reputation and price....but hey...you do what you want with your $.

I could be wrong, but a lot of our chatter in the DASH thread involves either pointing out DASH's flaws or defending Monero against false claims.
We do not intend for our discussion over there to extend into the "extensive discussion" category.

No, I don't. I discuss Dash there generally, although often the response to anything I say about Dash is often "blah blah blah Monero blah blah blah" so it comes up. A lot. Or more recently using the insulting moniker Trollero. Very classy. But I certainly don't spam it there or anywhere, or even bring it up at all.

Also, is that a self-moderated thread with a charter? Or is it an open thread for discussion, both favorable and unfavorable?

Actually you're very much wrong in this regard.
Basic argumentation is the art of backing ones argument up with some type of source or logical reasoning.

Stating a baseless opinion without even attempting to strengthen its assertion with some reasoning doesn't make for a very convincing argument.

That's weird...don't you do that all the time in the Dash thread?

djeezes dude, I've been reading the forum for several years now, I almost never post... but I gotta say, you are the worst discussion-partner I ever read, this isn't even trolling, it's worse...

best regards though, and good luck in life with your 'opinions'

Not really, most people can tell you are hostile and arguably trolling (by its true definition, not how it is used on some other coin threads to label every unfavorable opinion).


Now I'm not aware of that being the case, so one of two things are going on here: 1) you know something that I don't know, or 2) you are making shit up. Which is it?


I actually don't even know what your "real point" is. I mostly see a lot of (apparently) made up statements.

"BlockaFett, if I wanted to police/silence you here, your posts would already be deleted."  Except then you would look more scammy than you already do.

"What evidence is there for Poloniex being a "fake exchange"? I don't - it's a subjective opinion.  People don't need to prove opinion's Smooth, this is basic argumentation.

"Who pointed out the crippled mining code to us?" I don't know but this suggests that you don't either?  Why are you asking me?

So I responded to your questions, but main thing I notice is you evaded my point - interesting that you don't deny the real point I am making, on this, a thread speculating on Monero value.

This is actually a good point.
We know for sure that at least 80% of the coin supply is owned by a small handful of individuals.

This is like Ripple. If none of you remember when Ripple first came out a small allocation was released for public circulation. The market cap of Ripple quickly exceeded $1,000,000,000 and then surpassed Bitcoin itself.

I'm pretty sure Risto explained that a while back. If you own all of something, you can make the market cap be whatever you want. No one else can sell to drive the price down, but that doesn't mean they could sell their coins for that amount either.

Market cap is only meaningful to the extent there is liquidity to support it.

drawingthesun, Monero is not a one man show like some other coins. We have a large group of core team members, developers, contributors, and academics (with some overlap between these groups). Everyone adds something to the project. Some people basically just code, some focus on networking and speaking at conferences, some on organization and planning, some on forum presence, some on end user or merchant support, some on testing, some on cryptography and design issues, etc. I'm kind of jack of all trades, although I don't speak at conferences, and I only code a relatively small amount. I pretty much do everything else.

Considering that I'm a 100% volunteer like the rest of the core team, and I devote a shit ton of fully uncompensated time to the project, in addition to supplying both resources and money to the project out of my own pocket, I don't really believe anyone has standing to tell me to do any particular thing or how to spend my time. If you see someone doing that, they have an agenda. Figure out what it is. (Same goes for anyone else on the core team of course, just speaking for myself here to keep it simple.)

Whilst I fully trust and believe in the Monero developers, I can understand where you're coming from, they shouldn't be wasting too much time doing stuff like this and instead they should be using that time to develop the software.

EDIT: Although, looking over your posts you do seem to exhibit troll like behavior, perhaps they do need to spend their time cleaning up your mess.

I am divided.

BlockaFett, if I wanted to police/silence you here, your posts would already be deleted.

What evidence is there for Poloniex being a "fake exchange"?

Who pointed out the crippled mining code to us?