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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 215. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
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October 20, 2018, 04:24:52 PM
Thanks, still sad to that we lost dream... afaik it the biggest at the moment... and just because some silly bug that they also could have avoided on their own by cross-checking with their balance

Don't worry: 'That which does not kill me makes me stronger'

Monero is bigger, better and stronger than ever.  Cutting edge tech takes risks and grows by learning from them each time.

Decentralised, no premine, private by default, fungible, store of value, medium of exchange, anti-fragile and...

..a winner.  The dream survives, stronger than ever. 
hero member
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October 20, 2018, 02:53:51 PM
Of course I don't approve of this Monero DNM adoption stuff:

https://twitter.com/derose/status/929026257404211201



Thats from last year - and Dream doesn't accept monero anymore after the counting bug.


My bad - saw it on someone else's feed. Didn't look at date.  Wrongly assumed....

*slinks into dark corner to hide shame...

EDIT: Merit sent - anyone who keeps this place honest and tidy deserves one.

Thanks, still sad to that we lost dream... afaik it the biggest at the moment... and just because some silly bug that they also could have avoided on their own by cross-checking with their balance
legendary
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October 20, 2018, 02:16:14 PM
Of course I don't approve of this Monero DNM adoption stuff:

https://twitter.com/derose/status/929026257404211201



Thats from last year - and Dream doesn't accept monero anymore after the counting bug.


My bad - saw it on someone else's feed. Didn't look at date.  Wrongly assumed....

*slinks into dark corner to hide shame...

EDIT: Merit sent - anyone who keeps this place honest and tidy deserves one.
member
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October 20, 2018, 01:29:06 PM
Monero has a real world use, not a morally good one but it is profitable. With this in mind speculation is that it is going to continue to rise. The dark markets will always be there and people will always use it
legendary
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October 20, 2018, 01:09:06 PM
Of course I don't approve of this Monero DNM adoption stuff:

https://twitter.com/derose/status/929026257404211201



Thats from last year - and Dream doesn't accept monero anymore after the counting bug.

What is from last year exactly?  Link DeRose is posting was updated 5 days ago. Last update: 15.10.18 But is Listing: ~23 Live Markets & Vendor Shops!   So I dont really see any that valuable information. Maybe should dig deeper in information's listed there.  I remember one guy did really good overview like half year ago.
hero member
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October 20, 2018, 12:54:35 PM


When did that happen? Monero has quite a bad track record when it comes to vulnerabilities and bugs, how about Dash...? Smiley... exactly...
The marketcap surely seems to disagree with you, and you seem to value marketcap indication... So the question stands...


As your an old-timer you should know that there have been atleast one or two "sporks" ( ridicolous that this can even exist, talk about centralised ) in the past... preaching to the clueless here.
hero member
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October 20, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
Of course I don't approve of this Monero DNM adoption stuff:

https://twitter.com/derose/status/929026257404211201



Thats from last year - and Dream doesn't accept monero anymore after the counting bug.

legendary
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Merit: 4969
Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
October 20, 2018, 12:34:48 PM
Monero is a shitcoin, don't be left holding bags

LMFAO... Why are you here then? Roll Eyes 

I actually prefer them trolls and sock puppets than the retarded from god knows where they came from.  The trolls make BCT feel like the real BCT.  Today they're just mostly witless drones.

Check out the main altcoin section today...  Wtf is going on there?  I was looking for a POS/DPOS coin to play around with and made a thread about it thinking it would be fun with the shills and all...  Not one smart shill posted.  It's pretty unusual for BCT.

On the bright side you can drop into one of those threads and pretty much put them all on ignore and then when they stray into a decent thread you don't waste your time reading their inane spam.

Looks like the trolls are finally out. We may be back in the black by December.

This time it does not feel the same, I don't think its as strong of an indicator as it used to be with the added players in the game this year, but still a good sign. Smiley

And I'm sure we have a floor.
legendary
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October 20, 2018, 10:09:43 AM
Of course I don't approve of this Monero DNM adoption stuff:

https://twitter.com/derose/status/929026257404211201

legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
October 20, 2018, 05:45:34 AM
Monero is a shitcoin, don't be left holding bags

LMFAO... Why are you here then? Roll Eyes 

I actually prefer them trolls and sock puppets than the retarded from god knows where they came from.  The trolls make BCT feel like the real BCT.  Today they're just mostly witless drones.

Check out the main altcoin section today...  Wtf is going on there?  I was looking for a POS/DPOS coin to play around with and made a thread about it thinking it would be fun with the shills and all...  Not one smart shill posted.  It's pretty unusual for BCT.
hero member
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October 20, 2018, 12:10:36 AM
Looks like the trolls are finally out. We may be back in the black by December.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
October 19, 2018, 10:10:35 PM
Loki went even further and acknowledges that Dash' masternode setup isn't optimal and completely redesigned it to avoid that structure from being exploited by adversaries as has been theorized. It furthermore builds on top of Monero tech, which i agree seems currently quite solid tech.

THIS is soo SIG Worthy!

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Significant falls in the past mean that this can happen in the future on a larger scale. And then those 30 corporations that are included in the DJ index can, for example, simply withdraw their shares from the exchange.


I am trying not to waste merits on legendary accounts but you are far too unappreciated in that area since it was added.

POST M0ar! Smiley

Can anyone tell me why XMR is so cheap despite being so damn powerful, I always try to look at the negatives and positives and good old XMR is one of the most undervalued coins out there, any of you can venture an educated guess on when will it go to its fair price?

TPTB?
Whales accumulating?
Both?

Can anyone tell me why XMR is so cheap despite being so damn powerful, I always try to look at the negatives and positives and good old XMR is one of the most undervalued coins out there, any of you can venture an educated guess on when will it go to its fair price?

When maximalists start practising what they preach and accept Monero is more Bitcoin than Bitcoin.

That or when cartels apply Monero to their cash<--accross-->borders problem.


QFT, Monero is in line with the initial vision. If you want to go argue that though you better put a hat on! Tongue

Privacy must be by default, or it is not by definition private at all.  If some transactions are private, some not - the 'private' coin transactions are compromised.  Optional privacy compromises fungibility, too.  If some coins are private, some coins are not, then coins are tainted and may be treated differently

And as has been (Proven?) allowing different ring sizes reduces fungability hence Monero's change to static.

Monero is a shitcoin, don't be left holding bags

LMFAO... Why are you here then? Roll Eyes  

I'm asking myself why he's not on ignore yet, I must be slipping...Again. Smiley
legendary
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October 19, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
Monero is a shitcoin, don't be left holding bags

LMFAO... Why are you here then? Roll Eyes 
member
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October 19, 2018, 07:54:11 PM
Monero is a shitcoin, don't be left holding bags

Don't fall for the stupid hype.  This is just another altcoin that will die out while bitcoin remains the king.
legendary
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October 19, 2018, 06:50:44 PM
@cryptokwuk

All Monero forks you mention have fraction of Monero community and developers. Yes they can have big part of Monero infrastructure simply because they could copy/paste it from Monero.

No one is bothered much about other coins. Let them do whatever they want to do. None of them is even close to be a real competitor in true crypto currency.


And I know you know this and you totally agree and just have fun opposing it on this thread.
legendary
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October 19, 2018, 11:37:09 AM
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I see this masternode bashing come up regularly from the Monero camp, please show me evidence of any dash private sent transaction has ever been compromised/deanonymized.
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https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1049179846138585088?s=19

Yea that was just bonkers, that specific transaction was a specially crafted one using non standard mixing. If he had used default mixing settings he would have been unable to deanonymize the tx. At best it's comparable to when Monero allowed 0-mixin transactions.

Privacy must be by default, or it is not by definition private at all.  If some transactions are private, some not - the 'private' coin transactions are compromised.  Optional privacy compromises fungibility, too.  If some coins are private, some coins are not, then coins are tainted and may be treated differently

Yes (in theory) Monero initially was as per Dash is still - but Monero is light years ahead of that now.  Evan et al don't seem concerned, or maybe just cannot keep up - it's hard to tell. 

However, privacy is becoming more of an issue, and may for some be a matter of life and death.

The difference is stance between Dash and Monero is clear. Dash cannot hope to be even 'one' of the leading privacy coins and is going in a different direction with its central marketing efforts.  No one who knows what they are doing would even consider Dash for privacy when it really matters.

Lastly - privacy?  Dash has a 'rich list' FFS!   https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-dash-addresses.html

Show me Monero's?
jr. member
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October 19, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
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I see this masternode bashing come up regularly from the Monero camp, please show me evidence of any dash private sent transaction has ever been compromised/deanonymized.
...

https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1049179846138585088?s=19

Yea that was just bonkers, that specific transaction was a specially crafted one using non standard mixing. If he had used default mixing settings he would have been unable to deanonymize the tx. At best it's comparable to when Monero allowed 0-mixin transactions.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
October 19, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
Can anyone tell me why XMR is so cheap despite being so damn powerful, I always try to look at the negatives and positives and good old XMR is one of the most undervalued coins out there, any of you can venture an educated guess on when will it go to its fair price?

When maximalists start practising what they preach and accept Monero is more Bitcoin than Bitcoin.

That or when cartels apply Monero to their cash<--accross-->borders problem.
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1288
October 19, 2018, 10:00:09 AM
Can anyone tell me why XMR is so cheap despite being so damn powerful, I always try to look at the negatives and positives and good old XMR is one of the most undervalued coins out there, any of you can venture an educated guess on when will it go to its fair price?

It had quite big emission in first 4 years, that is extremely slowing down.

Its protocol dont base on Bitcoins so all infrastructure had to be build from start. This made Monero hard to enter on any exchanges or wallets or any other service. That company had to make an extra mile to add Monero. When with Bitcoin clones or ETH tokens was copy/paste job. Another thing to add at development is that original creator left and those developers that joined in 2014 did not know each other and know what to expect from each other. To me it is actually amazing it all went as it went in 2014 and 2015. But developing then was slow since whole code was rechecked and rebased. Also all work was voluntary. There was no crowdfunding. No ICO or IPO or company or a foundation. Just a simple opensource project.

The third thing is fear. Most people believes that anonymous currency brings problems but they actually solves them. You sort of need a mental click to understand how valuable Monero is and what fungibility gives you.

Fourth is that there is way less promotion and asking services and merchants you will not use to add Monero. As it is with other coins.

Fifth, there is way less market manipulation because no one got coins for almost free and cant afford that many to manipulate market.
newbie
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October 19, 2018, 09:36:25 AM
Can anyone tell me why XMR is so cheap despite being so damn powerful, I always try to look at the negatives and positives and good old XMR is one of the most undervalued coins out there, any of you can venture an educated guess on when will it go to its fair price?
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