[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 226.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: Whtwabbit on September 20, 2018, 08:43:07 PM

Crossover on the 1 week MACD, last time this happened was around dec 11 2017
The last 5 times this happened things got exciting, will it be different this time?

(hint: Hope not!)

Whtwabbit

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Crossover on the 1 week MACD, last time this happened was around dec 11 2017
The last 5 times this happened things got exciting, will it be different this time?

(hint: Hope not!)

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: Veseloff on September 20, 2018, 06:02:33 PM

Monero used to look very good, but over the past year, it has become less interesting, although I think it makes sense to hold it for another year and sell it on the growth. Who thinks anything about it, is there a charge for this coin on ToTheMoon?

Nope, there will be no moon. This coin has already topped out and will no longer rise. It is a good time to dump on the next pump and never look back.

Veseloff

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Revolutionising Marketing and Loyalty

Monero used to look very good, but over the past year, it has become less interesting, although I think it makes sense to hold it for another year and sell it on the growth. Who thinks anything about it, is there a charge for this coin on ToTheMoon?

yokosan

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Monero

I really like Monero. the most noble coin in the market. the miners are trying really hard. I congratulate them. I hope the new fork is profitable and popular. Wink

pydev7

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https://twitter.com/iolebedev/status/1042859854891765761

elrippos friend

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only hodl what you understand and love!

Quote from: Febo on September 20, 2018, 01:49:24 PM

27 days left for Moon Rocket Launch http://xmr.noctism.com/

I fucking love this coin and the community behind it Grin

Febo

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27 days left for Moon Rocket Launch http://xmr.noctism.com/

tokeweed

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Life, Love and Laughter...

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

The Cryptonote guys, whoever they are, prolly mostly thought it was very important in keeping the source of the blocks, aka the miners, interested in doing their job. But what they didn't realize was its effect on Monero's economy, which I think is mostly positive due to the reasons stated above.

The users need money in their pockets to encourage spending, hence creating a growing economy. Something that won't happen in a pure deflationary currency that encourages hoarding.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: cAPSLOCK on September 19, 2018, 10:49:16 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on September 19, 2018, 10:22:03 AM

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys.

I got you on that one.

yOU dA mAN!

Quote from: elrippos friend on September 19, 2018, 03:17:54 PM

My predicition for Mid September seems to got busted, so let's wait until mid of november Shocked

What was that prediction again? I have been so far off since the institutional manipulation that I give up.

I used to be able to gauge the bots but not anymore.

elrippos friend

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My predicition for Mid September seems to got busted, so let's wait until mid of november Shocked

cAPSLOCK

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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!

Quote from: Hueristic on September 19, 2018, 10:22:03 AM

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys.

I got you on that one.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 10:15:15 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys.

Febo

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Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Hueristic

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

Quote from: spirali on September 18, 2018, 11:23:10 AM

Quote from: Hueristic on September 18, 2018, 07:40:59 AM

Quote from: spirali on September 18, 2018, 04:42:09 AM

If you like Monero, please consider donating something to Surae to support development: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90730/continued-funding-for-surae-for-another-quarter-september-october-november-2018

Side note for speculators: he's using a 71.88 USD/XMR baseline to be on the safe side during September, October and November

Is he still using this time to research Spectre?

I have serious reservations about that protocol but I forgot what they were. Doh

Looks like he's on multisig & lightning now.

Thanks.

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Quote from: spirali on September 18, 2018, 11:31:12 AM

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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

I assume you are asking about the supply rate as it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand (or I should re-read Milton Friedman). In that case, here is the answer:

Note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/

Thank you for the answer but, does someone has calculated what month of 2019 the crossing is expected to happen?

As Sprirali told you, "it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand" but there is a spreadsheet that rptiella made that was pretty accurate if you search this thread you may find it. IIRC Generalize This (don't remember exact spelling) had a copy.

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 04:26:09 AM

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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It says in about a year.

2019 inflation should be around 4%
2020 inflation should be around 2.4%

While Bitcoins is 3.76% in 2019 and not much less in 2020.

Great link, takes forever to load.

According to that spreadsheet this looks like the day. BTC emits 1800 and XMR Emits 1,798.04.

2019-07-26

Code:

day 3891 17,510,400.00 1,800.00 12.5000 0.01028% 83.38% 1,577.14 day 1926 17,137,453.02 1,798.04 2.4973 0.01049% 92.90% 2019-07-26 3.01%

adjusted from 2019-08-10 which was tagged in the sheet.

Code:

day 3906 17,537,400.00 1,800.00 12.5000 0.010264% 83.51% 1,577.14 day 1941 17,164,165.86 1,761.35 2.4463 0.010262% 93.05% 2019-08-10 Daily Inflation crossover date 2.95%

Quote from: tokeweed on September 19, 2018, 09:34:27 AM

I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

That was the idea and there was a large debate about it when the price first became depressed as rptiella led a group that wanted the emission curve changed to increase their holdings worth and to stop the addition of a tail emission.

Monero has always put utility above profit for investors and anyone holding should be proud of that.

tokeweed

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

7jaka7

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BTC, ETH, XMR, LTC

Quote from: Febo on September 19, 2018, 04:26:09 AM

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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It already was once before Bitcoin halving for a short time.

It says in about a year.

I was just looking at this spreadsheet.

According to it daily inflation crossover will happen on 10 August 2019. I don't know if this table is take into account every variable there is, anyway interesting data too look at.

Febo

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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It says in about a year.

2019 inflation should be around 4%
2020 inflation should be around 2.4%

While Bitcoins is 3.76% in 2019 and not much less in 2020.

elrippos friend

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Wow, when are we going to lift off again Grin

spirali

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

I assume you are asking about the supply rate as it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand (or I should re-read Milton Friedman). In that case, here is the answer:

Note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/

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