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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 293. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
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April 30, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
How far is Monero from incorporating a Lightning Network? It would go a long way towards addressing critics’ scaling concerns. What would atomic crosschain swaps over Lightning do to Monero’s price?

The below posted today by SarangNoether might be interesting:

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Refund Transactions

Informal discussions with a Purdue researcher at the IEEE workshop yielded great new information about refund transactions under active research by one of his students. Refund transactions are a necessary component of certain payment channel applications. A scheme was proposed to us that involves modifying the structure of outputs and ring signatures to allow for a sender to include two outputs: one is valid prior to a specified block height, and the other is valid afterward. We are working with the researchers on the details and security of this scheme, which could have great applications to Monero transactions.
https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/90028/sarang-funding-for-april-may-2018?page=&noscroll=1#post-94677
newbie
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April 30, 2018, 11:07:05 AM
It's a difficult call.  I believe the price is dependent on the level of regulation and aggressiveness from various governments around the world especially relating to Bitcoin.
If things hit the fan and people panic I think a lot of money will pour in from Bitcoin into Monero making the value rise beyond anything we've seen yet!
legendary
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April 30, 2018, 10:43:06 AM
Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.


I agree that it might be useful to ban discussing any other coin by tacit contract to prevent the thread pollution, even when potentially relevant to Monero. I disagree that some cryptonote coins are irrelevant to xmr speculation, at least long-term, say ten years into the future. Perhaps we should start another thread confined to that topic.

There's nothing tacit. See the OP.

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Off topic includes any extensive discussion of other coins, promoting other coins, or posting of promotional materials from other coins.

There is some subjectivity here, but "only legit other cryptonote coin" and given the tenuous at best relevance of a #600 coin, came off as promotion to me. Perhaps it wasn't intended as such, and indeed I didn't outright delete your post, just introduced a little speed bump on it.
newbie
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April 30, 2018, 09:08:32 AM
Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.


I agree that it might be useful to ban discussing any other coin by tacit contract to prevent the thread pollution, even when potentially relevant to Monero. I disagree that some cryptonote coins are irrelevant to xmr speculation, at least long-term, say ten years into the future. Perhaps we should start another thread confined to that topic.
legendary
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April 29, 2018, 11:38:47 PM
Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well.

That's not really the issue. If people start going on about Aeon too much I squelch that too.

This is a Monero thread and very small coins just aren't relevant to Monero unless it is for some very specific reason (and sharing some of the same code isn't one). Maybe you weren't doing it deliberately but people form all coins are always trying to gain exposure for their favorite coin by injecting into other conversations, particularly conversations involving bigger coins with a larger audience and more investors. To keep this from turning into a shill-fest, its all considered off topic.

sr. member
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April 29, 2018, 05:10:48 PM
I'm guessing the Monero crash is a result of the impending MoneroV fork. It's another "sell the news" event. As usual, it will undershoot the market price, and provide a good buying opportunity.

As usual. Given that crypto is dominated by speculators of all types, whether long term hodlers or the quick in and out types. There will always be selling on the news. The key is always to buy on support levels.
legendary
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April 29, 2018, 03:23:36 PM
Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well. MSR appears interesting for the sharding, but haven't studied the design thoroughly yet. Not advertising the coin. I only meant to stimulate a discussion around the interaction of XMR with smaller, lighter coins, which could be the technical scheme required to face a large economy's volume of transactions; and its impact on the price, long-term.

Agreed as well, even though Smooth has never tried to stimulate conversation about his project over in this thread or other coin threads... so you have a good point about how they probably hold the same legitimacy trying to "tweak" some things to practically the same codebase as Monero to make them more "lightweight", he never goes around and tries to "preach the word" to other monero people here or anywhere else besides explaining his viewpoints on the Aeon rebase over at /r/Aeon or over at the other Aeon threads here on Bitcointalk.
newbie
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April 29, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.

Smooth apologies. I hold the same legitimacy for Aeon as well. MSR appears interesting for the sharding, but haven't studied the design thoroughly yet. Not advertising the coin. I only meant to stimulate a discussion around the interaction of XMR with smaller, lighter coins, which could be the technical scheme required to face a large economy's volume of transactions; and its impact on the price, long-term.
member
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April 29, 2018, 01:15:07 PM
Was expecting bigger pump because of moneroV fork but it seems its a good time to open short position on it for now since monero already had its pump untill ledger integration comes to play.Anyone got eta on when this will happen?
legendary
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April 29, 2018, 12:51:41 PM
Patience is the key, but I hope we will see another pump soon... did not see that much action after the hard fork ( the real one ) and the coming ledger wallet...
  I expect the beast will reawaken somewhat with the point release.  Ledger support has been long awaited.
sr. member
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April 29, 2018, 10:25:17 AM
Patience is the key, but I hope we will see another pump soon... did not see that much action after the hard fork ( the real one ) and the coming ledger wallet...
member
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April 29, 2018, 09:26:41 AM
VERY rough week for Monero it seems, most of the crypto market has moved ahead and it seems to be one of the very few coins that has stagnated, MoneroV pump wearing off but still I thought it'd be a little higher.

The crypto market cap is nearly up 15% from a week ago and its gone backwards.

Hopefully May will bring us some positive price action.

I held on from 100 to 350 (sold there) and now am back in accumulation mode.

Patience Smiley
member
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April 29, 2018, 09:25:25 AM
Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.

Seems like the MSR people like shilling in Monero threads - dunno why, maybe they think just because the code base is derivative MSR might actually be useful...
member
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April 29, 2018, 09:17:49 AM
VERY rough week for Monero it seems, most of the crypto market has moved ahead and it seems to be one of the very few coins that has stagnated, MoneroV pump wearing off but still I thought it'd be a little higher.

The crypto market cap is nearly up 15% from a week ago and its gone backwards.

Hopefully May will bring us some positive price action.
legendary
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April 29, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
How far is Monero from incorporating a Lightning Network? It would go a long way towards addressing critics’ scaling concerns. What would atomic crosschain swaps over Lightning do to Monero’s price?


Someone else might speculate about time when this might happen.  But I see it extremely useful for any anon currency  since it would sort of be an extremely simple decentralized exchange. Altho as I understand to achieve atomic swaps would need some sort of centralism, so is hard to say.

That will not happen that fast is on other hand good, since Bitcoin will be testbed for it, so same mistakes will not be repeated in Monero.
pa
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April 29, 2018, 07:19:24 AM
How far is Monero from incorporating a Lightning Network? It would go a long way towards addressing critics’ scaling concerns. What would atomic crosschain swaps over Lightning do to Monero’s price?
legendary
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April 28, 2018, 02:54:07 PM
There is lots of Monero Forks or other cryptonote coins. And many many more to come. Each have some problems and worries.  Calling one of them this or that is a bit silly specially if is only few months old.

It could happen that transparent ledger coins could get totally abandoned. At that point all of these coins would flourish. If that will not happen then will be the same as right now.
legendary
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April 28, 2018, 02:50:46 PM
Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin.

You're bordering on blatant promotion here. Come on.

MSR is ranked roughly #600 on coinmarketcap. It could have a great future and if so might become worthwhile to discuss as a direct competitive threat to Monero some day. but until then I have a hard time believing there aren't a good share of 600 others that are more relevant to this thread.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
April 28, 2018, 02:48:14 PM
Hmm.. That ginormous head and shoulders on the 1H chart making anyone else a little twitchy?

what’s that mean? what you think will happen?

Well I am no technician, but that pattern on the chart tends to signal a downward move.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/head-shoulders.asp
newbie
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April 28, 2018, 02:41:00 PM
I would like to hear thoughts about Monero and Masari (MSR). Note that this could affect Monero's price in the very long run, so it is not out of topic, unless this thread is confined to short-term speculations. Masari seems to be the only legit other cryptonote coin. Can this newly born, in the future, eat some of the Monero's cake? On one hand, certainly liquidity seems, in the long time horizon, to converge to a monopoly. Hence the argument against the possibility of survival and existence of other coins, assuming same underlying technology. But Monero could face scaling issues, and if that happens, solutions will be sought. One such solution might be for Monero to become 'Gold reserves', and another more scalable cryptonote coin the actual cash, to be used for daily transactions. Certainly some new technology will have to bridge the two coins to make the process of swapping them frictionless. That would have Masari eat some of the Monero's meal. Thoughts, inputs?
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