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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 832. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
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March 03, 2017, 09:33:00 AM
I think the two major weaknesses Monero have are 1) No masternodes (only dumpages on the exchanges) 2) No ongoing marketing hype. The result is that the price declines against bitcoin.

Masternodes are a liability.  They are an attack vector for deanonymizing transactions.  We should thank Saberhagen we don't have that.  But I assume you like them because they reduce the liquidity of the float thereby causing swings in price to be more amplified.

And the ongoing marketing "hype" is just bullshit.

You seem to only be interested in Monero as a get rich quick "pump and dump" vehicle.  That's fine.  My priorities are different though.  I do NOT want marketing "hype".  When you make the price rise unnaturally you will pay for it eventually.  In fact it could be argued we are paying for the dark market hype now.

I would propose Dash better meets your desires for a cryptocurrency.

To be honest I should have invested into Dark coin when it was cheap (a couple months ago).... I think it is too late now - I am not saying it cannot go higher but definetely it is not that much of a bargain than it was.
Yes in terms of market capitalization the idea of masternodes is perfect for a crypto in the world we are living (where cryptos are merely speculation tools). Basically anything that locks coins is preventing the major dumps taking place and helps the price to increase as it is easier to pump a coin that has lowish available supply.
I think people investing in Darkcoin understand basic economics.  Wink
I am currently investigating coins to diversify, and I am interested in projects that have opportunity to rise in price. You know, I am not an idealist but a speculator.
And nope, I have no margin positions to any directions.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda,...WCS

Now go start a market hype campaign with your own funds.

Thanks  Smiley

Please do not direct the question to the funding issues.....

Why not?

I'm a big believer that if I want something I would rather do it myself. In the same respect I would expect someone who wants something to do the same.



Because me as a funder is kinda weakness of Monero compared to Dark coin that has a set budget for the hyping and pumping.

Weakness in self funding by the community that believes in a project?

Dark/DASH just sacrificed network security to allow MNs to generate "mining rewards" and took that away from the miners who secure the network. Not really a good argument there.

In the early stages this works but when the project goes forward and new people have entered it will not work so the funding system based on donations is pretty short sighted way of organizing it since it relies on the generosity of stingy people...
Also bear in mind, if a small fish donates the projects, it is the whales that benefit the most.  Wink
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 09:28:40 AM
Okay guys/fellow speculators, do you think it is finally time to dump dark coins and pump Monero or shall we wait still to better deals?

It was time yesterday, TC.  But the smart money knew that and have already dumped.

And the time to buy (not 'pump' - don't use that word, please) was also yesterday - or any day from now on.

In my opinion it is not stupid to dump Dark coins now either. I doubt the current price can be maintained yet (perhaps in 2019 Dark coin have a stable price of 0.03 btc). Now you can convert 1 Dark coin into 3 Moneros - it used to be like 1+ dark coins to 1 xmr before the dump so Dark coin is still over priced and Monero underpriced.
You can use word buy - I will use word pump because the meaning of pumping refers to driving the price up and that's the whole idea - when  the price is maxed then it is time to dump (or sell as you would call it). Dump is better word in case of Monero though because the selling can be pretty heavy.
legendary
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Free spirit
March 03, 2017, 09:10:20 AM
We are recovering a bit.

Back up to 0113

hero member
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March 03, 2017, 09:05:21 AM
For the sake of any newcomers around here, let's just take a step back and look at the view from 40,000 feet as they say.

Monero and Dash are both about 3 years old at this point, Dash launching as "XCoin" then "Darkcoin" only a few months ahead of Monero.

So here's their long-term, all-time charts from CoinMarketCap: XMR first:





...looks fairly flat due to steady simple development and little hype/mania except for one-two big spikes last summer which was almost certainly attributable to the adoption of Monero by important large dark-net-markets or DNM's as they're called.  This two-spike can probably really be considered just one big combo spike due to some overshoot and correction in the later months.

In contrast let's check out Dash's chart:





Uh huh... righty-o there LOL -- pretty clear what the nice folks behind this coin are really all about, eh?

IF this latest big pump does NOT turn out to be just more of the same, only at more extreme scale, it would be a massive change in their reality.

IF there is really some REASON for this massive change in reality (new transaction volume? New listing on big markets? New use case...??  Anything??) I have not heard it yet. 

Is there any Dash fan here who can actually say what is the REASON for this change in reality? 

If not, I'd fully expect this Big Pump to very soon have an equally Big Dump right back to where it started -- just as we can clearly see has happened so many times before, right there plain as day on the chart.  Simple numbers like this don't lie.

Anyway, speculation thread LOL so sure, maybe this is totally wrong of me, but we'll see eventually one way or the other... popcorn ready here, LOL
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 08:21:21 AM
Who's next?

Monero?

Hope so, but without the taint of engineered fake pump..
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 08:02:59 AM
Who's next?

Monero?
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 04:33:35 AM
If Monero is able to break 0.017 (the peak/resistance from some time ago) it will be a good piece of news. Let's wait and see what happens.

Buy side too low right now, the Dash fiasco has to end - it's sucking up most Polo volume right now.  Another leg down might see money finally desert it. 
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 03:17:41 AM
Okay guys/fellow speculators, do you think it is finally time to dump dark coins and pump Monero or shall we wait still to better deals?

It was time yesterday, TC.  But the smart money knew that and have already dumped.

And the time to buy (not 'pump' - don't use that word, please) was also yesterday - or any day from now on.
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 02:24:29 AM
If Monero is able to break 0.017 (the peak/resistance from some time ago) it will be a good piece of news. Let's wait and see what happens.
legendary
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March 03, 2017, 01:36:02 AM
Okay guys/fellow speculators, do you think it is finally time to dump dark coins and pump Monero or shall we wait still to better deals?
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 02, 2017, 07:14:18 PM
So I put a margin sell in to close my long @ .00109 and it disappeared and never closed. It's small so i don't care but polo has screwed me on margins a few times now.

You're having a hell of a time with those zeros  Grin

Yup, gotta go back to just buying and h0dl! Cheesy
legendary
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March 02, 2017, 07:07:05 PM
So I put a margin sell in to close my long @ .00109 and it disappeared and never closed. It's small so i don't care but polo has screwed me on margins a few times now.

You're having a hell of a time with those zeros  Grin
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 02, 2017, 04:39:01 PM
So I put a margin sell in to close my long @ .00109 and it disappeared and never closed. It's small so i don't care but polo has screwed me on margins a few times now.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
March 02, 2017, 01:02:17 PM
They could handle the KYC aspect of Monero coming into Coinbase the same way they do for cash and bitcoin currently, and the same way banks do.  I.e. ask the owner to disclose how they acquired them, source of funds, etc.

Banks have rules about cash. Coinbase does not handle cash, only bank transfers and Bitcoin (and Ethereum).

That's a big difference. A bank could just throw up their hands and say "Can't trace the chain? Let's treat it like cash to be safe" but Coinbase can't in practice do that.


I thought all crypto currency's had already been determined to be securities, didn't they have to rule on that for tax purposes a few years ago?

IRS deemed them property / assets, like securities.

Doesn't really affect the KYC / AML issues with a cryptocurrency (anonymous or pseudonymous).  Other than meaning that if you use crypto to money launder, and you haven't paid taxes appropriately, you will also be charged with tax fraud.

Sets precedence doesn't it?

Not sure what precedent you are referring to?

If the IRS has classified them as securities than all gov must recognize them as such unless that ruling gets challenged in a court of law, correct? Well in the US anyway.

Not necessarily.  And again, not securities, property.  Securities are property.  Bitcoin are property.  Bitcoin not necessarily a security.

And whether they are property or security, doesn't affect KYC / AML.  Show up to your bank with a bunch of bearer bonds of unknown source, they may decide they need info on source.

Thanks for the explanation, I have no clue about all these bullshit laws all I know is the rich don't pay and the rest of us do.
sr. member
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March 02, 2017, 11:44:56 AM
Cryptos aren't registered securities; therefore, cryptos aren't securities.  By law.

By no means do securities have to be registered to be securities.

You can form a company in hours and issue yourself securities, unregistered.  Subject to various exemptions from registration, you can also issue unregistered securities to your employees and investors.

You can legally raise large amounts of money from qualified investors using unregistered securities.

Or you can illegally sell unregistered securities.  Like this guy:  http://www.coindesk.com/sec-voorhees-deal-unauthorized-securities-sales/

Lots of things can be securities.  Whether or not they need to be registered is a secondary question.
sr. member
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March 02, 2017, 11:26:32 AM
Cryptos aren't registered securities; therefore, cryptos aren't securities.  By law.
full member
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<3 Crypto
March 02, 2017, 10:32:56 AM
Crazy price action for XMR/BTC!
Another spike again? Or real uptrend?  Cool
sr. member
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March 02, 2017, 08:34:37 AM
They could handle the KYC aspect of Monero coming into Coinbase the same way they do for cash and bitcoin currently, and the same way banks do.  I.e. ask the owner to disclose how they acquired them, source of funds, etc.

Banks have rules about cash. Coinbase does not handle cash, only bank transfers and Bitcoin (and Ethereum).

That's a big difference. A bank could just throw up their hands and say "Can't trace the chain? Let's treat it like cash to be safe" but Coinbase can't in practice do that.


I thought all crypto currency's had already been determined to be securities, didn't they have to rule on that for tax purposes a few years ago?

IRS deemed them property / assets, like securities.

Doesn't really affect the KYC / AML issues with a cryptocurrency (anonymous or pseudonymous).  Other than meaning that if you use crypto to money launder, and you haven't paid taxes appropriately, you will also be charged with tax fraud.

Sets precedence doesn't it?

Not sure what precedent you are referring to?

If the IRS has classified them as securities than all gov must recognize them as such unless that ruling gets challenged in a court of law, correct? Well in the US anyway.

Not necessarily.  And again, not securities, property.  Securities are property.  Bitcoin are property.  Bitcoin not necessarily a security.

And whether they are property or security, doesn't affect KYC / AML.  Show up to your bank with a bunch of bearer bonds of unknown source, they may decide they need info on source.
newbie
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March 02, 2017, 07:29:41 AM
Any opinions on if I put another $100 on XMR, would you say do it now? Or wait till bitcoin etf decision?
legendary
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March 02, 2017, 06:56:23 AM
Shit if I had typed .00999 instead of .0999 on my long I would be happy now. Smiley Guess I have to wait a little  longer for pARITY. dOH
Haha, I've done that a couple of times before - its annoying when the price travels between 0.009 and 0.01 - caught me out a couple of times - I've written a robot to trade XMR for me now which shouldn't make those kind of mistakes...
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