[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 851.

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:10:02 PM

Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 05:04:06 PM

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:02:17 PM

If that is the lens thru which you wish to view things Smoothie, that's your choice. I choose another one that gives me a different perspective and plenty of peace of mind - maybe yours does too, who am I to say Wink

There is no lens of which I look through.

It is the reality of the situation.

Thanks for letting me know you have the copyright on 'reality', I will try not to infringe upon it Wink

Ciao bella Kiss

EDIT: Look Smoothie, I've no beef with you or anyone else in this community (yet!), hence this edit, but I do see selective vision on this Jaxx thing from many, and a refusal to talk about other aspects due to loyalty. That's understandable, but it is not representative of the whole picture, and I really dont want to go to that place either as it's not necessary. Mistakes have been made, and will be made again. We should simply regroup and move on - the future for Monero has not changed throughout any of this - it is very very bright and we should be looking forwards not backwards

I only got to say Jaxx brought that all on themselves when they "attacked" fluffypony for not doing anything for them for free. This post and the following shitstorm on reddit http://decentral.ca/category/blog/ are the reason why there is so much negativity about it + the recent "it is ready hype" when it wasnt. If the consumer relation would have been handled a little bit more professional or honest, i mean why did it need this interview, they could have said this right away when they paused the integration.

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Quote from: Johnny Mnemonic on February 08, 2017, 06:26:55 PM

Also, do you really think the entire Jaxx team was blindsided by the regularly scheduled hard fork and the the open-source, much anticipated RingCT implementation?

Quote from: Anthony Di Iorio

It was working. It was working with the protocol as it was working back then, and again, in the same way, that MyMonero was working and once we had it working I announced the first transactions. And that was all before the changes were made.

Maybe next time our top secret devs will think twice before they secretly develop features that nobody knew were coming and release the code at the very last second in a surprise hard fork!

I am not disagreeing that their public pronouncements don't reflect poorly on them, but to be fair, hasn't the ring CT hardfork completely borked mymonero for several weeks now? Or is it working again?

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Also, do you really think the entire Jaxx team was blindsided by the regularly scheduled hard fork and the the open-source, much anticipated RingCT implementation?

Quote from: Anthony Di Iorio

It was working. It was working with the protocol as it was working back then, and again, in the same way, that MyMonero was working and once we had it working I announced the first transactions. And that was all before the changes were made.

Maybe next time our top secret devs will think twice before they secretly develop features that nobody knew were coming and release the code at the very last second in a surprise hard fork!

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:10:02 PM

Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 05:04:06 PM

There is no lens of which I look through.

It is the reality of the situation.

Thanks for letting me know you have the copyright on 'reality', I will try not to infringe upon it Wink

So are you saying that you disagree with Smoothie's version of "reality?"

Did Jaxx not announce Monero support back in October 2016 and claim it would be done in November?

After that deadline was missed, did Jaxx not continue to insist that integration was nearly complete and release was imminent?

Which of the above statements are you saying is untrue?

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:10:02 PM

Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 05:04:06 PM

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:02:17 PM

If that is the lens thru which you wish to view things Smoothie, that's your choice. I choose another one that gives me a different perspective and plenty of peace of mind - maybe yours does too, who am I to say Wink

There is no lens of which I look through.

It is the reality of the situation.

Thanks for letting me know you have the copyright on 'reality', I will try not to infringe upon it Wink

Ciao bella Kiss

EDIT: Look Smoothie, I've no beef with you or anyone else in this community (yet!), hence this edit, but I do see selective vision on this Jaxx thing from many, and a refusal to talk about other aspects due to loyalty. That's understandable, but it is not representative of the whole picture, and I really dont want to go to that place either as it's not necessary. Mistakes have been made, and will be made again. We should simply regroup and move on - the future for Monero has not changed throughout any of this - it is very very bright and we should be looking forwards not backwards

I disagree on the point that looking only forward can allow one to forget what has happened in the past. Not learning from history is, as some say it, the fall to those who refuse to learn from the past.

Monero has a very bright future and you are right focusing on something too much that matters little is a waste of time and unproductive, but I am not one to turn a blind eye to shenanigans. When it comes to calling a spade a spade I would wager that is "reality", when claims are based on facts.

Monero is an idea whose time has come.

Thank you for your honesty, even if we disagree on some things. Kiss

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Quote from: redhack on February 08, 2017, 05:23:32 PM

So is it a good time to buy or should we wait 3-5 years at most? I'm going to invest for long term but I don't see what is the fair entry point. Is it still overvalued? Trend is declining for the last month. Is it possible to see below 0.01 again?
I believe this coin will be successful in long term but I haven't bought yet, I'm just trying to figure out a cheap entry point. Maybe I should regularly buy small amounts every 2 weeks/month.

Averaging your costs over a period of time is a tried and true strategy that works for many. I will say that when things break loose, you will definitely wish you had more so don't put it off too long. Even if the price dips below .01 again, in the not too distant future that difference will seem very trivial.
Personally, IMHO 3-5 years will miss much of the expected price appreciation. I would buy a more than trivial amount right now to get started and add to it on a regular basis or when there are price dips. The exact amount is different for everybody based on their risk tolerance, etc...

Best of luck to us All!

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So is it a good time to buy or should we wait 3-5 years at most? I'm going to invest for long term but I don't see what is the fair entry point. Is it still overvalued? Trend is declining for the last month. Is it possible to see below 0.01 again?
I believe this coin will be successful in long term but I haven't bought yet, I'm just trying to figure out a cheap entry point. Maybe I should regularly buy small amounts every 2 weeks/month.

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Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 05:04:06 PM

Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:02:17 PM

If that is the lens thru which you wish to view things Smoothie, that's your choice. I choose another one that gives me a different perspective and plenty of peace of mind - maybe yours does too, who am I to say Wink

There is no lens of which I look through.

It is the reality of the situation.

Thanks for letting me know you have the copyright on 'reality', I will try not to infringe upon it Wink

Ciao bella Kiss

EDIT: Look Smoothie, I've no beef with you or anyone else in this community (yet!), hence this edit, but I do see selective vision on this Jaxx thing from many, and a refusal to talk about other aspects due to loyalty. That's understandable, but it is not representative of the whole picture, and I really dont want to go to that place either as it's not necessary. Mistakes have been made, and will be made again. We should simply regroup and move on - the future for Monero has not changed throughout any of this - it is very very bright and we should be looking forwards not backwards

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 05:02:17 PM

If that is the lens thru which you wish to view things Smoothie, that's your choice. I choose another one that gives me a different perspective and plenty of peace of mind - maybe yours does too, who am I to say Wink

There is no lens of which I look through.

It is the reality of the situation.

Jaxx announced they would have support for Monero posted back in October 2016 and it would be done in November 2016.

Instead of keeping quiet and working on their project, like many others have including myself, they decided to announce it prior to completion, thus only hyping it then to not deliver.

Hard to not see the over promising and under delivering.

You can use a lens if you wish, but that only allows you to see things with a form of tunnel vision. Kiss

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If that is the lens thru which you wish to view things Smoothie, that's your choice. I choose another one that gives me a different perspective and plenty of peace of mind - maybe yours does too, who am I to say Wink

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 03:56:15 PM

Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 03:34:14 PM

Quote from: CTTE on February 08, 2017, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: Febo on February 08, 2017, 02:14:46 PM

Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason. He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out. And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

When you are used to copy-pasta-ing code, you don't have much foresight. It seems they wanted a free lunch.

The market doesn't work that way (at least for the most part).

With respect, they were not the only ones to get blindsided by the magnitude of the effect the RingCT changes would have to a non-custodial wallet service.

Seems to me there are a lot of XMR holders here that are pissed that THEY did not get a free lunch.

I will glad when all of this is in the rearview mirror and we have a nice, fully funtional web and phone wallet, and less ad hominems.

As far as I am aware they were the only ones hyping their app prior to its release. That is what deciphers them from "the rest".

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Quote from: phoenix rises on February 08, 2017, 03:56:15 PM

Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 03:34:14 PM

Quote from: CTTE on February 08, 2017, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: Febo on February 08, 2017, 02:14:46 PM

Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason. He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out. And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

When you are used to copy-pasta-ing code, you don't have much foresight. It seems they wanted a free lunch.

The market doesn't work that way (at least for the most part).

With respect, they were not the only ones to get blindsided by the magnitude of the effect the RingCT changes would have to a non-custodial wallet service.

Seems to me there are a lot of XMR holders here that are pissed that THEY did not get a free lunch.

I will glad when all of this is in the rearview mirror and we have a nice, fully funtional web and phone wallet, and less ad hominems.

That is correct, it took MyMonero down, BTW is it up yet?

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Quote from: smoothie on February 08, 2017, 03:34:14 PM

Quote from: CTTE on February 08, 2017, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: Febo on February 08, 2017, 02:14:46 PM

Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason. He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out. And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

When you are used to copy-pasta-ing code, you don't have much foresight. It seems they wanted a free lunch.

The market doesn't work that way (at least for the most part).

With respect, they were not the only ones to get blindsided by the magnitude of the effect the RingCT changes would have to a non-custodial wallet service.

Seems to me there are a lot of XMR holders here that are pissed that THEY did not get a free lunch.

I will glad when all of this is in the rearview mirror and we have a nice, fully funtional web and phone wallet, and less ad hominems.

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Quote from: CTTE on February 08, 2017, 02:43:30 PM

Quote from: Febo on February 08, 2017, 02:14:46 PM

Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason. He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out. And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

When you are used to copy-pasta-ing code, you don't have much foresight. It seems they wanted a free lunch.

The market doesn't work that way (at least for the most part).

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Quote from: Febo on February 08, 2017, 02:14:46 PM

Edited..

... About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

Actually, to me they seem even more incompetent for this very reason. He repeatedly said they built for months on the old codebase, and didn't even look to see what was coming out. And everything worked until the Monero team deployed the new code... Who does that? They and everybody who knew anything about Monero knew there were going to be significant changes at the protocol level so, why in the world wouldn't you make sure you were always coding against the latest version?

That's just extremely poor project management on their part.

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Quote from: noobtrader on February 08, 2017, 11:39:12 AM

then someone from xmr should write a rebuttal news about what happen... right ? Huh

You are joking. You want coders to write articles? there are journalists for that. PRO or hobby ones.

To return to this guy. If we totally forget that his famous article where he totally made fool of himself trusting rumours and fake screenshoots, is good case my quote here few days ago. let me find it.

He posted this in his last article when he was talking about Jaxx and Monero. lol. You need to know what you write about. And also people you write about. His source was this joke here:

He is just bad at what he is doing. About Jaxx is perfect they finally come out with a reason. At least they did not looked totally incompetent. It is all CT-Ring fault.

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Here's my Answer to your cross-post link.

Quote from: TheFuzzStone on February 08, 2017, 08:41:08 AM

What Really Happened With Jaxx's Failed Monero Integration Attempt: Di Iorio

Got as far as this lie and stopped reading.

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There was just a ton of responses to have a Monero wallet just because there hasn’t been one. There hasn’t been a graphical user interface wallet, except for MyMonero.

There's been like FIVE !

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Quote from: obit33 on February 08, 2017, 10:53:08 AM

Quote from: TheFuzzStone on February 08, 2017, 08:41:53 AM

What Really Happened With Jaxx's Failed Monero Integration Attempt: Di Iorio

I don't read the crap that Joel Valenzuela aka the desertlynx (a known dash-fanboy) writes anymore... That guy has zero integrity and lost all credibility long ago.

best regards,

then someone from xmr should write a rebuttal news about what happen... right ? Huh

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Quote from: TheFuzzStone on February 08, 2017, 08:41:53 AM

What Really Happened With Jaxx's Failed Monero Integration Attempt: Di Iorio

I don't read the crap that Joel Valenzuela aka the desertlynx (a known dash-fanboy) writes anymore... That guy has zero integrity and lost all credibility long ago.

best regards,

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