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legendary
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Monero Core Team
December 17, 2016, 05:16:17 PM
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There are presently limits to Bitcoin's TSP, but there is no limit to how valuable those 2-7 tx are.  Hence Bitcoin's destiny to become high powered super money used for settlement between institutions which issue their own tokens backed by BTC.
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This assessment of Bitcoin destiny as "high powered super money used for settlement between institutions which issue their own tokens backed by BTC" could in fact be very accurate. What Bitcoin is not becoming is a platform for individuals to make transactions among them selves without the need for a "trusted"  third party. This reality is fundamentally different from the original purpose of Bitcoin as presented by Satoshi Nakamoto. https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
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1. Introduction

Commerce on the Internet has come to rely almost exclusively on financial institutions serving as trusted third parties to process electronic payments. While the system works well enough for most transactions, it still suffers from the inherent   weaknesses of the trust based model. Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid mediating disputes. The cost of mediation increases transaction costs, limiting the minimum practical transaction size and cutting off the possibility for small casual transactions, and there is a broader cost in   the loss of ability to make non-reversible payments for non-reversible services. With the possibility of reversal, the need for trust spreads. Merchants must be wary of their customers, hassling them for more information than they would otherwise need. A certain percentage of fraud is accepted as unavoidable. These costs and payment uncertainties can be avoided in person by using physical currency, but no mechanism exists to make payments over a communications channel without a trusted party.

What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust, allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted third party. Transactions that are computationally impractical to reverse would protect sellers from fraud, and routine escrow mechanisms could easily be implemented to protect buyers. In this paper, we propose a solution ...
What is becoming clear is that Bitcoin is not the solution here and that another crypto currency at least has a chance of becoming the solution.  Wink
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
December 17, 2016, 05:07:54 PM
So what do you think guys about TumbleBit? It could make bitcoin payments anonymous.

https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575.pdf

TumbleBit: a trustless, instant, free, anonymous, scaleable payment system. On top of Bitcoin.

Almost too good to be true, and unfortunately something I can not judge (smooth?). But in general it is a very good thing that people are actively working getting Bitcoin more fungible. I still consider this it's Achilles heel more than it's current scaling challenges.
sr. member
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December 17, 2016, 03:59:12 PM
So what do you think guys about TumbleBit? It could make bitcoin payments anonymous.

https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575.pdf
Bitcoin will never be able to confer the same level of privacy as Monero, simply because Bitcoin will only have optional privacy, while Monero has privacy by default for all transactions. The presence of transparent transactions degrades the privacy of those using tumblers, sidechains, or whatever else Bitcoiners cobble together. As far as the technical details of Tumblebit, I'd be interested in getting the opinion of someone like Arcticmine or Smooth.
legendary
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December 17, 2016, 03:47:00 PM
So what do you think guys about TumbleBit? It could make bitcoin payments anonymous.

https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575.pdf
full member
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December 17, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Guys, what is this huge increase in the hash rate? One week ago 27Mhs, now 41. Price gonna burst soon. Everybody leaves the scams zcash and eth and boards our train.  I am expecting a burst to 20$ about XMRmas.
legendary
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December 17, 2016, 03:19:53 PM
Still remarkable is the fact, XMR holding around 0,01xx with the upcomming BTC rally  Shocked Grin
legendary
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December 17, 2016, 02:10:52 PM
Speculation then:

Seems BTC is having it's long-awaited French Weekend - might even bust over the 800 mark (although volume is not really earth shattering, so maybe it's just 'another ten bucks up').

Good old Honeypony doesn't seem to give a shit - but if BTC does break 800... Can we keep it up, gentlemen (and ladies, come to that)?
legendary
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December 17, 2016, 02:07:59 PM
It sort-of, kinda worked, the first line at least: but I got something different for the second pass... see screencap here:

Looks like your base64 command does not have a -d option for decoding, or ignores it, or it's got a different function, which is not apparent here.

Try: man base64
Or: base64 --help

Then work out what's the way to decode with this particular program.
legendary
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December 17, 2016, 02:05:49 PM

LOL oh man that is one weird-ass gif!!!

And, "HoneyPony" LOL LOL --- I think you just invented the next Major Monero Meme there Cheesy


Just clicked it - as I too love the 'Honeypony' nick - and I agree that gif is awesome.

Got my money on Honeypony...  Wink
hero member
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December 17, 2016, 01:38:44 PM

Assuming some type of UNIX system:

$ echo -n 01234567890abcdef11111 | base64
MDEyMzQ1Njc4OTBhYmNkZWYxMTExMQ==
$ echo MDEyMzQ1Njc4OTBhYmNkZWYxMTExMQ== | base64 -d
01234567890abcdef11111


By the way, I tried this on my Macbook (presuming OS X is reasonably Unix-ish?)

It sort-of, kinda worked, the first line at least: but I got something different for the second pass... see screencap here:


So, any idea what's up with that?  

I'm clearly not too "up" on unix command-line stuff here (but I do know my way around good ol' basic DOS on Windows, not "afraid" of CLI just don't have much experience yet, LOL)

P.S. {Edit} For what it's worth... using the http://kjur.github.io/jsjws/tool_b64udec.html website again did correctly return "01234567890abcdef11111" from input MDEyMzQ1Njc4OTBhYmNkZWYxMTExMQ== as Base64 to UTF-8... SO I suppose the lesson here is to always try more than one method to get what you need if results don't jibe first time thru. 

May be a little panic in case of trying to decode a cryptic string from one of smoothie's coins, on a very valuable Monero address, in the future -- but hopefully having all these "instructions" posted here on the forum and archived for future posterity will help someone out... LOL
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
December 17, 2016, 12:17:48 PM

LOL oh man that is one weird-ass gif!!!

And, "HoneyPony" LOL LOL --- I think you just invented the next Major Monero Meme there Cheesy




Because:

1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. Refer to number 1. Grin


1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. Refer to number 1. Grin
3. Profit...!!!

FTFY Cheesy


MAN, I'm never gonna get to profit if this is true. Smiley

1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. If Profit > Pry from my cold dead hands level goto 4.
3. Refer to number 1. Grin
4. Profit...!!!

Fixed that for me. Tongue
hero member
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December 17, 2016, 12:09:12 PM

LOL oh man that is one weird-ass gif!!!

And, "HoneyPony" LOL LOL --- I think you just invented the next Major Monero Meme there Cheesy




Because:

1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. Refer to number 1. Grin


1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. Refer to number 1. Grin
3. Profit...!!!

FTFY Cheesy




Honestly, I took a pre-created sample private spend key and modified it (just because). So I wouldn't know the address or view key.

This is good that you are playing around with it and testing it. As I've indicated in the instructions you should create/generate your own keys to test with prior to sending any amounts to the address.

Proceed with caution.  Smiley


Okay, thanks... will do.  Hope this helped others here using your cool coin too... good luck to everyone Smiley
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
December 16, 2016, 10:41:55 PM
@dEBRUYNE & @MoneroMooo

Cool... thanks for those.  Totally don't grok what any of that info's about, LOL but cool to play with anyway Cheesy

So, just as a test using the info on the slip of paper that Smoothie included with the coin, here's what I got:

Smoothie had the example "Base64" text to print in the circle on paper, to cut out and insert under the hologram sticker, like this...

iOLI
b6/Kukeg
h23tC8Prlo
9OC0GF8mgn
djeI9ike
dji=

...which I had to use a jeweler's loupe to actually READ, LOL... my eye's gettin' old, man... heh

Anyway, that's...

iOLIb6/Kukegh23tC8Prlo9OC0GF8mgndjeI9ikedji=

...which I then used http://kjur.github.io/jsjws/tool_b64udec.html online to convert to...

88e2c86fafcaba47a0876ded0bc3eb968f4e0b4185f26827763788f6291e7638

...which then using luigi1111's tool, above, yielded valid Monero Address...

49cfLx1LyTK6JgUYtqSZszckGP3S8nVYLAwU4dZJUc5ZRajBUT7tGfB41cBHMxJEwfcjFmLegFypy6Z U6wDNsJcDHNwJnh2

...and SEED WORDS...

sipped bugs needed biscuit feline neither dads sulking saga anchor safety geyser patio hounded peaches juvenile moisture radar oncoming agnostic yawning teeming budget gone radar

...which worked fine on MyMonero but (of course) didn't show any balance currently or transaction history.

So... bottom line?  Smoothie, if you're reading this and you remember what address that example text on your little instruction sheet came from, maybe confirm that it's all correct and I successfully reverted back here, from the shorter simple Base64 all the way to seed words?

Pretty cool, if so.  Good system Smiley

Just wanna practice this a couple more times before actually putting any XMR onto the coin, permanently.  

Just 'cuz after all, y'know, 5 XMR going to this little fun "throwaway" coin just to play with today, may be worth equivalent of $5,000,000 purchasing power for my future grandchildren some day, LOL

P.S. {Edit} Hmm... maybe spoke too soon?  Slight quirk apparently, I didn't look closely enough before, but just now I noticed that using those seed words to log in to MyMonero shows *different* address, in fact:

Account Address (Public)
49cfLx1LyTK6JgUYtqSZszckGP3S8nVYLAwU4dZJUc5ZRZ3acjTyx3rFjnZjptwjPDWEnMuQa2wW852 NUKSeQMWMRNMDHoy

View Key (Private)
528821c52c901556be9ac964a58c80c8196efa2c0f2acfaac6f28c4b19c41b0b

Spend Key (Private)
c166e75860a1833f1db1860470d54e588f4e0b4185f26827763788f6291e7608

IS this still "the same" however, so if XMR was sent to this it would still work...?  Or...?  Hmm...

Honestly, I took a pre-created sample private spend key and modified it (just because). So I wouldn't know the address or view key.

This is good that you are playing around with it and testing it. As I've indicated in the instructions you should create/generate your own keys to test with prior to sending any amounts to the address.

Proceed with caution.  Smiley
legendary
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December 16, 2016, 10:06:14 PM
I really want to give credit to Monero for holding it's value during this Bitcoin rise. $8.50 at the moment.
Looking at the USD charts, it has been pegged linearly since the reversal of the DNM selloff. The BTC rise isn't shaking off XMR as it usually does to alts.

Anyone have a guess as to why?

Because:

1. XMR is not a BTC clone like most other shitcoins
2. Refer to number 1. Grin
hero member
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Keep what's important, and know who's your friend
December 16, 2016, 09:55:08 PM
I really want to give credit to Monero for holding it's value during this Bitcoin rise. $8.50 at the moment.
Looking at the USD charts, it has been pegged linearly since the reversal of the DNM selloff. The BTC rise isn't shaking off XMR as it usually does to alts.

Anyone have a guess as to why?

Honeypony don't care

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKurrJy6pQVq4qA/giphy.gif
member
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December 16, 2016, 08:42:04 PM
I really want to give credit to Monero for holding it's value during this Bitcoin rise. $8.50 at the moment.
Looking at the USD charts, it has been pegged linearly since the reversal of the DNM selloff. The BTC rise isn't shaking off XMR as it usually does to alts.

Anyone have a guess as to why?
hero member
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Merit: 509
December 16, 2016, 08:21:43 PM
@dEBRUYNE & @MoneroMooo

Cool... thanks for those.  Totally don't grok what any of that info's about, LOL but cool to play with anyway Cheesy

So, just as a test using the info on the slip of paper that Smoothie included with the coin, here's what I got:

Smoothie had the example "Base64" text to print in the circle on paper, to cut out and insert under the hologram sticker, like this...

iOLI
b6/Kukeg
h23tC8Prlo
9OC0GF8mgn
djeI9ike
dji=

...which I had to use a jeweler's loupe to actually READ, LOL... my eye's gettin' old, man... heh

Anyway, that's...

iOLIb6/Kukegh23tC8Prlo9OC0GF8mgndjeI9ikedji=

...which I then used http://kjur.github.io/jsjws/tool_b64udec.html online to convert to...

88e2c86fafcaba47a0876ded0bc3eb968f4e0b4185f26827763788f6291e7638

...which then using luigi1111's tool, above, yielded valid Monero Address...

49cfLx1LyTK6JgUYtqSZszckGP3S8nVYLAwU4dZJUc5ZRajBUT7tGfB41cBHMxJEwfcjFmLegFypy6Z U6wDNsJcDHNwJnh2

...and SEED WORDS...

sipped bugs needed biscuit feline neither dads sulking saga anchor safety geyser patio hounded peaches juvenile moisture radar oncoming agnostic yawning teeming budget gone radar

...which worked fine on MyMonero but (of course) didn't show any balance currently or transaction history.

So... bottom line?  Smoothie, if you're reading this and you remember what address that example text on your little instruction sheet came from, maybe confirm that it's all correct and I successfully reverted back here, from the shorter simple Base64 all the way to seed words?

Pretty cool, if so.  Good system Smiley

Just wanna practice this a couple more times before actually putting any XMR onto the coin, permanently.  

Just 'cuz after all, y'know, 5 XMR going to this little fun "throwaway" coin just to play with today, may be worth equivalent of $5,000,000 purchasing power for my future grandchildren some day, LOL

P.S. {Edit} Hmm... maybe spoke too soon?  Slight quirk apparently, I didn't look closely enough before, but just now I noticed that using those seed words to log in to MyMonero shows *different* address, in fact:

Account Address (Public)
49cfLx1LyTK6JgUYtqSZszckGP3S8nVYLAwU4dZJUc5ZRZ3acjTyx3rFjnZjptwjPDWEnMuQa2wW852 NUKSeQMWMRNMDHoy

View Key (Private)
528821c52c901556be9ac964a58c80c8196efa2c0f2acfaac6f28c4b19c41b0b

Spend Key (Private)
c166e75860a1833f1db1860470d54e588f4e0b4185f26827763788f6291e7608

IS this still "the same" however, so if XMR was sent to this it would still work...?  Or...?  Hmm...
legendary
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December 16, 2016, 04:41:35 PM
but first off, where do I find a particular Monero address hex "spend_key",

type this in monero-wallet-cli: spendkey

and secondly: what software or website is recommended to convert to base64 (and TEST conversion back too)?

Assuming some type of UNIX system:

$ echo -n 01234567890abcdef11111 | base64
MDEyMzQ1Njc4OTBhYmNkZWYxMTExMQ==
$ echo MDEyMzQ1Njc4OTBhYmNkZWYxMTExMQ== | base64 -d
01234567890abcdef11111
legendary
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Free spirit
December 16, 2016, 01:57:05 PM
Also received my amazing coin.

Total Hero!

Thanks,
Globb0

*edit* bitcoin turned up a little but we are still creeping up or at least holding come on Monerites everywhere!


legendary
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December 16, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
Guys, off-topic here but I'm finally getting around to actually putting 5 XMR on the very cool physical Monero coin that Smoothie gave out awhile back.

Instructions say to "convert hexadecimal spend_key to base64" to print on paper and then embed on-coin, under the hologram... but first off, where do I find a particular Monero address hex "spend_key", and secondly: what software or website is recommended to convert to base64 (and TEST conversion back too)?

I've googled around a bit but didn't find what's needed: I'm surely missing something simple 'cuz other people would've asked about this earlier LOL

TIA for any help Cheesy


You could use this site from luigi1111 (a Monero core-team member). Note that it's simply a port of:

https://github.com/luigi1111/xmr.llcoins.net

The .ZIP can be used offline if needed.

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