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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 949. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
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November 07, 2016, 11:52:51 PM
I can't find a good answer on how much RAM Zcash requires for its anonymous transactions. Do you happen to know? Also, how bad is it as far as CPU usage? I've seen claims that Zcash can't be used on mobile devices due to these requirements.

I'm not sure about the RAM requirements.

The last estimate I saw was taking about a minute of CPU time for transaction on a desktop. That probably varies depends on specs, but it will very likely be longer and certainly be a high battery drain on mobile.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
November 07, 2016, 10:56:01 PM
what kind of idiot would support a coin where founders get 20% of all supply lmao.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.0;topicseen
sr. member
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November 07, 2016, 10:39:42 PM
Lalalala 30% again. Time for new furniture.
legendary
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Monero Core Team
November 07, 2016, 10:34:37 PM
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I can't find a good answer on how much RAM Zcash requires for its anonymous transactions. Do you happen to know? Also, how bad is it as far as CPU usage? I've seen claims that Zcash can't be used on mobile devices due to these requirements.

According to the user guide 4 GB of Free RAM https://github.com/zcash/zcash/wiki/1.0-User-Guide. To allow for the OS and any other applications this means 6 GB RAM minimum 8 GB RAM or greater typical. So forget 32bit systems (desktop or mobile) including most phones, tablets etc. See also https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1112/monero-ram-requirements-compared-with-zcash and links therein.
legendary
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November 07, 2016, 09:58:18 PM
How does all of this impact Monero? Well ZCash has become a rather interesting and somewhat entertaining side show. It may have a small positive impact on Monero because of the launch fiasco.

Also the usability (RAM/CPU resources) comparison will be made, and Monero will come out ahead easily. As you say this is a medium term concern likely fixed by improved technology longer term, but for now it will be mild to moderate positive for Monero.
legendary
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November 07, 2016, 09:08:27 PM
Well I'm glad to see Monero up a bit.
Maybe people are starting to realize Zcash won't totally kill the market and that Monero is a solid technology?


Maybe it's painfully obvious that if you go back to the same levels BEFORE the pump even started -- 0.06/btc -- a price that was steady when there were NO DNM's using Monero.... it's probably a sign that XMR has been oversold and this is probably a good entry point.

RingCT and GUI is still yet to be released, as far as I know. There is plenty of room for growth from here. The market can still be irrational and re-visit 0.06 or even dip down to 0.04 as BTC keeps looking hella bullish. But for long term 0.06-0.08 is solid imo.

It also helps that Zcash is turning out to be a disaster... what kind of idiot would support a coin where founders get 20% of all supply lmao. RingCT essentially gives Monero the same features as Zcash

I think you are missing a zero just to the right of the decimal.

Monero opened this year @ 0.001142 so we are up ~715% since then vs btc and btc is up ~62% vs USD so......hold on I have to take off my shoes.

And no the pump started before 0.006, around 0.00420  Grin and there was obvious upwards pressure before the pump.


I can say what has happened but as far as what will happen I can say little except............overall up over the long term, unlike almost every coin.

sr. member
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November 07, 2016, 06:10:28 PM

ZCash has way more problems than the trusted setup, starting of course with the effective on, 10min blocks, 8 MB (2 MB over 2.5min blocks) blocksize limit.  Seriously after all the debate and lack of resolution in Bitcoin over this why this was not addressed in ZCash is beyond me. This "slow launch" over the first 20000 blocks has also set up early investors up to fail in a big way, with a fall of ~10^4 from its ATH at ~2.4 million USD. A further fall by a factor of 10^2 or 10^3 is actually not unreasonable for this ZCash bear market. Then we also have the further short / medium term irritant of the RAM requirements for sending the anonymous transactions.

How does all of this impact Monero? Well ZCash has become a rather interesting and somewhat entertaining side show. It may have a small positive impact on Monero because of the launch fiasco.

I can't find a good answer on how much RAM Zcash requires for its anonymous transactions. Do you happen to know? Also, how bad is it as far as CPU usage? I've seen claims that Zcash can't be used on mobile devices due to these requirements.
legendary
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Monero Core Team
November 07, 2016, 04:48:08 PM
Peter Todd 95% confident that he wasn't compromised during trusted setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Good enough, right?

ZCash has way more problems than the trusted setup, starting of course with the effective on, 10min blocks, 8 MB (2 MB over 2.5min blocks) blocksize limit.  Seriously after all the debate and lack of resolution in Bitcoin over this why this was not addressed in ZCash is beyond me. This "slow launch" over the first 20000 blocks has also set up early investors up to fail in a big way, with a fall of ~10^4 from its ATH at ~2.4 million USD. A further fall by a factor of 10^2 or 10^3 is actually not unreasonable for this ZCash bear market. Then we also have the further short / medium term irritant of the RAM requirements for sending the anonymous transactions.

How does all of this impact Monero? Well ZCash has become a rather interesting and somewhat entertaining side show. It may have a small positive impact on Monero because of the launch fiasco.
newbie
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November 07, 2016, 04:27:27 PM
Peter Todd 95% confident that he wasn't compromised during trusted setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Good enough, right?

The money grubbing in crypto space is really something. Rather than contribute to a fair coin like Monero, sure, fork an existing coin and pump that because you can perhaps make more money that way.

Welcome to the real world kid. This is how we all do business because when it comes down to it, it's all for one and me for myself.

yea, how long market will be - how long there will be speculation
sr. member
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November 07, 2016, 04:08:56 PM
It is amazing the difference a few letters at the end of a word make -

Trust + ed ≠ Trust + less

Any system that requires a 'trusted' setup will never be 'trustless'. Thus I would never use ZEC or any derivative thereof, as it is the antithesis of the very foundations and fundamentals of cryptocurrency.
legendary
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dafar consulting
November 07, 2016, 04:01:28 PM
Well I'm glad to see Monero up a bit.
Maybe people are starting to realize Zcash won't totally kill the market and that Monero is a solid technology?


Maybe it's painfully obvious that if you go back to the same levels BEFORE the pump even started -- 0.06/btc -- a price that was steady when there were NO DNM's using Monero.... it's probably a sign that XMR has been oversold and this is probably a good entry point.

RingCT and GUI is still yet to be released, as far as I know. There is plenty of room for growth from here. The market can still be irrational and re-visit 0.06 or even dip down to 0.04 as BTC keeps looking hella bullish. But for long term 0.06-0.08 is solid imo.

It also helps that Zcash is turning out to be a disaster... what kind of idiot would support a coin where founders get 20% of all supply lmao. RingCT essentially gives Monero the same features as Zcash
sr. member
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November 07, 2016, 03:46:08 PM
Well I'm glad to see Monero up a bit.
Maybe people are starting to realize Zcash won't totally kill the market and that Monero is a solid technology?
hero member
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November 07, 2016, 03:05:23 PM
Peter Todd 95% confident that he wasn't compromised during trusted setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Good enough, right?

The money grubbing in crypto space is really something. Rather than contribute to a fair coin like Monero, sure, fork an existing coin and pump that because you can perhaps make more money that way.

Welcome to the real world kid. This is how we all do business because when it comes down to it, it's all for one and me for myself.
legendary
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Merit: 1164
November 07, 2016, 03:04:18 PM
Peter Todd 95% confident that he wasn't compromised during trusted setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Good enough, right?

The money grubbing in crypto space is really something. Rather than contribute to a fair coin like Monero, sure, fork an existing coin and pump that because you can perhaps make more money that way.
sr. member
Activity: 248
Merit: 250
November 07, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
Peter Todd 95% confident that he wasn't compromised during trusted setup.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ZClassic/comments/5bbpmr/we_should_invite_petertodd_to_our_trusted_setup/

Good enough, right?
legendary
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Merit: 1164
November 07, 2016, 02:25:30 PM
want to know honest price spec for xmr in this week....anyone please. will xmr touch .015 soon?

It is almost impossible to know how the market will react. The price is dependent on news like today for example - a nice USD/XMR site which was redesigned to help who didn't want to go through usd/btc -> btc/xmr and some trezor interests.

If the official GUI or jaxx wallet releases it will most likely go up but the amount is unpredictable, especially in the cryptocurrency world.

Yeah I think Monero is more sensitive than bitcoin to news. And there is strong overhead resistance at .01. Lets see if price breaks through the resistance or just ping pongs in a trading range.
newbie
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November 07, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
want to know honest price spec for xmr in this week....anyone please. will xmr touch .015 soon?

It is almost impossible to know how the market will react. The price is dependent on news like today for example - a nice USD/XMR site which was redesigned to help people who didn't want to go through usd/btc -> btc/xmr and some trezor interests.

If the official GUI or jaxx wallet releases it will most likely go up but the amount is unpredictable, especially in the cryptocurrency world.
legendary
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November 07, 2016, 02:02:09 PM
want to know honest price spec for xmr in this week....anyone please. will xmr touch .015 soon?
sr. member
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November 07, 2016, 01:20:48 PM
Nice to see ZEC continue its plunge while XMR rises.

Schadenfreude is definitely one of the guilty pleasures of crypto investing!

Speaking of great foreign words like Schadenfreude, I recently learned this Finnish one:

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kalsarikännit

Drinking by yourself at your house in your underwear with no intention of going out

I hope the XMR / ZEC trends continue, so i can kalsarikännit and experience schadenfreude at the same time.
hero member
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November 07, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
Nice to see ZEC continue its plunge while XMR rises.
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