Topic: [XRP] Ripple Speculation - page 200. (Read 637275 times)

Hmmz, and you said I was living in some utopia  

First gold that was mined was also easy... doesn't really matter, gold still represents scarcity, it still represents all the work in all the ages that was put in mining it...
Anything that comes out of nothing at no cost is worth 'nothing'...

Anyway, agree to disagree, glad we can end this discussion in a more civilized way then it started...

best regards,

Awesome disussion here. I like it very much. Above all: The postings from obit33. I totally agree with that. But:
This thread here is about speculation.
Although I support the idea of a a decentralized, absolute private coin, I am making profit with XRP. And in my opinion, there is much more profit on the way.
Immoral?
Maybe. But on the other hand: An objective view. Sad but true.

There is nothing wrong with that, you can look and see my bank account, problem is not in that, why would I hide? Problem is in society, not in what I do with my bank account, if everyone has food, house, other things that help build family, why would I care about my bank account, why would I need one at all?


Take Bitcoin, 11 million of bitcoins were created by the end of 2011, just 3 years. Not a big effort. No-one cares in nowadays about rest of the coins, because most coins in concentrated in hands of exchanges and other guys like Winkelvoss brothers.

This is hard to call work, the rest is just illusion to produce fake value "We mine", common like.

I support many cryptocurrencies, and XRP is one among them...my support for XRP (or anyone elses) won't destroy
any other crypto...you're free to support whichever you like...if I won't like the way Ripple develops, I'll just remove
my support by selling...so I really don't see point in constant FUD in this thread...at least be creative and find
some new one, reading same biased FUD arguments over and over is really boring

Haha, no problem dude... by the way, who says it's my personal ideology... I kinda just like that particular quote of hers (and some others for that matter)... Doesn't mean I agree with her theories...

I respect your opinion. I think it will be a difficult fight indeed, but a society without privacy I think will be a totalitarian society... If you have some spare time I can advize you to read 1984 by Orwell, it was written in 1948 and paints a grim picture with some trends that are clearly visible now... and they're not the good ones...

Imagine living like this:

I think he asked you to sell XRP so someone else can enjoy it and so we can enjoy your lament and tears
soon

Surely I'm not saying bitcoin is perfect! But there are other decentralized and trustless cryptocurrencies solving this specific problem in some ways without me having to trust some central corporation... I found this quite a good read actually: https://tomluongo.me/2017/11/16/the-foundation-of-the-next-cryptocurrency-bull-market/

Not saying he's right, but interesting hypothesis nonetheless...

best regards

I don't know what you mean by that. Sorry.

Sorry, I dont mean to condemn your personal ideology and of course you're free to express your opinion. Its just that I have a negative visceral reaction to that name. IMO Rand was completely full of shit. her theory of objectivism is ridiculous. I also happen to prefer Tribalism as the tribe is humanity's natural social unit, just a product of evolution, and as for the obsession with privacy some have, while I sympathize, to me its kinda like standing in front of an avalanche and shouting "I defy this!". I think it is inevitable we are progressing toward less and less privacy. I'm not saying I agree with this, (there is no agreeing or disagreeing the avalanche exists) but how, given obvious technological and societal trends, can we avoid being swept away? and ultimately I do prefer transparency to secrecy.

Aren't your bitcoin miners middleman in this case, and more greedy than any bank? I mean, charging $50 for $1 transfer...really???

Your first 2 sentences are more of an opinion. You're right about the printing though, there's a limit on the number of ripples. I was more talking about the fact that they were just 'created' by 'a push on the button'... There wasn't any energyconsumption, no work, a rippletoken represents nothing...

So because there's a lack of privacy now, we should just give everything away according to you, we shouldn't care anymore... I'll ask my very simple question again then:


Would you please answer it now?

260 pages people were saying that they got robbed in fiat, in btc.

260 pages prove that this people were terribly wrong.

The one who bought 7 monts ago ATH did 10x profit

Now, do your own math

I have bought ripple at 2.6 euro's. So now I have quite a big loss since it's now at 1.9 euro's.

HODL or (panic) sell? I dont know anymore.

So far you did not answer my questions, you did not provide me any argument. Decentralization will not be born from thin air, even Ripple is not printed from thin air like many of like you spread. It has an circulation of 100B coins, 55B was put into escrow (useless step though, instead of "Ripple can dump" people like you started to say "Ripple can print", though Ripple did it just for community not that they needed that to do).

Once again, decentralization will not born, just because you strive, like you will not produce poo without consuming something, you can strive in toilet as much as you can, but first eat than do poo.

As of privacy, you lost it when you bought your first modem from Telco and started typing into thing called internet, its the same as to write on the wall in public place, or shout.

Yep can't argue with any of the above points. But banks are not going away and wallstreet still has it's hands in the crypto pie. And 70 percent of Bitcoin market is controlled by Chinese miners.

Thank you kindly for your great arguments... damn, this is one toxic thread...

just because you don't agree with someone's ideology doesn't mean that person can't say anyhting right, no?

Sorry, but FUCK Ayn Rand.

And Ayn Rand:
http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-civilization-is-the-progress-toward-a-society-of-privacy-the-savage-s-whole-existence-is-public-ayn-rand-150936.jpg

and maybe ask you to read the book 1984 by Orwell...

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I think there such thing as decentralization, even more, I think it is the future... Look at the internet, before year 2000, who could've imagined that information would be spread in such a decentralized way? Ok, it's not pure decentralisation, but it's much much better than the old where a few big companies could control the flow...
Maybe you can't see it in cryptocurrency and money, but I can, and if we keep striving for it, it might happen... Why would you call me blind? Maybe you're the one who can't/won't see? I didn't say ripple is worth nothing, I'm just saying it has nothing to offer besides just another controlsystem for the rich and powerful of this world. If ripple would become the mainstream, we would've just replaced one f-ed system that robs us for another...  

For your reasoning about why anyone would need privacy, I think I will just quote Snowden:


And Ayn Rand:


and maybe ask you to read the book 1984 by Orwell...

best regards,

edit: and just one simple question: You would be okay with it, that if you sent me money by bank, that I could see how much you have on your bank account, that I could see whom you transacted with in the past, for how much, how many times... yes?

But you emotionally attached to some utopia, don't you? There is no such thing as decentralization, there is always something that is centralized and controlled, and maintained and etc. in some cases it happens on same level (layer) sometimes on other layers (levels). Blind people like yourself, come with some random topic and start shouting "Banksters" "Coin worth nothing" "scam". People like you really know nothing about settelment, how it affects other people life, how much money and manpower wasted to support cross-border payments, not speaking about time.

Everyone who calls Ripple or XRP a scam or coin without use, are ignorant idiots that just copy/paste:
- 70k transactions a sec
- 60% savings

Above has to be embossed in their shill heads.

I do not support Fiat, I born and it is surrounds me, no one gave me other choice. Crypto is just digitization of money world.

But Ok, lets get to the point, why do you need privacy? What are you hiding? Why you want to hide? Do you really need to hide and lock yourself, or it is problem in surroundings?

Wow, dude, chill...

I like to discuss based on arguments... not on some baseless accusations... Please tell me where I told lies without insulting me...

Ok, you think it was shittalk, that's your opinion, no problem with that...

My alternative would be a trustless decentralized private coin without a mining-aristocracy that can't be created out of thin air at the whims of some company or central bank or whatever you want to call it...

The last thing you do is a total logical fallacy.

Because I would support a private currency (aka: if I transact with someone that person can't see what I have on my bank account or whom I transacted with in the past) I also support child rape and drugs? So, you're saying that privacy is something only criminals need/want? Is that correct: privacy is for criminals? Do you have curtains in your house? Do you protect your emailaccount with a password? Do you post publicly your banking statements?

Now, would you agree that because you're probably using some form of paper money (let's suppose dollars) and dollars are used for human trafficking, drugs and a whole other bunch of crimes much more than any private cryptocurrency, that you support all those things? Is that your reasoning?

Good luck anyway, and best regards.

edit: by the way, your reaction is totally over it... Make sure you're not emotionally attached to any investment you make... it's a recipe for disaster...