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November 11, 2018, 01:48:20 AM
Why is ripple promoting it's decentralisation if it isn't?

Centralisation is not all bad. To some extent it makes sense, and in the ripple case it's not a bad thing. I know it breaks one of the Satoshi's assumption (or result, however you put it) - the decentralisation. But so what. If it makes sense to use just some blockchain features and not 100% all of them... why not?
Because after the SJW (Social Justice Warriors), we now have uneducated DJW (Decentralisation Justice Warriors)!
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Exactly! I mean, if you're centralized at some point, just say so and no need to pretend and lie. Hell, I like some things centralized. Like I'm OK having someone manage my bank account, for some things. I'm also OK with this forum having mods and rules, cause it's going to hell if we arbitrate among ourselves etc.

But Like ETH, XRP is centralized to a new level and worse, claim they are decentralized. What for?

You are wrong. Please read this

https://ripple.com/insights/the-inherently-decentralized-nature-of-xrp-ledger/



If he didn't read any updated information so far i seriously doubt he will start doing that now. Just better to repeat what somebody else said years back and pretend to be right  Roll Eyes
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November 10, 2018, 11:14:36 AM
i bought some XRP at the end of January this year. its price is $3, at that time. now it's only 50 cents. maybe now is the right time to buy it. i think it's hard to get back to 3 dollars again, most recently.

it also was not easy in jan this year but xrp did it. there is gonna be a new price growth undoubtedly.
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November 10, 2018, 06:46:28 AM
Why is ripple promoting it's decentralisation if it isn't?

Centralisation is not all bad. To some extent it makes sense, and in the ripple case it's not a bad thing. I know it breaks one of the Satoshi's assumption (or result, however you put it) - the decentralisation. But so what. If it makes sense to use just some blockchain features and not 100% all of them... why not?
Because after the SJW (Social Justice Warriors), we now have uneducated DJW (Decentralisation Justice Warriors)!
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Exactly! I mean, if you're centralized at some point, just say so and no need to pretend and lie. Hell, I like some things centralized. Like I'm OK having someone manage my bank account, for some things. I'm also OK with this forum having mods and rules, cause it's going to hell if we arbitrate among ourselves etc.

But Like ETH, XRP is centralized to a new level and worse, claim they are decentralized. What for?

You are wrong. Please read this

https://ripple.com/insights/the-inherently-decentralized-nature-of-xrp-ledger/

The topic of decentralization in blockchain is wildly nuanced, misunderstood and, frankly, evolving.

Bitcoin and Ethereum are currently viewed as the gold standard for decentralization — meaning they are architected in a way that no single individual or minority group can dictate rules or rewrite transaction history (the power of blockchain!). Since these blockchains are considered decentralized, then by design, the XRP Ledger is also — if not more so — decentralized than both Bitcoin and Ethereum.

To really understand if a network is truly decentralized, it’s important to first understand the underlying design.

Proof-of-work (Bitcoin and Ethereum) and XRP Ledger Consensus
Bitcoin and Ethereum use proof-of-work algorithms. This system rewards individuals, known as “miners,” for validating transactions by paying a fee for their work. This was a great starting point for a decentralized system that incentivizes complete strangers to contribute to the greater good of a network and make forward progress. But as time has gone on, clear limitations have manifested. Blockchains that use proof-of-work can be subject to centralized control, where a few miners have significant control over the system.

The XRP Ledger uses a consensus protocol that relies on a majority of validators to record and verify transactions without incentivizing any one party (this is one of the main reasons why I began working on XRP Ledger more than six years ago). Validators are different from miners because they aren’t paid when they order and validate transactions. Today, these validators operate at locations across the globe and are run by a broad range of individuals, institutions, asset exchanges and more.

Put simply, the XRP Ledger is based on an inherently decentralized, democratic, consensus mechanism — which no one party can control.

Let’s go deeper and unpack the downstream effects the underlying protocols have on decentralization and the usefulness of the digital assets.

Transaction Costs
Inherently, miners for Bitcoin and Ethereum want the cost of transactions on the ledger to be high to increase the reward they receive. This behavior drives up the cost of each transaction, rendering the digital asset less attractive for real-world use cases like payments.

This was not so apparent in the early days of Bitcoin because transaction fees were dwarfed by the block reward. However, as the block reward drops, the interests of miners and other users will likely continue to diverge. Users cannot ignore the desires of miners because a blockchain based on proof-of-work that cannot incentivize enough mining cannot remain secure.

The XRP Ledger encourages the opposite behavior. Those using XRP and the XRP Ledger are able to make progress without mining, saving significant compute power and time. Also, a built-in system, called fee escalation, is part of its consensus protocol and helps to regulate fees overall. This means lower costs and faster transaction times for XRP compared to other digital assets — the attributes that make it the most useful asset for settlement.

Concentration of Control
With Bitcoin and Ethereum, a surprisingly small number of miners could collude to disrupt the system.

As of today, four mining groups currently control 58 percent of the Bitcoin network and three miners account for 57 percent of Ethereum’s daily capacity. Further, 80 percent of the mining on the Bitcoin blockchain is centralized in China, despite the country’s ban on digital assets. This puts it at greater risk of being manipulated by a single, sovereign government.

Some experts even suggest that in a worst case scenario, miners of Bitcoin and Ethereum blockchains could use this to their advantage — conspiring to rewrite history on the blockchain through a 51 percent attack that results in verified transactions being unvalidated and allows for fraud to occur.
In contrast, the XRP Ledger requires 80 percent of validators on the entire network, over a two-week period, to continuously support a change before it is applied. Of the approximately 150 validators today, Ripple runs only 10. Unlike Bitcoin and Ethereum — where one miner could have 51 percent of the hashing power — each Ripple validator only has one vote in support of an exchange or ordering a transaction.

Additionally, this two-week waiting period gives time for those that support a proposed change to update their software in accommodation of it. If 80 percent of users, the exchanges and other participants do not adopt a change that is proposed by their validators, the change does not go into effect.

While Bitcoin and Ethereum are becoming more centralized over time, the XRP Ledger is getting more decentralized.

Decentralized in Nature
Users on the XRP Ledger select a Unique Node List (UNL), a list of validators trusted by that user to order transactions. Users can select the specific validators for their own UNL or they can rely on recommended UNLs that have been compiled by other parties. The network has a number of recommended UNLs, including one list Ripple recommends, and users can choose whichever one they prefer or create their own.

The XRP Ledger is and always has been inherently decentralized because the users always retain the freedom to change their UNLs and the corresponding validators that they trust. For example, if a party controlling a large number of validators abused that power to propose changes that served only its own interests, users operating nodes could simply remove the party’s validators from their UNLs and rely on other validators that more closely represented their interests.

Every user is the ultimate authority of the code his or her server runs, and therefore, the rules under which it operates. If a server’s code does not support a particular set of rules, then that server can never operate under those rules. This means validators cannot conspire to enable a network rule change that does not have broad user support.

Nevertheless, to increase the resiliency and diversity of the network, more than half of the validators on Ripple’s recommended UNL are operated by people or groups external to the company, and Ripple continues to add even more independent validators to the list. This further demonstrates that Ripple’s validators do not wield meaningful power over the XRP Ledger.

In conclusion, the XRP Ledger is in many ways a more transactional, functional and decentralized ledger than either Bitcoin or Ethereum, which will only increase over time.
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November 10, 2018, 06:17:44 AM
HM seems to be getting worse by the view of xrp
https://bitverzo.com/forecast/xrp
I believe they're predicting based on technical factors, therefore their predictions are "lagging". The trend of the market is pointing down at the moment, so they "predict" a continuation of the downtrend, ignoring the fundamental factors.

If XRP goes to 3$, corrects with a fall to 2$, then goes to 5$ and corrects with a fall to 4$, they'll accept XRP is in an uptrend and they'll change their "predictions" to reflect that... when the price will have already gone 10 times up!
all that can happen.
see xrp is a coin that has a large enough interest.
they are also the owners of large assets, so they will be able to make xrp to 4 $ or even more.
I saved a few xrp in my wallet
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November 10, 2018, 04:03:54 AM
Why is ripple promoting it's decentralisation if it isn't?

Centralisation is not all bad. To some extent it makes sense, and in the ripple case it's not a bad thing. I know it breaks one of the Satoshi's assumption (or result, however you put it) - the decentralisation. But so what. If it makes sense to use just some blockchain features and not 100% all of them... why not?
Because after the SJW (Social Justice Warriors), we now have uneducated DJW (Decentralisation Justice Warriors)!
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Exactly! I mean, if you're centralized at some point, just say so and no need to pretend and lie. Hell, I like some things centralized. Like I'm OK having someone manage my bank account, for some things. I'm also OK with this forum having mods and rules, cause it's going to hell if we arbitrate among ourselves etc.

But Like ETH, XRP is centralized to a new level and worse, claim they are decentralized. What for?
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November 10, 2018, 03:52:00 AM
i bought some XRP at the end of January this year. its price is $3, at that time. now it's only 50 cents. maybe now is the right time to buy it. i think it's hard to get back to 3 dollars again, most recently.

You never know, if bitcoin start making the right move everything will follow.  Cool Without counting the fact xrp will need to be used widely.
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November 09, 2018, 06:03:37 AM
i bought some XRP at the end of January this year. its price is $3, at that time. now it's only 50 cents. maybe now is the right time to buy it. i think it's hard to get back to 3 dollars again, most recently.
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November 09, 2018, 05:31:44 AM
Their excellent ripple prices (XRP) are continuing to increase and I'm sure that will continue. happy those who invested in Ripple (XRP) a while ago.

Yup, sure. I invested in XRP when it was $3 each and CNBC Fast Money recommended me to do so....

...

I'm in damn profit. Roll Eyes


I see you did it the way /biz told you to.

Buy high, sell low

Maybe he invested in XRP by shorting it at 3$! Wink
I unsubscribed by every such media when the US stock market fell last month, they're talking about doom before prices go up and they're talking about bull-runs before the market fall. I generally do the opposite of what they suggest, but because I think they're talking randomly overall I decided to unsubscribe and ignore the media overall.

I'm 90% XRP will be higher than it is today in a year and much higher in two years, that's all I need to know to invest in it.
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November 09, 2018, 02:37:12 AM
Their excellent ripple prices (XRP) are continuing to increase and I'm sure that will continue. happy those who invested in Ripple (XRP) a while ago.

Yup, sure. I invested in XRP when it was $3 each and CNBC Fast Money recommended me to do so....

...

I'm in damn profit. Roll Eyes


I see you did it the way /biz told you to.

Buy high, sell low
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November 08, 2018, 04:54:40 PM
Their excellent ripple prices (XRP) are continuing to increase and I'm sure that will continue. happy those who invested in Ripple (XRP) a while ago.

Yup, sure. I invested in XRP when it was $3 each and CNBC Fast Money recommended me to do so....

...

I'm in damn profit. Roll Eyes
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November 08, 2018, 10:04:38 AM
What's caused the latest Ripple price surge? Was it the partnership rumor with SWIFT?

Check out this video by SkrillaKing to learn more: https://coincodex.tv/videos/308/a-look-into-the-latest-xrp-surge-eos-is-indeed-a-blockchain
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November 08, 2018, 09:12:36 AM
Their excellent ripple prices (XRP) are continuing to increase and I'm sure that will continue. happy those who invested in Ripple (XRP) a while ago.
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November 08, 2018, 07:45:16 AM
The Illusion of Tranquility

Blog Location:  https://xrpcommunity.blog/the-illusion-of-tranquility/

A frenzy of activity is happening in crypto despite appearances.

Ripple News:  Sagar Sarbhai writes a comparison of two different countries' approaches to crypto regulation; Marjan Delatinne plans on attending
the Blockchain Startups Summit in Frankfurt, Germany; Cory Johnson will be presenting at Techonomy in California; and SendFriend announces that they are
implemeting xRapid. 

Coil:  Kava Labs announces new ILP APIs for other crypto networks. 

XRP News:  An XRP fan teaches Alexa how to tip in XRP; Ellipal announces XRP support for its mobile hardware wallet; Coinfield, a Canadian exchange, adds XRP as a
base currency; a Mongolian exchange adds XRP support against the Mongolian Tughrik (MNT); and a new fan website debuts with some very original graphics. 

I hope you delve further than the TL:DR version above, and please enjoy the read! 

Thanks & Sincerely,
-Hodor

On Twitter:  https://twitter.com/Hodor/status/1060506516040699904
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November 07, 2018, 09:36:31 AM
Yesterday ripple is up, i been closely monitoring this project, and i think it is now the time to invest in this project, it sounds good to enter this time. But i hope it would go for 3 usd in the next coming year, so that it would be the best time for me to sell .
Yes, I agree, now is a good opportunity for us to invest in them, if we can accurately predict that we should buy them last month, it's great, because the price was only $ 0.2 and now Now they have raised $ 0.5
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November 07, 2018, 05:32:31 AM
Yesterday I heard XRP was accepted as a payment method in advacash. It is breakthrough!
ripple should show positive dynamics after this news.
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November 07, 2018, 04:44:29 AM
Yesterday ripple is up, i been closely monitoring this project, and i think it is now the time to invest in this project, it sounds good to enter this time. But i hope it would go for 3 usd in the next coming year, so that it would be the best time for me to sell .
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November 07, 2018, 04:27:43 AM
HM seems to be getting worse by the view of xrp
https://bitverzo.com/forecast/xrp
I believe they're predicting based on technical factors, therefore their predictions are "lagging". The trend of the market is pointing down at the moment, so they "predict" a continuation of the downtrend, ignoring the fundamental factors.

If XRP goes to 3$, corrects with a fall to 2$, then goes to 5$ and corrects with a fall to 4$, they'll accept XRP is in an uptrend and they'll change their "predictions" to reflect that... when the price will have already gone 10 times up!
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November 07, 2018, 04:13:28 AM
HM seems to be getting worse by the view of xrp
https://bitverzo.com/forecast/xrp
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November 07, 2018, 03:54:05 AM
Why is ripple promoting it's decentralisation if it isn't?

Centralisation is not all bad. To some extent it makes sense, and in the ripple case it's not a bad thing. I know it breaks one of the Satoshi's assumption (or result, however you put it) - the decentralisation. But so what. If it makes sense to use just some blockchain features and not 100% all of them... why not?
Because after the SJW (Social Justice Warriors), we now have uneducated DJW (Decentralisation Justice Warriors)!
 Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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November 07, 2018, 03:44:20 AM
Why is ripple promoting it's decentralisation if it isn't?

Centralisation is not all bad. To some extent it makes sense, and in the ripple case it's not a bad thing. I know it breaks one of the Satoshi's assumption (or result, however you put it) - the decentralisation. But so what. If it makes sense to use just some blockchain features and not 100% all of them... why not?
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