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Quote from: swogerino on March 14, 2017, 06:41:34 PM

It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.

Probably Edward Snowden or Julian Assange is having that information. Another set of Wikileaks dump, and you'll know how Obama spied on Trump and the other Republican politicians. But Snowden is going to bargain hard with Trump.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 14, 2017, 05:06:31 AM

I don't think Obama can order the FBI to wiretap on Trump. There are no source that alleges Obama personally order it and it would be illegal it is?
So for me this is not true. I think what Trump is accusing is that maybe the US government tried to monitor communication before Inauguration Day, But I guess Obama has nothing to do about it may FBI do it for political reasons, because Trump and Russia, a hostile foreign country, had something to do to sway the result of the Presidential Election. But for me Obama is not involved in this wire tapping.

Common sense. You get a cookie.

The Breitbart/Fox News/some blog with storm, eagle, or Patriot in the title crew doesn't get that this isn't a Presidential power. They also apparently don't get that the agency with this power, the FBI, was hostile to the Obama administration (this is Comey we are talking about). No way in a fresh hell that the same guy that basically fucked the election for Hillary, is gonna allow Obama to get dirt on Trump through illegal means. If there was any surveillance, which hell the fuck yes there was, it was with the wishes and blessings of a federal judge, the only body that can grant a warrant with this scope. That means there was smoke, if a warrant was granted against a possible presidential candidate. And we all know the saying about smoke.

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This is kind of looking bad for Trump.

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It will all be found out eventually. Even if it takes until the end of Trump's presidential term in office.
They will find out whether it was true or not.

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I don't think Obama can order the FBI to wiretap on Trump. There are no source that alleges Obama personally order it and it would be illegal it is?
So for me this is not true. I think what Trump is accusing is that maybe the US government tried to monitor communication before Inauguration Day, But I guess Obama has nothing to do about it may FBI do it for political reasons, because Trump and Russia, a hostile foreign country, had something to do to sway the result of the Presidential Election. But for me Obama is not involved in this wire tapping.

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Quote from: linenoise on March 13, 2017, 10:45:27 PM

The whitehouse now says that trump didn't mean actually wiretap. He meant Obama had gone overboard on his surveillance like the latest wikileaks shows. This was supposedly obvious because 2 out of the 4 tweets about wiretapping said "wire tapped" in quotes.

It's taken them over a week to figure this was the best spin

Spin or not, Trump's image will not take a hit because if this. There exists enough evidence to prove that Obama spied on his enemies as well as his allies. Even if evidence specific to his spying on Trump is not uncovered, the general public is going to take a favorable stance towards Trump.

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Quote from: gredisgold88 on March 13, 2017, 06:37:17 AM

politic AS very hard, like a clown trump politics, he only understands the business with a lot of money and beautiful women, only this time I see the president of the United States is very funny, or do small spark that lead to a world war - 3

It may be because you are delusional, how on earth he will be the reason for another world war,what has he done .He is speaking the truth as phone tapping is not a new thing and they have being doing so for a very long time and they are monitoring every major personalities and if that is said by the current president it does not mean that he is crazy,he is just speaking the truth and whether he will implement the same old methods is another thing.

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 06, 2017, 09:56:56 AM

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I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"... nobody expected Trump to win. Now we're in trouble."

op corrected

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The whitehouse now says that trump didn't mean actually wiretap. He meant Obama had gone overboard on his surveillance like the latest wikileaks shows. This was supposedly obvious because 2 out of the 4 tweets about wiretapping said "wire tapped" in quotes.

It's taken them over a week to figure this was the best spin

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We will all know by the end of today since they are were officially given a deadline for the end of day Monday their time to give the answer once and for all.
Their might just well be a press conference to announce this since it is a big event that can make or break Trump's credibility to be trusted as the new president of the most influential country in the whole world! Grin

And those denying that fact are just not able to comprehend how big today's judgement really is. Undecided

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If the NSA were able to tap the phone of a foreign leader like Angela Merkel, i have no reason to doubt that they did the same to Donald Trump. And what annoys me is that its Liberals that did that, Imagine the outburst if this was done by the Republicans to Democratic election candidate. Trump should try and get the evidence so that this may be proven.

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Quote from: PeterTheGrape on March 05, 2017, 07:00:49 AM

"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

I guess its high time the president starts doing the work why he is being elected and needs to focus on that alone. Little did he forget that the more he mentions Obama, the more popularity he is giving to him among other factors. If he has evidence, I guess there are ways to go about taming someone who does that and not via making social media and most importantly not the way he is going about it.

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Quote from: Neelyjzo on March 08, 2017, 02:32:54 AM

I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister of German.

Right now, this is the biggest evidence we have to support Trump's claim. It is well known that Obama had ordered to tap the phone of Angela Merkel. If he could do this to one of his biggest allies, then what prevents him from doing the same to Trump?

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I think he did tap trump's phone. It's simply his style, i mean he type lots of people's phone. including the Prime Minister of German.

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Quote from: gabmen on March 07, 2017, 06:49:17 AM

Quote from: PeterTheGrape on March 05, 2017, 07:00:49 AM

"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

LOL I think these statements by trump shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't see any reason why obama would wiretap his phones. If he had it should have been used against him during the campaign. Seriously about the monkeys and ebola? Hope trump gets his act together and i think his advisers should advise him to limit his use of twitter

If Trump himself wants to be perceived in earnest, and not as a comedian, he himself will cease to carry nonsense. He already like a clown and delirium do not want to listen to him. Therefore, the problem with Obama is simply conceived.

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Quote from: PeterTheGrape on March 05, 2017, 07:00:49 AM

"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — President Trump on Saturday accused former President Barack Obama of tapping his phones at Trump Tower the month before the election, leveling the explosive allegation without offering any evidence."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/us/politics/trump-obama-tap-phones.html?_r=0

Trump also posted, then quickly deleted, a tweet that said "CIA has been sending zombie monkeys to infect me with Ebola. Terrible."

He also was criticized today for asking the National Science Foundation to find out "Why the moon looks so small. If it really is bigger than a football field, how come it looks about the size of a basketball". He had authorized $29 million to answer that question but abruptly withdrew the request.

LOL I think these statements by trump shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't see any reason why obama would wiretap his phones. If he had it should have been used against him during the campaign. Seriously about the monkeys and ebola? Hope trump gets his act together and i think his advisers should advise him to limit his use of twitter

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Quote from: Spendulus on March 06, 2017, 09:56:56 AM

Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 08:38:56 AM

And to the topic:

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0

I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"Yeah, we tapped the phones. The Justice Dept and FBI were in on it. Maybe Obama had plausible deniability. Who knows, nobody expected Trump to win. Now we're in trouble."

Obama is very different warehouse people. It had all happened the other way around, and accused Obama of Trump, it would look more plausible.

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Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 08:38:56 AM

And to the topic:

Comey Asks Justice Dept. to Reject Trump’s Wiretapping Claim

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?_r=0

I believe the way to parse this garbage is NOT...

"Did Obama order the tapping (EG can you prove he did)?"

But...

"Yeah, we tapped the phones. The Justice Dept and FBI were in on it. Maybe Obama had plausible deniability. Who knows, nobody expected Trump to win. Now we're in trouble."

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Quote from: s0nix on March 06, 2017, 08:36:07 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on March 05, 2017, 09:55:25 AM

Honestly, I don't trust Trump.
He said, until now, so many lies, crazy and stupid things, that it's really hard to trust him on anything.
It's seems that if he don't see his name in the media for more than 24 hours, he becomes upset and trying to make another ''big'' news in order to remain the main news in the headlines.
It's funny and sad that an American president thinks only about himself and popularity rather than deal with serious policy.
It's to much already.
We need real president, not TV star.

I agree.
And I would like to know what the presidents of other countries really think about this Trump.
So far I can't imagine that these people hold him for a serious and reputable partner.

Unfortunately no one in the world refers to Trump seriously. It is for this reason not seeing him one of the world's greatest politicians. The only one who wants him to meet Putin, but Trump himself is afraid of this meeting. Trump stumped.

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