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Quote from: apederzoli on July 20, 2016, 02:48:42 PM

In that case, what does the best share means?
If all shares have the same probability of solving the block why is there a best one ?

Best shares is just to let you know how close you've ever come.
If the network diff is 100billion and your best share is 1 billion then you get to know you've managed to have 1 share that was 1% of the way to solving a block. Knowing best share is both a blessing and a curse. Tongue

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Quote from: apederzoli on July 20, 2016, 02:23:50 PM

When solo mining, if I want to spend some coin on a 5 ph rental, that would give me a probability of hitting a block in 48 hours correct? By sending around 213 b shares. in case that I "start from zero"

Every given hashrate has an on average range/time-frame to find a block. Luck (good or bad) determines if that average is based on 5 shares or 5 years of shares.

Solo becomes a gamble because all of the following equal 1 block every 48 hours* (on average):

mine for 48 hours and find just 1 block on hour 48
mine for 48 hours and find just 1 block on hour 1
mine for 48 days and find 24 blocks on day 48 (and 0 blocks any other day)
mine for 48 years and find a block every other hour during years 47 and 48 (and 0 blocks any other year)

*numbers likely off but true enough to make valid point

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Quote from: hodedowe on July 20, 2016, 02:36:26 PM

Quote from: apederzoli on July 20, 2016, 02:23:50 PM

Ok. So I have a question, thanks in advance for whoever replies and sorry in advance if it annoys anyone.
When solo mining, if I want to spend some coin on a 5 ph rental, that would give me a probability of hitting a block in 48 hours correct? By sending around 213 b shares. in case that I "start from zero"
If I have already mined for some time and have lets say submitted 100 b shares already and then do the rental are my chances better since I have already a submitted some shares or it doesn't make any difference?
Or if a connect a new miner will it skip all the shares that have already been submitted ( that we already know won't solve a block) or will it start over again and maybe submit shares that have already been submitted?
Hope I was clear enough!
Thanks

No, Apederzoli, it doesn't work like that. You can submit 293449829843499494488 billion shares and each one has just as much chance as the previous one of hitting a block. You could hit it on the first share. It doesn't matter.

Think of it as a scratch off lotto ticket. You can sit and scratch 100 tickets, but that doesn't make you any closer to hitting a winner. You could scratch one and win. That's why so many people still run 30mh USB miners. They have very little hash so shared mining is worthless to them, but they could hit that one "solo" ticket and win big. So they still try.

Several 5PH rentals have hit a block. Several more haven't. Your luck is just that, luck. You're only improving your chances by renting a bunch of hash at once.

Thanks for the reply.
In that case, what does the best share means?
If all shares have the same probability of solving the block why is there a best one ?

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Quote from: apederzoli on July 20, 2016, 02:23:50 PM

Ok. So I have a question, thanks in advance for whoever replies and sorry in advance if it annoys anyone.
When solo mining, if I want to spend some coin on a 5 ph rental, that would give me a probability of hitting a block in 48 hours correct? By sending around 213 b shares. in case that I "start from zero"
If I have already mined for some time and have lets say submitted 100 b shares already and then do the rental are my chances better since I have already a submitted some shares or it doesn't make any difference?
Or if a connect a new miner will it skip all the shares that have already been submitted ( that we already know won't solve a block) or will it start over again and maybe submit shares that have already been submitted?
Hope I was clear enough!
Thanks

No, Apederzoli, it doesn't work like that. You can submit 293449829843499494488 billion shares and each one has just as much chance as the previous one of hitting a block. You could hit it on the first share. It doesn't matter.

Think of it as a scratch off lotto ticket. You can sit and scratch 100 tickets, but that doesn't make you any closer to hitting a winner. You could scratch one and win. That's why so many people still run 30mh USB miners. They have very little hash so shared mining is worthless to them, but they could hit that one "solo" ticket and win big. So they still try.

Several 5PH rentals have hit a block. Several more haven't. Your luck is just that, luck. You're only improving your chances by renting a bunch of hash at once.

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Ok. So I have a question, thanks in advance for whoever replies and sorry in advance if it annoys anyone.
When solo mining, if I want to spend some coin on a 5 ph rental, that would give me a probability of hitting a block in 48 hours correct? By sending around 213 b shares. in case that I "start from zero"
If I have already mined for some time and have lets say submitted 100 b shares already and then do the rental are my chances better since I have already a submitted some shares or it doesn't make any difference?
Or if a connect a new miner will it skip all the shares that have already been submitted ( that we already know won't solve a block) or will it start over again and maybe submit shares that have already been submitted?
Hope I was clear enough!
Thanks

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@Mike, you've just went into the realm of plain stupid and the perverse irony how how wrong you now are isn't worth me even continuing (try some reading comprehension of your own and realize that I just followed what was posted here, there's zero "stalker" in that).

Good day to you, sir.

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You guys are silly, y'all sure read a lot into my post. Thanks for all the love, I had no idea I had so many followers.

Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 18, 2016, 08:32:42 PM

some bs

Stalker much? Work on your reading comprehension.

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 19, 2016, 10:49:07 PM

You are missing the fact that Mikestang is giving liveflipcoin crap for ding the exact same thing that Mikestang had done! One month after Mikestang joined, he asked a question that could have been answered using search (but used the "I've only been here a month" excuse for not searching). The topic is irrelevant when Mikestang's attitude is over the action of not using search (by someone that's only been here a month). <- See the douchey, dick irony?
While I think it's great that some folks will answer a question multiple times, giving no reply is far more productive than calling it a "dumb question" just because someone didn't search it.

If 4,000,000,000 ask the same question 4,000,000,000 separate times, it doesn't make it a "dumb question" just because it's been asked 4,000,000,000 separate times (it just makes it a massively annoying reiteration).

This. Mikestang has kind of become the resident grouch in the trash can. He didn't used to be this way, but lately he has little patience, quickly pouncing on newbies. We were all new once. Just answer the question or shake your head and move along.
Maybe offer them some flowers and welcome them to bitcoin...

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Quote from: CryptoBuddha on July 19, 2016, 10:47:50 AM

Man slow down calling someone's oppinion "being a dick"....

It's not his opinion, it's his attitude with someone doing the same kind of not reading the he, himself, had previously done.

You don't get to not read about Bitcoin, ask "dumb questions" (that can be found using search), and then talk smack about the next guy when he did not read about Bitcoin and asked "dumb questions" (that can be found using search). Well, you can do it, but not without being a dick.

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First, -ck patiently answered twice about...And Mikestang...

You are missing the fact that Mikestang is giving liveflipcoin crap for ding the exact same thing that Mikestang had done! One month after Mikestang joined, he asked a question that could have been answered using search (but used the "I've only been here a month" excuse for not searching). The topic is irrelevant when Mikestang's attitude is over the action of not using search (by someone that's only been here a month). <- See the douchey, dick irony?
While I think it's great that some folks will answer a question multiple times, giving no reply is far more productive than calling it a "dumb question" just because someone didn't search it.

If 4,000,000,000 ask the same question 4,000,000,000 separate times, it doesn't make it a "dumb question" just because it's been asked 4,000,000,000 separate times (it just makes it a massively annoying reiteration).

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Found some unspent balance in my NH account. Adding 1 Ph for a short while, trying my luck again, at least it's fun Grin

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Quote from: CryptoBuddha on July 19, 2016, 10:47:50 AM

Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 18, 2016, 09:59:00 PM

Quote from: aarons6 on July 18, 2016, 09:16:43 PM

i read his post.. he was asking if anyone knew what the best share EVER was and if it was somehow logged..

you see, a share can be MUCH higher then the network difficulty.. i know some were high enough to make a block for many years to come.

Mikestang is being a dick because liveflipcoin didn't search a question that liveflipcoin had; meanwhile, liveflipcoin is pointing out that Mikestang didn't search a question that Mikestang had.
What Mikestang didn't search and was asking holds less relevance than his pseudo-superiority over the next guy doing the exact same thing. It's kind of douchey to dump on the new guy for asking a question "especially in today's internet world" that holds at least a parallel to something you've done yourself in the last 11 months (especially given that Mikestang, himself, pleaded "so you can see how I missed it [having only joined the forum last month]").

Man slow down calling someone's oppinion "being a dick". First, -ck patiently answered twice about best share and best ever, though this info can be found elsewhere in the "mining basics" and not in the solo ckpool topic. And Mikestang gave in fact very useful advise:

Quote from: Mikestang on July 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

I wish people would read about bitcoin and mining before doing it

I'm also not in a way a guru in mining, but at least i always try to find the info i need using forum search and if i still can't find it then ask about it in a related thread. Why asking smth like "what is a pool" or "why it only accepts round shares and not square shares")))

Quote from: CryptoBuddha on July 13, 2016, 03:56:55 AM

Hi guys, my browser cannot access kano.is main page for last 3-4 minutes. Is it just me?

Coming from a guy who panicked and posted after 180 seconds that the kano.is main page wasn't working, but the main server was working fine the whole time....... gtfoh

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on July 18, 2016, 09:59:00 PM

Quote from: aarons6 on July 18, 2016, 09:16:43 PM

i read his post.. he was asking if anyone knew what the best share EVER was and if it was somehow logged..

you see, a share can be MUCH higher then the network difficulty.. i know some were high enough to make a block for many years to come.

Mikestang is being a dick because liveflipcoin didn't search a question that liveflipcoin had; meanwhile, liveflipcoin is pointing out that Mikestang didn't search a question that Mikestang had.
What Mikestang didn't search and was asking holds less relevance than his pseudo-superiority over the next guy doing the exact same thing. It's kind of douchey to dump on the new guy for asking a question "especially in today's internet world" that holds at least a parallel to something you've done yourself in the last 11 months (especially given that Mikestang, himself, pleaded "so you can see how I missed it [having only joined the forum last month]").

Man slow down calling someone's oppinion "being a dick". First, -ck patiently answered twice about best share and best ever, though this info can be found elsewhere in the "mining basics" and not in the solo ckpool topic. And Mikestang gave in fact very useful advise:

Quote from: Mikestang on July 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

I wish people would read about bitcoin and mining before doing it

I'm also not in a way a guru in mining, but at least i always try to find the info i need using forum search and if i still can't find it then ask about it in a related thread. Why asking smth like "what is a pool" or "why it only accepts round shares and not square shares")))

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Quote from: aarons6 on July 18, 2016, 09:16:43 PM

i read his post.. he was asking if anyone knew what the best share EVER was and if it was somehow logged..

you see, a share can be MUCH higher then the network difficulty.. i know some were high enough to make a block for many years to come.

Mikestang is being a dick because liveflipcoin didn't search a question that liveflipcoin had; meanwhile, liveflipcoin is pointing out that Mikestang didn't search a question that Mikestang had.
What Mikestang didn't search and was asking holds less relevance than his pseudo-superiority over the next guy doing the exact same thing. It's kind of douchey to dump on the new guy for asking a question "especially in today's internet world" that holds at least a parallel to something you've done yourself in the last 11 months (especially given that Mikestang, himself, pleaded "so you can see how I missed it [having only joined the forum last month]").

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Quote from: aarons6 on July 18, 2016, 09:16:43 PM

Quote from: liveflipcoin on July 18, 2016, 05:10:22 PM

Googled "bitcoin mining best share" and found one of your old threads started last year. You seriously started a thread with this question? It's amazing how people who are dumb talk crap just to make themselves happy... Let's compare bank accounts and see who the real dumb person is.

i read his post.. he was asking if anyone knew what the best share EVER was and if it was somehow logged..

you see, a share can be MUCH higher then the network difficulty.. i know some were high enough to make a block for many years to come.

It would of course be one of the blocks found, so if you check the most zeros on the 187 of them, that'd be the one

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Quote from: liveflipcoin on July 18, 2016, 05:10:22 PM

Googled "bitcoin mining best share" and found one of your old threads started last year. You seriously started a thread with this question? It's amazing how people who are dumb talk crap just to make themselves happy... Let's compare bank accounts and see who the real dumb person is.

i read his post.. he was asking if anyone knew what the best share EVER was and if it was somehow logged..

you see, a share can be MUCH higher then the network difficulty.. i know some were high enough to make a block for many years to come.

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Quote from: Mikestang on July 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

I wish people would read about bitcoin and mining before doing it and coming here to ask dumb questions. And yes, despite the saying, there are such things as dumb questions, especially in today's internet world. It's like getting a hit in baseball and then you stand there at the plate and ask everyone what you do next and what are the rules.

Quote from: Mikestang on April 09, 2015, 04:35:17 PM

...that post hadn't been posted to in 20 months, so you can see how I missed it (having only joined the forum last month).

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Quote from: Mikestang on July 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

I wish people would read about bitcoin and mining before doing it and coming here to ask dumb questions. And yes, despite the saying, there are such things as dumb questions, especially in today's internet world. It's like getting a hit in baseball and then you stand there at the plate and ask everyone what you do next and what are the rules.

FYI I am here to support this solo pool more than make profit. If you want to compare bank accounts with screenshots I'm more than happy to do so. Have a good life.

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Quote from: Mikestang on April 08, 2015, 01:30:47 AM

Is there a way to know what "the best share ever" is? When a block gets solved sometimes the hash provides a value that far exceeds the network difficulty. I wonder what the best share ever is so far? Pointless musing, but humor me.

Googled "bitcoin mining best share" and found one of your old threads started last year. You seriously started a thread with this question? It's amazing how people who are dumb talk crap just to make themselves happy... Let's compare bank accounts and see who the real dumb person is.

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I wish people would read about bitcoin and mining before doing it and coming here to ask dumb questions. And yes, despite the saying, there are such things as dumb questions, especially in today's internet world. It's like getting a hit in baseball and then you stand there at the plate and ask everyone what you do next and what are the rules.

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Quote from: liveflipcoin on July 18, 2016, 03:40:32 PM

Hi, just wondering how my bestever jumped from 2bill all the way up to 13 billion in about 6 hours @300th is that accurate? Current shares is 6 billion i think the rental went off for maybe one hour and came back on, best ever was at 2billion prior to that. Did it accidentally double after being down?

Once more: it's random. Shares don't "add up" to your best share.

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Hi, just wondering how my bestever jumped from 2bill all the way up to 13 billion in about 6 hours @300th is that accurate? Current shares is 6 billion i think the rental went off for maybe one hour and came back on, best ever was at 2billion prior to that. Did it accidentally double after being down?

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