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Topic: [∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining USA/DE 255 blocks solved! - page 302. (Read 1514786 times)
November 11, 2015, 04:09:07 PM
I'm having little play, with 130TH so far I have hit 756849921.60818958 fingers crossed
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November 11, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
On our server the block was solved at 14:00:48.479Z, only 39 milliseconds later than yours.
The actual solve bitcoind confirmation time on the pool was:
[2015-11-11 14:00:47.133]
What kano posted was when his pool saw the block which was before yours.
November 11, 2015, 03:34:31 PM
This guy breaks it down pretty well I think. He talks about orphans at about 35 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7998qfjgk
So, even though you found your block first the network does not propagate the fact that you found the block until the other mine is already working on validating theirs - this is the reason that they did not recognize your block first and why the blockchain has forks and orphans. Then, whichever side of the fork (your block or his) validates their own block and finds the next block ends up being on the right side of the train tracks. I think. Which is bullshit because you found your block first.
Is this way off?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7998qfjgk
So, even though you found your block first the network does not propagate the fact that you found the block until the other mine is already working on validating theirs - this is the reason that they did not recognize your block first and why the blockchain has forks and orphans. Then, whichever side of the fork (your block or his) validates their own block and finds the next block ends up being on the right side of the train tracks. I think. Which is bullshit because you found your block first.
Is this way off?
November 11, 2015, 03:32:25 PM
Yes that was the first orphan on this pool as kano said. I was saying a few blocks back that it was scary but it's also inevitable. This is one of the inevitable orphans due to the way bitcoin works - there is simply no way to relay blocks instantaneously everywhere in the world and avoid orphans 100%. The fact that it was actually solved by solo pool slightly earlier means it had nothing to do with slow block changes on our part. Even if we had a direct connection to f2pool, there is no way to transmit a block change from the usa to china in the milliseconds between the 2 pools solving blocks. It's also orphanged because f2pool choose theirs and then build on their own block and find the next one, forcing the issue.
November 11, 2015, 03:10:29 PM
If my block was clearly first, why did it get orphaned? just because they have a higher hashrate?
It was orphaned because the pool that decided which block would win was the same as the one that benefitted from winning.EDIT: I also suspect that if another pool (such as Eligius) had orphaned the F2Pool blocks that came after that in favor of your block that a subsequent F2Pool block would not have agreed and we would have had a deeper fork. I think the problem here is that everyone is relying on bitcoin-core to do the right thing when it is entirely possible that a modified version is not playing by the same rules.
November 11, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
If my block was clearly first, why did it get orphaned? just because they have a higher hashrate?
November 11, 2015, 02:49:49 PM
Well, that begs the question then, should a pool submit a block that it happens to solve between the time that it sees a new block solved by a different pool and before its workers are able to be updated with new work based on that new block? To intentionally create a fork just in case it sticks instead of the other one. How ethical is it to do so when, because of your hash rate, you have a high probability of being the pool that decides which branch to follow? How about a group of pools banding together to always support each other: In an orphan race I'll always favor blocks from a set of pools I like over a set of pools I don't like. Basically the 51% issue camouflaged to look like there are separate pools. Is it happening?
Stirring the pot.
Stirring the pot.
November 11, 2015, 01:55:35 PM
Yeah it was orphaned by f2pool.
F2pool's block was 5s later than the same height solo block.
But f2pool confirmed their own block and thus, since it is the next found block that decides the orphan, in this case f2 pushed out the earlier solo block and orphaned it.
At this point in time f2pool has 8 of the last 10 blocks ...
It's somewhat very similar to how a 51% attack works because f2 is so big.
51% means it's expected over time to keep winning races, but with a lower than 51%, but still high % of the network, you can do the same for a short period of time if luck is on your side.
F2pool's block was 5s later than the same height solo block.
Code:
[2015-11-11 14:00:48.440+00] 0000000000000000045792b02a12ecf0767d50d392471a3fded2371d56ab7b8a recv'd, size 998146 with 111285 bytes on the wire
[2015-11-11 14:00:53.293+00] 000000000000000008f0667bc0b60726ea2035d1bc6ab1910f81f2ed19d8741e recv'd, size 999907 with 954717 bytes on the wire
[2015-11-11 14:00:53.293+00] 000000000000000008f0667bc0b60726ea2035d1bc6ab1910f81f2ed19d8741e recv'd, size 999907 with 954717 bytes on the wire
But f2pool confirmed their own block and thus, since it is the next found block that decides the orphan, in this case f2 pushed out the earlier solo block and orphaned it.
At this point in time f2pool has 8 of the last 10 blocks ...
It's somewhat very similar to how a 51% attack works because f2 is so big.
51% means it's expected over time to keep winning races, but with a lower than 51%, but still high % of the network, you can do the same for a short period of time if luck is on your side.
On our server the block was solved at 14:00:48.479Z, only 39 milliseconds later than yours.
November 11, 2015, 01:54:39 PM
I have been trying hard for this one. When i saw that my stats had reset at ckpool, I thought, "no way, this is too good to be true", so I looked at blockchain, and sure enough, I did it!!
I went yelling through the house, waking everyone, "I just won $10,000"
and as i was trying to explain how I did this to my mom, I saw it had orphaned.
it was rental, I've spent about 5 btc over the past few days
I went yelling through the house, waking everyone, "I just won $10,000"
and as i was trying to explain how I did this to my mom, I saw it had orphaned.
it was rental, I've spent about 5 btc over the past few days
Okay This worked before so lets try it again.
In your honor of first orphan I will mine in your name for 1 day. If it hits we will split the block.
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje
Hope for history to repeat
Hi Philip,
ah Cool
i was a little bit lazy with decisions the last days... But this here looks fine! If it's OK i step in again?!
3 x SP 20 + 1 x S7 (the Hashrate varys a bit, so i would say approx 7 TH for 48 hours) Starting know 20:00h Berlin Time - Ending 13.11 20:00h Berlin Time.
If you are optimistic, so i would say let's hit another Block!
Best Wishes
November 11, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Orphan, that is very dissapointing(
Wish you luck for the next one.
Wish you luck for the next one.
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
November 11, 2015, 01:01:07 PM
I'm going to do the same thing - 1.2Ph.. maybe one of us will get lucky
"hashrate1m": "540T" and climbing
"hashrate1m": "540T" and climbing
lol, what have I started.
Mine should be running out any minute now. No lottery yet =( lol
And its officially over.
November 11, 2015, 12:59:00 PM
I'm going to do the same thing - 1.2Ph.. maybe one of us will get lucky
"hashrate1m": "540T" and climbing
"hashrate1m": "540T" and climbing
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
November 11, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
I have done a couple of 1pH of like 30 mins from nicehash I didn't hit as of yet, currently solo mining with 3 S3s. It will happen! 
yep, my s3 is dedicated to solo; even thought it would earn me ~ $1/day
{"hashrate1m": "1.49P", "hashrate5m": "1.32P", "hashrate1hr": "379T", "hashrate1d": "19.7T", "hashrate7d": "3.22T", "lastupdate": 1447263975, "workers": 12, "shares": 572211924, "bestshare": 4978424250.5065622}
first ever share over a billion. Feels good to see an insane hashrate for once. I probably wont do this much... ever.
Still; a far shot from the ~62.3B needed.....
November 11, 2015, 12:42:10 PM
I have done a couple of 1pH of like 30 mins from nicehash I didn't hit as of yet, currently solo mining with 3 S3s. It will happen!
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
November 11, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
nicehash. enter top hashrate desired; enter btc willing to spend... point at pool... buy.
In the next few min I should see over 1Ph at the posted address above.
**edit**
{"hashrate1m": "1.2P", "hashrate5m": "780T", "hashrate1hr": "212T", "hashrate1d": "11T", "hashrate7d": "1.96T", "lastupdate": 1447263435, "workers": 12, "shares": 394873976, "bestshare": 779718067.55643559}
In the next few min I should see over 1Ph at the posted address above.
**edit**
{"hashrate1m": "1.2P", "hashrate5m": "780T", "hashrate1hr": "212T", "hashrate1d": "11T", "hashrate7d": "1.96T", "lastupdate": 1447263435, "workers": 12, "shares": 394873976, "bestshare": 779718067.55643559}
November 11, 2015, 12:35:07 PM
am i correct in last night or yesterday that was the first orphaned ck solo block?
im going to put another .15 in nicehash for a second try... but I put a 500T top; so its about an hour of hashing time for .15
this was all btc from nowhere. nothing lost.
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1Q8HjG8wMa3hgmDFbFHC9cADPLpm1xKHQM
im going to put another .15 in nicehash for a second try... but I put a 500T top; so its about an hour of hashing time for .15
this was all btc from nowhere. nothing lost.
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1Q8HjG8wMa3hgmDFbFHC9cADPLpm1xKHQM
I mean, can you rent 500t for only .15???
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
My AR-15 ID's itself as a toaster. Want breakfast?
November 11, 2015, 12:12:51 PM
am i correct in last night or yesterday that was the first orphaned ck solo block?
im going to put another .15 in nicehash for a second try... but I put a 500T top; so its about an hour of hashing time for .15
this was all btc from nowhere. nothing lost.
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1Q8HjG8wMa3hgmDFbFHC9cADPLpm1xKHQM
im going to put another .15 in nicehash for a second try... but I put a 500T top; so its about an hour of hashing time for .15
this was all btc from nowhere. nothing lost.
http://solo.ckpool.org/users/1Q8HjG8wMa3hgmDFbFHC9cADPLpm1xKHQM
November 11, 2015, 11:50:30 AM
Thats how i hit 2 blocks and one orphan. 0.15 btc @ 300Th all three hit within the first 5 minutes
legendary
Activity: 1848
Merit: 1166
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November 11, 2015, 11:46:30 AM
im going to try a .15btc 500th rental today for poops and giggles =)
November 11, 2015, 11:03:12 AM
I've seen a lot of posts about rental hashing - and a few blocks solved... What's the secret? A dozen or so TH long term or 2PH for an hour?
-jh
Every gambler has a system. It's all about luck though. For someone who hits a block spending 0.20 on a rental there's someone who could spend 25, 50, or more and still not hit anything.
EDIT: And the people who spent that much gambling and losing aren't as likely to post telling you how bad a decision they made as those who won. I feel like this thread should have a "if you think you have a gambling problem.." tagline. Haha. But the sad thing is that I say this also for my own benefit...
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