[∞ YH] solo.ckpool.org 2% fee solo mining USA/DE 255 blocks solved! - page 85.

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Quote from: Gws24 on April 23, 2018, 10:53:23 AM

-ck, since 'the other guy' is blocking NH from his pool I assume that NH uses specific ip-addresses or something that identifies a NH rental? If so, could you then not also do an analysis of these rentals on the solo pool? I'm not saying that you should because the burden is with NH itself but I'm just wondering if it could it be done? (if you had the time and inclination to do so which I'm guessing you don't Grin

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To do a meaningful statistical analysis I'd need to get 10 x diff shares from NH. At this pool's hashrate that would take about 3 years, assuming all the hashrate came from NH, which it is not. Meaning even if I wanted to do such an analysis, I can't. Proving block withholding is actually very difficult and always has been.

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-ck, since 'the other guy' is blocking NH from his pool I assume that NH uses specific ip-addresses or something that identifies a NH rental? If so, could you then not also do an analysis of these rentals on the solo pool? I'm not saying that you should because the burden is with NH itself but I'm just wondering if it could it be done? (if you had the time and inclination to do so which I'm guessing you don't Grin

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Quote from: thedreamer on April 23, 2018, 08:04:45 AM

Ohh.. So it was not been proven yet that it actually can be done maliciously then??

Do you want me to prove it? Unfortunately I don't have hundreds of PH at my disposal to convince you but if you set up a low diff testnet pool I can mine at it for days without finding a block for you.

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Ohh.. So it was not been proven yet that it actually can be done maliciously then??

KANO has numerously referred to it from rentals like nicehash and westhash and is actively blocking them 'due to that reason'.
So there is really no merrit to that then?

Sorry for all the questions, but I just want to get educated on this issue as I do rent hashrate to pools every now and then and
nicehash is the easiest way to rent large PH++ .

I did notice that when a large rental form NH/WH is active to this pool, the share-rate barely increases vs a bunch of small single miner
rentals. the other week I hammered solo pool with 10ph for a while and it made little difference.
(Albeit it was rentals from MRR where a rig owner was just re-renting NH hashrate turns out). Angry

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Quote from: thedreamer on April 23, 2018, 07:31:03 AM

Quote from: -ck on April 23, 2018, 06:08:04 AM

Quote from: thedreamer on April 23, 2018, 05:30:30 AM

So how do miners then do block withholding?

That's something I'd rather not educate people on how to do.

I wasn't asking on instructions how to do it, but then how do we tell if a rental or anyone is doing it as I have read you write they are?

I mean , logically, if we don't know, how do we know it REALLY exists. It's the falling tree in the forest dilemma.

If by "exists" you're asking whether someone out there is intentionally or unwittingly block withholding, I cannot answer the question though there have been pools that have inexplicably bad luck from entities in the past that they then blacklisted which turned out to be faulty miner hardware/software designs allegedly rather than malice (as if they'd admit to that anyway).

As for a mechanism to do it intentionally, yes it "exists".

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Quote from: -ck on April 23, 2018, 06:08:04 AM

Quote from: thedreamer on April 23, 2018, 05:30:30 AM

So how do miners then do block withholding?

That's something I'd rather not educate people on how to do.

I wasn't asking on instructions how to do it, but then how do we tell if a rental or anyone is doing it as I have read you write they are?

I mean , logically, if we don't know, how do we know it REALLY exists. It's the falling tree in the forest dilemma.

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Ofcourse I can't say for sure if there are or aren't miners withholding blocks on nicehash but I've found multiple blocks using Nicehash on this pool so from my standpoint so far it's not a big problem (or I've been incredibly lucky). I do however think that Nicehash should be monitoring it as -ck says.

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Quote from: thedreamer on April 23, 2018, 05:30:30 AM

So how do miners then do block withholding?

That's something I'd rather not educate people on how to do.

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So how do miners then do block withholding?

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Quote from: wavelengthsf on April 22, 2018, 10:49:11 PM

Quote from: thedreamer on April 22, 2018, 11:02:33 AM

Also how can blockwithholding from rentals like nicehash be proven or tracked?

You can't prove or track it unless you can see the logs of (1) each share submitted by the miners, and then to (2) NH, and then to the solo pool.

Since 1 & 2 are opaque, you can't see what they say the share diff is.

The only ones that would have enough data to monitor for block withholding is nicehash and they'd have to keep track of every miner's share count and block finds and report the data - this is NOT a big task. As this should be nicehash's responsibility, especially considering the fee they charge, I think they're not providing an adequate service. No one has held them accountable for it and have been blindly buying hashes from them. The miners providing the hashrate stand to gain by block withholding as they get paid regardless of whether blocks are found or not, yet it is in their favour to keep bitcoin difficulty down. Buyer beware.

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Quote from: thedreamer on April 22, 2018, 11:02:33 AM

Also how can blockwithholding from rentals like nicehash be proven or tracked?

You can't prove or track it unless you can see the logs of (1) each share submitted by the miners, and then to (2) NH, and then to the solo pool.

Since 1 & 2 are opaque, you can't see what they say the share diff is.

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Quote from: MouseMiner on April 21, 2018, 04:09:45 PM

Someone just found a block. Wink

16GsNC3q6KgVXkUX7j7aPxSUdHrt1sN2yN
Keep it up... please write some words to keep everyone motivated.
Thanks

Is that a solo mining pool or something. Look at those earnings.

Also how can blockwithholding from rentals like nicehash be proven or tracked?

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Hello are GPU miners suitable for this pool?

GPU miners are not suitable for Bitcoin in any pool, because 2014 is over.

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Dangit, I was hoping it was my that hit. Cry

On another note, on the new block my highest share is 13374840390.69748, yet the bestshare on the pool stats screen is 3229902326.
With the previous block when my bestshare was high, it properly was shown on the solo pool stats as highest until someone took it.
This time it's quite off.

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Quote from: MouseMiner on April 21, 2018, 04:09:45 PM

please write some words to keep everyone motivated.
Thanks

The chances that you will die tomorrow are higher than that you will find a block tomorrow if you are a home miner.
Motivation is my second name)))

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 21, 2018, 05:17:45 PM

Quote from: -ck on April 21, 2018, 04:59:27 PM

Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 21, 2018, 04:58:49 PM

Dafuq is an "Eobot"? Undecided

It's a btc.com fuqup.

blockchain.info has the same tag Angry

So someone fuqed up the API they all use. Maybe they recognise eobot from the generation transaction address - perhaps eobot is mining on solo and there's conflict; there certainly is a lot of cash going into that address that solved it, some blocks that weren't found on this pool even.

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Quote from: -ck on April 21, 2018, 04:59:27 PM

Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 21, 2018, 04:58:49 PM

Dafuq is an "Eobot"? Undecided

It's a btc.com fuqup.

blockchain.info has the same tag Angry

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Quote from: ComputerGenie on April 21, 2018, 04:58:49 PM

Dafuq is an "Eobot"? Undecided

It's a btc.com fuqup.

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Code:

[2018-04-21 16:01:08.817] Possible block solve diff 14431499523259.867188 !
[2018-04-21 16:01:08.876] BLOCK ACCEPTED!
[2018-04-21 16:01:08.885] Solved and confirmed block 519311 by 16GsNC3q6KgVXkUX7j7aPxSUdHrt1sN2yN
[2018-04-21 16:01:08.885] User 16GsNC3q6KgVXkUX7j7aPxSUdHrt1sN2yN:{"hashrate1m": "1.38P", "hashrate5m": "1.31P", "hashrate1hr": "1.24P", "hashrate1d": "1.27P", "hashrate7d": "1.23P"}
[2018-04-21 16:01:08.885] Worker 16GsNC3q6KgVXkUX7j7aPxSUdHrt1sN2yN:{"hashrate1m": "1.38P", "hashrate5m": "1.31P", "hashrate1hr": "1.24P", "hashrate1d": "1.27P", "hashrate7d": "1.23P"}
[2018-04-21 16:01:08.886] Block solved after 1107906701788 shares at 28.9% diff

https://btc.com/0000000000000000001381004f0bf7b0578189d6853cd8af5098994095213e38

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