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Topic: YIFU IS AUCTIONNING? - page 14. (Read 22106 times)

legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1002
October 15, 2013, 12:06:55 PM

I did not try to snipe.  I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe.  I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis.  Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining.  I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.  

I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site.  I am sure that this was true of others as well.  Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over.  I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.

I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.



And Furthermore ...

Some of you may remember that I held an auction on the blockchain.  It was a multi winner auction, and it ended at a certain block number.  All bids included in or before that block were valid.  I have had an interest in auctions for a very long time.  It was trivial to increase a bid.  It was less trivial to see standings during the auction, but that is an opportunity for someone to develop software to interpret a known auction address on the blockchain.

What is missing from my auction, and from this auction, is a mechanism similar to eBay where a maximum bid can be entered and the little bump bids are made automatically.  That is also a feature that an auction companion could implement on the individual bitcoiner's machine.


In contrast to this auction, my auction results are still visible, as the bids and refunds are in the blockchain.  The entirety of "approvals" to move payments within the TradeHill system seems to be a pointless labor cost to me.  I need help to see the motivation or utility of it.
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1077
^ Will code for Bitcoins
October 15, 2013, 12:05:18 PM
Anything over 6-7kw is a lot for even a house.  I am not sure if your house will be able to handle 8600 watts in the circuits.

Confirmed, my 6kw heater needed special three-phase installation just for it self, with enhanced fuses on each phase. I suggest anyone ordered that amount of Avalons call's an electrician before plugging all that in the wall, otherwise some interesting side-effects may occur  Cheesy
full member
Activity: 129
Merit: 100
October 15, 2013, 12:03:24 PM
I did not try to snipe.  I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe.  I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis.  Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining.  I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.  

I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site.  I am sure that this was true of others as well.  Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over.  I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.

I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.

Yeah unfortunately you could not increase a bid. You had to cancel your existing bid and make a new one. What browser where you using because in Chrome the page dynamically updated for me (no need to refresh) which was nice. Right up to the end I saw the minimum price creeping up towards my bid amount and I believe it ended at 2.21BTC. Their site does leave much to be desired but I'd still give it a B+.

No transparency and losing bid bitcoins NOT returned.  F-
hero member
Activity: 491
Merit: 514
October 15, 2013, 12:00:14 PM
I did not try to snipe.  I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe.  I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis.  Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining.  I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.  

I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site.  I am sure that this was true of others as well.  Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over.  I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.

I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.

Yeah unfortunately you could not increase a bid. You had to cancel your existing bid and make a new one. What browser where you using because in Chrome the page dynamically updated for me (no need to refresh) which was nice. Right up to the end I saw the minimum price creeping up towards my bid amount and I believe it ended at 2.21BTC. Their site does leave much to be desired but I'd still give it a B+.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 15, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!

Long, long time ago I used 6000W electric heater to successfully heat 3-room apartment in continental climate. Good luck with cooling all that equipment.

Easy, crack a window Wink

You can vent the hot air back into your HVAC return register to brings some free warm air into the house. You can get a 300CFM inline 6" duct blower on eBay for less than $100. We used to do this to some of the network racks at my old job years ago. (small office)
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1002
October 15, 2013, 11:52:49 AM
I was outbit but I still haven't see the 2BTC's either return to my Tradehill account or to my wallet. Is there something that I am missing?
Their withdrawal page states:
Lagged out in the final minutes, couldn't even rebid. Very frustrating.
That's the risk you take when you try to snipe. Since I had a feeling their site wouldn't handle the last minute sniping I put up my max bid 30 minutes before end of auction to be safe and got 3 units for 2.29BTC ea. Curious if Yufi is happy with the results considering the previous minimum bid was 6BTC...

I did not try to snipe.  I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe.  I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis.  Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining.  I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.  

I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site.  I am sure that this was true of others as well.  Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over.  I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.

I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 15, 2013, 11:50:08 AM
That's the risk you take when you try to snipe. Since I had a feeling their site wouldn't handle the last minute sniping I put up my max bid 30 minutes before end of auction to be safe and got 3 units for 2.29BTC ea. Curious if Yufi is happy with the results considering the previous minimum bid was 6BTC...

Yep I called it right also.  Had a bid up since yesterday but at the last 7 minutes moved it up by .1 BTC per unit and that saved me!  I figured TradeHill would lag.  I had enough trouble trying to do bids when the site was "nomal" (IE vs Chrome showed very different data).

I am out a bunch of BTC from Batch 3.  This will hopefully make up for some of that.  I had tossed around the idea trying to get Yifu's attention for <3BTC minis previously as a compensation for B3 owners, well that wish came true in a round-about way!

Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!

Anything over 6-7kw is a lot for even a house.  I am not sure if your house will be able to handle 8600 watts in the circuits.  If you want to sell a few let me know Smiley.


On a side note..yeah it sucks i lost the auction by .01; but i still have btc to use toward cashout or re-investing.

Cheers to you gents who won. Smiley
hero member
Activity: 491
Merit: 514
October 15, 2013, 11:49:28 AM
Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!

Long, long time ago I used 6000W electric heater to successfully heat 3-room apartment in continental climate. Good luck with cooling all that equipment.

Easy, crack a window Wink
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1077
^ Will code for Bitcoins
October 15, 2013, 11:48:19 AM
Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!

Long, long time ago I used 6000W electric heater to successfully heat 3-room apartment in continental climate. Good luck with cooling all that equipment.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 15, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
and the question remains, do they come with a PSU?

Why would they not?  THEY BETTER ITS IN THE PICTURE and it was never mentioned as "not included" right?

I automatically assumed there was NO power supply, especially for 2BTC. I am happy getting a few for 2.3 and I have a box of PSU's left over from my GPU days Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
October 15, 2013, 11:41:08 AM
That's the risk you take when you try to snipe. Since I had a feeling their site wouldn't handle the last minute sniping I put up my max bid 30 minutes before end of auction to be safe and got 3 units for 2.29BTC ea. Curious if Yufi is happy with the results considering the previous minimum bid was 6BTC...

Yep I called it right also.  Had a bid up since yesterday but at the last 7 minutes moved it up by .1 BTC per unit and that saved me!  I figured TradeHill would lag.  I had enough trouble trying to do bids when the site was "nomal" (IE vs Chrome showed very different data).

I am out a bunch of BTC from Batch 3.  This will hopefully make up for some of that.  I had tossed around the idea trying to get Yifu's attention for <3BTC minis previously as a compensation for B3 owners, well that wish came true in a round-about way!

Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
October 15, 2013, 11:29:54 AM
He asked a specific question and didn't look for a lecture.  Whatever someone does with their money is their business, not yours.
You are absolutely right.  And if you reread my "lecture," and check my posting history, you'll see I have rarely, if ever, stated that anyone should not deal with anyone.  Pointing out evident corruption, or the probability of total loss, is different than falsely assuming the right to invoke en loco parentis.

On the other hand, the taste in my mouth that comes from a quite general willingness among bitcoin miners to deal with devils if they offer a possibility of hashing hardware is one of the reasons I'm still around here only to see the (hopefully) successful implementation of BFL's bare chips on DIY enablements.

Cheers.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 501
October 15, 2013, 11:29:09 AM
and the question remains, do they come with a PSU?

If you read the auction details you would know they come with PSU's. Smiley

hero member
Activity: 491
Merit: 514
October 15, 2013, 11:27:06 AM
I was outbit but I still haven't see the 2BTC's either return to my Tradehill account or to my wallet. Is there something that I am missing?
Their withdrawal page states:
Lagged out in the final minutes, couldn't even rebid. Very frustrating.
That's the risk you take when you try to snipe. Since I had a feeling their site wouldn't handle the last minute sniping I put up my max bid 30 minutes before end of auction to be safe and got 3 units for 2.29BTC ea. Curious if Yufi is happy with the results considering the previous minimum bid was 6BTC...
sr. member
Activity: 472
Merit: 250
October 15, 2013, 11:25:51 AM
and the question remains, do they come with a PSU?

Why would they not?  THEY BETTER ITS IN THE PICTURE and it was never mentioned as "not included" right?
legendary
Activity: 1775
Merit: 1032
Value will be measured in sats
October 15, 2013, 11:16:39 AM
and the question remains, do they come with a PSU?
hero member
Activity: 711
Merit: 532
October 15, 2013, 11:16:22 AM
Lagged out in the final minutes, couldn't even rebid. Very frustrating.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 501
October 15, 2013, 11:15:10 AM
I was outbit but I still haven't see the 2BTC's either return to my Tradehill account or to my wallet. Is there something that I am missing?
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
October 15, 2013, 11:11:14 AM
Auction OVER!

Tradehill lagged at the end.  Almost was unable to re-bid.  But got a few for cheap!


i bid 2.2btc per unit and lost by .01 btc.    the site lagged out.  if anyone wants to sell me one to five for cheap i'd be happy.  just pm me or post.

they are holding 22 of my btc still too.
legendary
Activity: 1246
Merit: 1002
October 15, 2013, 11:10:03 AM
Auction OVER!

Tradehill lagged at the end.  Almost was unable to re-bid.  But got a few for cheap!

I got outbid, and lagged out.
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