Your Thoughts on Future Investment After 21million Bitcoin Finish.

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Even if you hold for 20 years while accumulating during this frame (which would be around 3-4 natural cycles for BTC) - you would already be rich.
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Holding Bitcoin for even 5-10 years alone should be able to give someone a profit better than saving your money on a local bank account with their fucked up rate as interest. The longer someone can hold bitcoin to me is always based on how much the person has and how much they can live without the amount they invested in it.

What matters most right now is what we can get and the profit that can be made. Why are we still on this surface? The rest, after all the bitcoin has been mined, should be something the next generation will have to worry about if bitcoin still exists and something of interest by then.

We should be thinking ahead and do what is in our power to be on the bright side of history.
Then we won't mourn and think about what - could - be done.

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Your Thoughts on Future Investment After 21million Bitcoin Finish

Good day everyone,I always wanted to make thread on this (21million Bitcoin in existence)but don't know if it was discussed before,however it depends on how everyone might view it in different perspective,to me I understood that the 21Million seems to the total number of Bitcoin going to be in existence from my research,so I wandered how?....For instance if the investor's eventually purchase them all(if possible)and all the bitcoin miners have mined the 21M finish,does that mean bitcoin is going to be scarce ?
If yes then how would upcoming investment be able to purchase it because if after the existence of 21M,bitcoin may be difficult to purchase in the future and due to the scarcity of bitcoin from my logic there will be increas in demand and obviously the value of each bitcoin could rise seriously.
What's your thought about this and how would the investment decisions will be in future?

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Therefore, don't waste your time if you finally realized that there is not enough bitcoins for everyone. Otherwise, everything will be bought by Microstrategy.

Btw, the available number of bitcoins will ultimately be less than 21M, due to the irretrievably lost wallets. This is another reason for you to hurry.

But seriously, the difficulty of buying bitcoin will depend on the investor's willingness to sell. If the majority hold, this will raise the price to unimaginable heights and there will be no talk of using btc as a means of payment.

But in general, the BTC-market itself will regulate everything according to the market laws of supply and demand. It is impossible for everyone to keep investments forever, which means that some will need to sell bitcoin, and others - to buy. Otherwise, it will be a "dead" market. The only question left is the cost.

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If Bitcoin becomes more scarce in the future, it will cause the price to increase impulsively but that doesn't mean that new investors can not buy and own Bitcoin. The law of supply and demand did state that if supply is limited and deman increases, then price will increase. With today's market price, if any newbie wants to purchase 0.002 Bitcoin, they will spend $191.2 but if in the future when the price of Bitcoin have reached $500k, that same 0.002 fraction will become $1k and if any new investor can not afford it and therefore want to purchase $191.2 worth of Bitcoin, they will get 0.000383 Bitcoin.

So, as price increases, so shall quantity to be purchased by new investors will decrease.

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That's the reason why not everyone can be rich.

If you can buy bitcoin, get bitcoin, and can hold it, you can be rich.

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Only people who have money can buy Bitcoin, while most of people are struggling to meets end their needs.

It is like if we want to have money, we must get it from our parents, family or from working and salary. The same with Bitcoin, if we want to get bitcoin, we can use our money, sell our house, land, any asset and convert it to bitcoin by buying bitcoin, or we can work for salary that can be received directly in bitcoin or in fiat that will be used to purchase bitcoin.

Receiving bitcoin as salary is a way to get bitcoin, without buying it. Many companies with Bitcoin acceptance, don't purchase bitcoin, but they sell their products to customers, and receive payments directly in bitcoin.

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However, are we still survive in 2140? I really doubt it.

I don't care about it because I won't live long till 2140.

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Quote from: fikrett on Today at 07:55:49 AM

Even if you hold for 20 years while accumulating during this frame (which would be around 3-4 natural cycles for BTC) - you would already be rich.
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Holding Bitcoin for even 5-10 years alone should be able to give someone a profit better than saving your money on a local bank account with their fucked up rate as interest. The longer someone can hold bitcoin to me is always based on how much the person has and how much they can live without the amount they invested in it.

What matters most right now is what we can get and the profit that can be made. Why are we still on this surface? The rest, after all the bitcoin has been mined, should be something the next generation will have to worry about if bitcoin still exists and something of interest by then.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on Today at 03:02:19 AM

That's the reason why not everyone can be rich.

Only people who have money can buy Bitcoin, while most of people are struggling to meets end their needs.

So, if you have money you don't know you need to use for, just invest in Bitcoin and forget it, but once you check your investment in the next few years, you're already in profit.

However, are we still survive in 2140? I really doubt it.

Even if you hold for 20 years while accumulating during this frame (which would be around 3-4 natural cycles for BTC) - you would already be rich.
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@OP Why thought of a future investment when you can invest in Bitcoin right now? Let alone thinking of investment after Bitcoin is fully mined which is expected on the year 2140. I believe we are all goner by that time. So whatever our plan for the future investment when Bitcoin is fully mined cannot be executed by us. Let the next generation plan it for themselves and let's just enjoy the benefit Bitcoin currently offer.

Btw, Bitcoin is openly traded, so if you are concern that you can't buy Bitcoin by that time, then your concern is in vain because as I stated, we are all gonna be a gonner by that time. But sure the future generation can still buy it as long as Bitcoin is traded on the exchange.

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I don't understand the fear or concern.. I believe, it’s unrealistic to think that Bitcoin's price will increase simply because investors are holding onto it, nope.. the main driver of Bitcoin’s price is demand, and that demand comes primarily from people using Bitcoin in their daily lives, not just from big investors who buy and hold.

As long as exchanges maintain good liquidity, there won’t be any issues with daily transactions. Plus, investors aren’t naive; most of them are seasoned experts who understand how to balance supply and demand without undermining Bitcoin’s core purpose: decentralized transactions. The point is, more transactions lead to a more stable network, which ultimately drives greater adoption and long-term growth.

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It doesn't matter, since i doubt most of us remain alive for another 116 years. But assuming Bitcoin is still alive by then and use PoW, miner still receive income from TX fee where they must sell some of it to cover their operational cost. So there's always small amount of available supply.

right now the core-dev-politics are supressing and limiting the tx count of a block to average ~4000tx a block. we should have begun true scaling many years ago.. but lets assume they continue to be idiots for 100+ years and transactions are still averaging 4000tx a block in 2124
there will still be some mining reward where each block offers 9 sat mining reward and if tx was 1sat each, 4000sat tx fee total

however we should be at a higher tx count per block by 2124+ so there would be more sat on offer to fund mining from fee's
we should not fall for the core-dev-politics shady games of forcing people to pay more sat per fee(limiting txcount), we should have more tx per block to cover block total fee for miners..

If you're going to bring block size limit, we might as well as talk about default minrelayfee. While previous suggestion to reduce the default from 1 sat/vB into 0.1 sat/vB was rejected[1], there'll more pressure to reduce it if Bitcoin price keep increasing.

[1] https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14012

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Bitcoin can not be difficult to purchase. Even 1 sat is relevant. If bitcoin become scarce and its price increases, the quantity that individuals will purchase will be small because of the high price but everything will be normal as usual as they will still be able to purchase the right amount that they want to purchase.

Lots of people and now entities, governments following suit as well, are holding bitcoin but not all of these will be holding bitcoin all the time. Some individuals might want to sell for profit or maybe use it to purchase something. So, no need to worry about not being able to buy. However, it will be difficult only because the demand for each sat or bitcoin would be extremely high and you might need enough funds to do so.

It can be reduced as well if the concept of bitcoin being a currency instead of an asset to be held was strengthened. Lots of bitcoin enthusiasts are pushing for bitcoin to be a mainstream currency in many countries.

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It doesn't matter, since i doubt most of us remain alive for another 116 years. But assuming Bitcoin is still alive by then and use PoW, miner still receive income from TX fee where they must sell some of it to cover their operational cost. So there's always small amount of available supply.

right now the core-dev-politics are supressing and limiting the tx count of a block to average ~4000tx a block. we should have begun true scaling many years ago.. but lets assume they continue to be idiots for 100+ years and transactions are still averaging 4000tx a block in 2124
there will still be some mining reward where each block offers 9 sat mining reward and if tx was 1sat each, 4000sat tx fee total

however we should be at a higher tx count per block by 2124+ so there would be more sat on offer to fund mining from fee's
we should not fall for the core-dev-politics shady games of forcing people to pay more sat per fee(limiting txcount), we should have more tx per block to cover block total fee for miners..

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In as much as there is going to be some form of scarcity as the mining reward keeps reducing, I don't think it will be that bad to the extent that people won't be able to make purchase (though large purchase might not be possible). My reason for saying this is that, I believe no one will hold their Bitcoin forever. Whether now or later, people will definitely sell from their holdings, while others will buy. I believe the market will continue to go in this pattern (of buying and selling), but I've a serious doubt if buying large quantities that some companies do now, will be visible then.

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Once all bitcoins are mined, no new supply will enter the market and availability will depend on people trading existing bitcoin. This scarcity could increase demand and pushes prices higher but it might also make bitcoin less practical for smaller transactions if prices become too high.

for all bitcoin to be completely mined to anywhere close to the 21 bitcoin that is in circulation, it means that all bitcoin holders won't be ready to trade bitcoin at all but will prefer to hold and leave bitcoin in their storage. the possibility of that happening is to me very slim because bitcoin will continue to circulate every day and the more people are ready to buy bitcoin, the more others will be willing to sell their bitcoin also which will keep the flow of bitcoin in circulation never ending.

before the 21 million bitcoins will be exhausted, some of the current holders will want to sell a portion to others who might be making use of it for daily trading purposes. bitcoin traders are always in the market and will continue to be ready for trading of bitcoin any day and anytime regardless of how scarce bitcoin becomes in the future due to basically an increase in it price. bitcoin is still in use as a payment option in different platforms and that in itself is going to keep bitcoin flowing across old and new users of bitcoin till the future that is coming.

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It doesn't matter, since i doubt most of us remain alive for another 116 years. But assuming Bitcoin is still alive by then and use PoW, miner still receive income from TX fee where they must sell some of it to cover their operational cost. So there's always small amount of available supply.

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Bitcoin will be scarce and not many people can buy Bitcoin even for a small portion. Investors from this era already collect many Bitcoin and gives Bitcoin to their children as legacy so they can use it for their lives. The investment decision will be for my children because I am not sure if I can still alive for a long time. Besides that, I want to give Bitcoin to my children as legacy too so that will help them survive if Bitcoin price becomes high. What I can do now is just prepare my family's future especially for my children who will continue my journey if they have interest.

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bitcoin (the network) has never been measured at the blockchain data level in whole btc.. the blockchain data is measured in satoshis
bitcoin wont reach the 20999999997690000 sats in circulation limit for another ~120 years

in 2010 people were trading for things like 2xpizza for 1000000000000sats
in 2144 people would trade for things like 2 pizza for 2000sats at most

people will not be trying to accumulate whole btc, much like people today dont try to accumulate whole 1tonne gold bricks
people will try to accumulate 'bits' (100sats) mbit(10,000sat), much like people try to accumulate grams and ounces of gold

but here is the thing
its not our concern.. none of us would be alive in 120+ years. so its a economic concern and decision for our offspring and descendants to decide on naming smaller lumps of sats

much like during the gold craze of the middle ages where 'bullion', 'ingots' were being circulated, it wasnt them but their descendants thats decided on the gram/ounce measures (instead of grain/pounds)

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You and I will be dead by the time the Bitcoin supply is totally mined. So it's not something you need to worry about right now.

Quote from: bitLeap on Today at 03:49:17 AM

Bitcoin will not be difficult to buy in the future, but if you target the amount of 1 bitcoin it will definitely be difficult. Even 10 sat could be worth a lot in the future. An answer that will be difficult to ascertain, because it takes a long time to spend 21 million bitcoins and we may not even be around to witness it. I don't really think that far, as long as the market provides bitcoin to buy then the only choice is to buy any amount even if it can only afford $10.

Maybe 1 bitcoin will be worth a billion dollars by then, if it gets that scarce. It is definitely not going to stay at 1 million dollars like some other people here are saying. Of course, we haven't even realized a 1 million dollars price yet but there's over a century left until this happens.

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What's your thought about this and how would the investment decisions will be in future?

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The price of Bitcoin might go high depending on its demand since the supply will end after all has been mined. But the good news is that Bitcoin can be bought in bits, so it will still be available to buy some. Just like other scarce commodities people will still want to sell their Bitcoin at a given period so there will always be market liquidity. That is why we are encouraged to have a long term plan for our Bitcoin hodling because the time will come when common men will find it difficult to hold a significant amount. Don't always rush to sell all your hodling if you don't necessarily have need for the money, always plan for the future.

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If yes then how would upcoming investment be able to purchase it because if after the existence of 21M,bitcoin may be difficult to purchase in the future and due to the scarcity of bitcoin from my logic there will be increas in demand and obviously the value of each bitcoin could rise seriously.
What's your thought about this and how would the investment decisions will be in future?

Thank you'll for your helpful contributions

Bitcoin will not be difficult to buy in the future, but if you target the amount of 1 bitcoin it will definitely be difficult. Even 10 sat could be worth a lot in the future. An answer that will be difficult to ascertain, because it takes a long time to spend 21 million bitcoins and we may not even be around to witness it. I don't really think that far, as long as the market provides bitcoin to buy then the only choice is to buy any amount even if it can only afford $10.

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Once all bitcoins are mined, no new supply will enter the market and availability will depend on people trading existing bitcoin. This scarcity could increase demand and pushes prices higher but it might also make bitcoin less practical for smaller transactions if prices become too high.

You can check this article: https://www.ccn.com/education/what-happens-to-bitcoin-after-all-21-million-are-mined/#:~:text=By%202140%2C%20all%2021%20million,rely%20solely%20on%20transaction%20fees.

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