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October 09, 2012, 07:45:02 AM
#69
Yep, the guy is a fraud. Go figure.
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October 09, 2012, 07:40:09 AM
#68
I just sent a letter to Dr. Newton's publisher about his degree.
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October 09, 2012, 02:38:18 AM
#67
Hypnosis is quackery, thread topic is mental masturbating horseshit.

Yep.  A quick search of PsycINFO and PubMed show exactly zero peer-reviewed articles by Mr. Newton (not even any sleazy pay-for-publish journal articles).  Mr. Newton's biography doesn't state where he earned his doctorate meaning at best it's probably from an unaccredited school; at worst, it's from a diploma mill.  He's essentially peddling pseudo-science to people dumb enough to buy into it (e.g. libertarian teens).  What a fucking pile of shit person. 
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October 09, 2012, 02:04:30 AM
#66
Hypnosis is quackery, thread topic is mental masturbating horseshit.
legendary
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You cannot kill love
October 09, 2012, 01:24:27 AM
#65
Just think about it, those are words of our conscious.  All true statements once originated from the conscious.
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October 09, 2012, 01:16:22 AM
#64
Well, there's you as an ego, the worldly part of the soul, and there's you as consciousness, your spirit.  You always have your spirit, but your ego is temporary, for this life.  Your ego is limited to experiences it's dealt with, while our conscious is connected and contains the experiences of anyone and everyone that's ever lived.[citation needed]
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October 09, 2012, 01:14:42 AM
#63
Well, there's you as an ego, the worldly part of the soul, and there's you as consciousness, your spirit.  You always have your spirit, but your ego is temporary, for this life.  Your ego is limited to experiences it's dealt with, while our conscious is connected and contains the experiences of anyone and everyone that's ever lived.
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October 03, 2012, 10:52:20 AM
#62
Just sit quietly and try to imagine a different past for yourself, imagine you made some important decision in the past in a different way. Your experience of life and your memory of it to this point would be different, but you would still be *you* and you know that. It's empiric, it's part of observable Universe and any theory, simple or otherwise, would need to cope with that at some point.

Does it matter that any different past that I am able to imagine is still based ONLY on my collective experiences? I can imagine different paths that my life could have taken, but the results are still entirely limited by my imagination based on what I have seen and known. It is limited only to what I can describe using words from languages I speak, limited only to places I have seen (either in real life or in pictures/videos), and although I can choose to suspend logic, it's generally only following a sequence of possible events that I would expect it to follow based on my experience of how things follow one another.
In short, for me, there is no *you* that is any more than simply the sum of my life experiences. I also know that if I get a traumatic injury to the brain or a disease like Alzheimer's, I will be a completely different *you*, whereas your theory would suggest that the *you* will remain, because it transcends the physical body.
Can you explain why people with head injuries change personalities and become different *you* people? Or explain what the difference is between you, the brain physically wired to receive experiences and shape who you are, and the *you* that you are talking about? Because besides me having a brain with a differing collection of experiences, I don't get it, and don't see that difference as any more magical than, say, two different rivers that have different shapes and paths.
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October 03, 2012, 09:29:00 AM
#61
This guy has some interesting things to say about consciousness. He is interested in just what it is, and where in the body it happens.(or outside?). You were likely told that it is happens in your connected neurons. But consider an amoeba. It is only one cell, yet it hunts, avoids discomfort, thinks. But where?  His research hints at a quantum effect underlying consciousness and perhaps even life itself. 

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/

Amoebas think? I figured they  just reacted to chemical stimuli depending on whether that stimulation suggests food (compatible with absorption) or danger (can cause bad internal reactions), based only on how its genetic code tells it to interpret that stimulation. What happens if you stab an amoeba with a tiny needle, or show it a piece of art? Will it react?
But then I'm not a cellular biologist, so what do I know.
I'm not a cellular biologist either, I am an evolutionary biologist. And I don't know if Hammeroff and Penrose are on the right track. But I do know that what consciousness and life are is not understood in science. That's what makes it so attractive to study. No one knows yet. 
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October 03, 2012, 06:35:59 AM
#60
What I was getting at in my previous posts is that the real "you" exists outside of physical reality.  It is very incoherent to assume that very uniform process of biological development would produce this singularity.
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Let me ask you the exact same question, but with a slight difference.
You have a computer. It has a bunch of programs you installed, a bunch of files you created or downloaded, and all the settings are set up to be the way you want them to be. That is *your* computer, among the entire universe of *not your* computers.

Let's look at the moment in time 2 hours before you booted your computer for the very first time.
At this point the Universe has only been producing *not-your* computers and the Earth is populated completely by *not-your* computers. Now what is it in the physical/biological process that warrants that in 2 hours *your* computer will be booted and running for the first time? Why doesn't the Universe just continue producing *not-your* computers as it always has done. Can you imagine the computer you call yours will be born in 2 hours and it will be just another *not-your* computer with its own software and personalized settings?

^^^ That is how I read your question. And the answer is, it actually is the body, and my experiences through, it that make me *me*. Nothing more. Moreover, the *you* and *not you* property isn't all that drastic or binary. My arm is me. If it gets severed, it is no longer me. For disabled people, their wheelchairs and prosthetics are very much a part of *them*. If I have a cancerous growth, it's *me* but not really, because I don't want it to be me, and it's genetic code isn't exactly me. The only *you* that matters is the physical brain, just as the only *your computer* that matters is the physical location of 0s and 1s that store your files and settings and make your computer yours.


The stuff you're talking about is secondary. You can only call something *yours* (your computer, your arm, your body, your brain) when you have *you* in the first place.

You argue that a particular experience is what makes you *you*, but the truth is *you* is the one who receives the experience, who lives through it. The real *you* is a thing in itself, all the stuff that you are trying to attach to it is just that - an attachment. This includes your body, your memory, your experience, even your complete personality.

Just sit quietly and try to imagine a different past for yourself, imagine you made some important decision in the past in a different way. Your experience of life and your memory of it to this point would be different, but you would still be *you* and you know that. It's empiric, it's part of observable Universe and any theory, simple or otherwise, would need to cope with that at some point.

I've given away all the keys now, it's up to a curious and persisting mind to play with them and see which one opens the door.
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October 03, 2012, 05:37:37 AM
#59
My body is not necessarily "mine". I don't own it. I guess you could consider it a loaner to get a specific experience in this particular lifetime.

This is a dangerous supposition. If you do not own your body, who does? What of the actions your body takes? Do you own them? Or is the mysterious owner of your body ultimately responsible for them? Can you be "evicted"? Who has the power to do that? It's a slippery slope you tread upon when you renounce ownership of your corpus.
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October 02, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
#58
I'm sorry, I have friends which also believe this kind of stuff, and as friends I like them, but believing that your true purpose in life exist after some dimensional ascension, just makes you not responsible for others suffering or the world around you in general. Further how is it necessary to engage in meaningful relations with others if you only care about your own race to the singularity?

If you can call this kind of spirituality a religion, it's a selfish one in my opinion.

You spoke so wisely prior on value yet then you dismiss something based of its 'selfishness'? How can anything of extrinsic value, that is to say the only value in which we are capable of comprehending, be anything but a 'selfish' value?
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October 02, 2012, 09:50:27 PM
#57
Everything has a purpose.

I think that pretty much sums up my Ego Death experience. Everyone makes the right decisions at the time they made them.
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October 02, 2012, 09:47:14 PM
#56
It's fun to speculate that there's more to life than being meat that's the product of random genetic mutations.

It's far more "fun" to experience it.

Yeah, but I find everytime I begin to doubt what I've been experiencing, I get more confirmations that there's some weird shit going on. I like trolling my subconscious.
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October 02, 2012, 09:25:49 PM
#55
This has been confirmed in Dr. Newtons hypnotheraphy sessions. Apparently when we are spirits outside material dimensions, we can create and control life through a quantum effect.

I don't think this word means what they think it means. Using fancy scientific words that people generally don't understand is one of the big signs that it's bs. Used to be magnetic, or electric, or nuclear effects.
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October 02, 2012, 06:13:33 PM
#54
This guy has some interesting things to say about consciousness. He is interested in just what it is, and where in the body it happens.(or outside?). You were likely told that it is happens in your connected neurons. But consider an amoeba. It is only one cell, yet it hunts, avoids discomfort, thinks. But where?  His research hints at a quantum effect underlying consciousness and perhaps even life itself. 

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/

This has been confirmed in Dr. Newtons hypnotheraphy sessions. Apparently when we are spirits outside material dimensions, we can create and control life through a quantum effect.

There is an energy that guides all life, if you will. Some subjects describe the science in detail.
legendary
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October 02, 2012, 03:45:35 PM
#53
This guy has some interesting things to say about consciousness. He is interested in just what it is, and where in the body it happens.(or outside?). You were likely told that it is happens in your connected neurons. But consider an amoeba. It is only one cell, yet it hunts, avoids discomfort, thinks. But where?  His research hints at a quantum effect underlying consciousness and perhaps even life itself. 

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/

Amoebas think? I figured they  just reacted to chemical stimuli depending on whether that stimulation suggests food (compatible with absorption) or danger (can cause bad internal reactions), based only on how its genetic code tells it to interpret that stimulation. What happens if you stab an amoeba with a tiny needle, or show it a piece of art? Will it react?
But then I'm not a cellular biologist, so what do I know.
legendary
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October 02, 2012, 03:21:11 PM
#52
This guy has some interesting things to say about consciousness. He is interested in just what it is, and where in the body it happens.(or outside?). You were likely told that it is happens in your connected neurons. But consider an amoeba. It is only one cell, yet it hunts, avoids discomfort, thinks. But where?  His research hints at a quantum effect underlying consciousness and perhaps even life itself. 

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/
legendary
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October 02, 2012, 01:32:27 PM
#51
What I was getting at in my previous posts is that the real "you" exists outside of physical reality.  It is very incoherent to assume that very uniform process of biological development would produce this singularity.

I'll take one more shot at it from a bit different angle:
Let's look at the moment in time 2 hours before your birth.
At this point the Universe has only been producing *not-yous* and the Earth is populated completely by *not-yous*. Now what is it in the physical/biological process that warrants that in 2 hours *you* will be produced for the first time? Why doesn't the Universe just continue producing *not-yous* as it always has done. Can you imagine the body you call yours will be born in 2 hours and it will be just another *not-you* with its own consciousness and life path.

So it's not the body that makes you *you*, it's something completely different and it doesn't need to survive the death because it existed before you were born. Does this makes sense?

Let me ask you the exact same question, but with a slight difference.
You have a computer. It has a bunch of programs you installed, a bunch of files you created or downloaded, and all the settings are set up to be the way you want them to be. That is *your* computer, among the entire universe of *not your* computers.

Let's look at the moment in time 2 hours before you booted your computer for the very first time.
At this point the Universe has only been producing *not-your* computers and the Earth is populated completely by *not-your* computers. Now what is it in the physical/biological process that warrants that in 2 hours *your* computer will be booted and running for the first time? Why doesn't the Universe just continue producing *not-your* computers as it always has done. Can you imagine the computer you call yours will be born in 2 hours and it will be just another *not-your* computer with its own software and personalized settings?

^^^ That is how I read your question. And the answer is, it actually is the body, and my experiences through, it that make me *me*. Nothing more. Moreover, the *you* and *not you* property isn't all that drastic or binary. My arm is me. If it gets severed, it is no longer me. For disabled people, their wheelchairs and prosthetics are very much a part of *them*. If I have a cancerous growth, it's *me* but not really, because I don't want it to be me, and it's genetic code isn't exactly me. The only *you* that matters is the physical brain, just as the only *your computer* that matters is the physical location of 0s and 1s that store your files and settings and make your computer yours.
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October 02, 2012, 12:22:22 PM
#50
Having never read the bible, I googled Jesus's stance on reincarnation and found this: http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen3.html
I haven't read all of it either but it is interesting.

Did Jesus ever say reincarnation doesn't exist? The above seems to imply that he acknowledges it in an indirect way.
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