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I just do not understand the lack of a receipt or proof of shipping an item... especially gold. If you did not pay for shipping then you had a prepaid label? You can not walk into USPS/UPS/FedEx and be like "Amazon said mail this...thanks bye".

Finally, someone that can see the picture in this shit, LOL.

Plus, i found something similar to my problem and surprise who iss the negative part?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/turtlehurricane-ripped-me-for-1000-resolved-854105

@turtle - Surely you at least got a tracking number when you sent the coins back, correct? If not then how would you have handled a dispute with Amazon that the coins did not arrive? Also if not then what exact service did you get when you sent the coins back?

Show me proof the coin was sent back and i will stop everything, if not you owe me 1300 (price of the coin) x 0.65 = $845. PERIOD
I never said that the codes are fraudlent. With that guy the problem was his account, it was a new account he tried to load $2000 and he got his account locked by amazon. I resolved the issue with my 2 codes and paid him back. IT was other situation.

For our deal the conclusion is next and the way to resolve it is very simple:

I gave you 3x500 codes, you used 1300 to buy Eagle gold coin, problems appear, you resolve it, coin arrived, problems again appeared.
   - I accept this

Than you said to resolve the last problem i need to send the coin back and i kindly ask you to show me proof that it was sent back, than is when you sent prt sc with the e-mails (that doesn't show you sent the coins back) and than i know that you didn't sent the coin back. That is when i lost my trust in you and i start to think you scam me.

Now after all this happen you should simply show the proof that you sent the coin back and i was the sucker in all this story, but it end that you are the scammer here.

I did expect this from you and i wanted to ended before this happen, but i was to stupid, listening to your requests and my guy requests and i said, what the hell, one more time and i'm done. Indeed i'm done with you but with a lost of $845.

The community, still not believe this and don't want to see the proofs, outside quickseller that is objective, i would say "very" objective, but the english grammar will not take it. LOL, the rest are seeing a hero member accusing a newbie. Problem is i'm newbie here, but not a newbie at all.

IN EVERY COUNTRY FROM THIS WORLD IS NOT POSSIBLE TO SEND VALUE IN ENVELOPE WITHOUT A RECEIPT.

http://s11.postimg.org/xafkohnm7/image.jpg

Showing that i respect my word and my business partners when shit can happen. Also having my user id showed here, from LBC, you can check my feedback for over 200+ transaction with 70 people.

https://blockchain.info/tx/d5287049c466f62fd9092c030f7ca40fec5dad3e0c0c2e7464f6a6d38c27b172

favdesu, this matter here is about, that turtle keep the coin, that he obtain from that "fraudlent" codes and that he didn't pay my share. If he sent the proof that the coin was returned, it was no problem, i would never open nothing against him.

How can i call amazon and ask them, look did a guy zachary...blablabla, return the coin to you?

Quick questions for you guys:

1. If i buy one item on ebay, paying with ebay gift cards, the item is shipped and received, means the seller of the item got the payment. In the mean time, the cards value are canceled, but i already got the item. Now the question, to whom i return the "value" (item or payment???!!!)??

2. In this case, if i would send it back trough US post, there must be a tracking number and a paper, PHYSICAL PAPER, showing that i sent something trough them. Am i right?

Amazon will show that an item as returned, you should be able to prove that. Amazon does not just accept a return without giving you some sort of proof they received it.

This is why I never buy discounted gift codes!

I think turtle needs to provide some kind of evidence that he actually returned the coins. Right now he has acknowledged that he received the coins but claims to have returned them. He has also claimed that keeping the coins would have resulted in him having to pay an additional $200, and while I have no way of verifying this one way or another, it is not something that I believe.

I also do not see where DjVoodo had admitted that the gift cards were fraudulent, he says that if one was fraudulent then they all would have been because the source of the cards was the same in all cases.

The fact that there is a claim that the terms of a trade were changed after the fact for one of the first trades from a long time ago is very concerning.

what I don't get is why DjVoodo doesn't ask Amazon for a clarification on said fraudulent codes? first thing I would do as a seller...

it doesn't really matter how your customer used the cards, if they're fraudulent it's his business to deal with consequences.

Best solution would be to ask a trusted escrow to investigate and ask amazon for a statement on the codes.

The agreement was like this:
I give him 1500 in amazon codes, that means 3x500, he redeem the cards, order the gold coin, receive it, sell it and ONLY than i will get my btc.

This agreement worked for over 10 coins (i really don't know exactly, because we did sometime twice a week this, sometimes once per week, for the last 2 months). The amazon cards always came from same guy, so if one is fraudulent, than all was, in  this case turtle should be in jail for at least 1 month now.
The rate was like this .65 for me .35 for him. We start doing this at .75 for me but when first order came, he change the agreement at .70 with my btc at him, so i couldn't disagree, because he was paying me that anyway, and before second he do it .65. Now i was selling amazon on lbc on .70, but because i have honor and i like to keep my old connections (we worked before on ppmc codes), i lower the rate at .65. So his rate was under the LBC rate. IF you want on LBC to find the high rate ok, but behind the scene on LBC there are other rates, because they allow trusted user service and the listings are hidden from the rest of the users. He knows very well my rate on lbc, because i gave him acces to my account when he help me there.

And as quickseller said above, if he got the coin, he must pay per agreement, because all the steps have been fulfill.

The other thing that i didn't pay attention because i didn't want. Amazon will never ask compensation, i did check this, so there is no $200 fee penalty. In the worst case they close your account and do legal steps against you..


So MR. Zachary Gruskin, you did subestimate my intelligence, based on my kindness and that i always tried to work with you lowering my rate, but all this turn against you and this forum now knows what dickhead you are now.


It was so simple to not get this headache by sending proof that the coin or payment was returned and all this never exist. But as you keep the coin for you and didn't want to pay me, you will get this shit all over.

As i said, he got the coin and he keep the money. There is no proof that he sent it back. This means that he is to greedy and he will scam you at the first chance that will have, outside that will always re-negotiate the rate in his favor, doesn't matter if you are some old business partner. This guy is just another junk in this world and i'm very sorry that i worked so long with him, because i was 100% that this will end bad for me one day.
I had the feeling before giving him the last amazon codes, but i said, c'mon the world is not so bad as you think, but it is.
The world will fuck you at first sign of weakness, LOL.

The date on the receipts you posted is August 4, 2015 and the date on the email from Amazon is August 5 with a timestamp of ~3 AM. Why do you think someone was so willing to buy an AGC with cash in order to pay a $150 premium when they could have sent a WU payment or made a cash deposit and paid a ~$20 premium at the most (that would be ~10%)? I honestly think the premium you were charging and the time between the date on the receipt and the time they were redeemed means that you knew very well what was going on with the AGC.
I don't entirely disagree with this statement, although to be fair to your trading partner, I think you should cite this law.
What exactly was the agreement. I wouldn't think there would be a specific clause regarding fraudulent cards, although the agreement may have included other terms that may show one of you being in the wrong/right

And how long would LBC hold the gift cards in escrow for you to potentially receive this email?
I think you knew the source of the gift cards when you redeemed them. I also think that if you were able to receive some kind of value from the gift cards then you owe him the BTC that you promised, this is regardless of if the cards were fraudulent.
I think the first part is speculation. I think you should cite a specific law regarding the second part. Congratulations on the 3rd part.
Maybe next time you should use escrow. But you do not accept escrow on the forum because the escrows are anon....so you instead insist on your trading partners they send first while you stay anon

In this case you are lucky the Bitcoins were not released. I personally have received fraudulent gift cards before and its a huge pain in the butt and a process. Luckily you were not scammed out of the Bitcoins!

What was the agreement specifically? Under what conditions would he give you the 3.75BTC?

I understand that he had acknowledged that he received the gold coin, however I also acknowledge that there may be risks to keeping some kind of product after paying for such product with a fraudulent gift card (assuming it is true that the gift card is in fact fraudulent).

I am not familiar with the accounting system at Amazon nor am I familiar with how merchants are paid. I would assume that it would be something along the lines of that amazon advises the merchants that they are okay to sent a product at a certain point and would guarantee payment at that time. Also that if amazon needs to process a refund/return then the merchant would not receive such payment.

I would acknowledge that the merchant was at one point paid, however the question remains if they have still been paid. The question also remains if turtle is able to document the fact that he in fact returned the gold coin. I would also question the "$200 markup" that turtle is claiming he would have had to have paid if he kept the coin, this really does not make sense to me.

I would also like to question turtle (again) as to what exactly he was expecting when he was agreeing to sell his bitcoin at a ~$150 premium above the market rate when he was receiving gift cards that were supposedly purchased in cash very recently....

This whole thing is giving me a headache lol. As a third party person, I would be happy to investigate on behalf of both members to find out what actually happened.

Yes that happen on LBC and when the guy provide enough proof showing it was invalid, i sent him back the coins, FROM MY WALLET, LBC wallet was 0 AND I CAN SHOW THAT. So if i wanted i could close the wallet and not send back to that user almost $700, and yes you help me in that matter.
I didn't denied that is possible for amazon to send you that e-mails.

I WANT THE PROOF YOU SENT THE COIN BACK, that cannot be done, i explained in my posts above, why, this means that you must sent the cash back to amazon and doing it by US post, that is absolutely NOT POSSIBLE.

luciann, i never gave him carded cards, and he know that very well. You cn check the picture HE uploaded and see that are cash, also if you want you can call the store and verify the receipt.

Yes, i deny, because from same guy we bought over 10 coins without any problem, this means over 15k in amazon codes.
And he knows very well this, the problem is i clean my inbox with the texts showing this and showing how he ask for more codes from my guy. This was my fault. Until than the problem is not in my affirmations, it is in his affirmations, that re not the same from 1 hour to another.

Guys read again top to bottom his posts.
Maybe i'm not a hero member here, but at least i don't lie and i don't play the victim role.
When i open this i knew that i lost my money forever, but at least i knew that i will teach some other newbies to not deal again with this scam.

Our agreement, is our history for the last 6 months we did business together, always with hassle, but we did over 50k in business, all together.

I post in my first reply the turtle... text messages print screens to me, showing he received the coin by his affirmation, plus, quickseller, how can be ubsustantiated, if he is saying that the coin was sent back? LOL. Clearly he had the coin in hands, this means, the merchant got paid, so the problem was at amazon, because in this story, in the end, amazon got screwed by what turtle is saying. 3.75 btc at 250 that was the btc 2 weeks ago, if not higher, means aprox 975, that is .65 from 500 amazon card.

The cards have been paid cash 100%, receipts are showing that, pictures being HD, can be verified at the store.

Now, how can you send something, with big value without a receipt? I think someone is not seeing the big picture here. Don't you see that his words don't connect, if you will follow all the posts plus the print screens i took to his texts? HE is saying to me and to first posts here, that the coins was sent back to amazon, now was sent to merchant. LOL

Talk about some luck on your account not being permentantly suspended or anything..

Cause that real hassle would start, esp when you want to purchase stuff in the future.

But yeah, if the funds are fronzen less then that he prob got a carded card. In the future though, its better to just buy a smaller amount to see if the suppliers cards dont go bad and measure your risk.